IRS vs. KUGLIN

The Sierra Times ^ | Carl F. Worden

[Judith Anne]

I saw this story on Fox News. The pilot worked for FedEx. She was a pleasant looking woman who smiled a whole lot and let her attorney do most of the talking. He was smiling a lot, too.

[A.A. Cunningham]

Kuglin

[Pikachu_Dad]

Since when does the IRS try its cases in regular courts? I thought they had a special IRS tax court that they heard these things in.

[lvmyfrdm]

It was on Hannity and Colmes about 3 evenings ago. Greta is suppose to interview the lawyer but the date isn't set yet.
Poor judge admitted that he didn't know what an excise tax is.
IRS couldn't provide a law that required her to file.
OH MY

[thoughtomator]

I'd be smiling a lot too if I just won that case!

[lainie]

They charged her with a "crime" but couldn't/didn't produce an actual broken law. She said show me where I'm liable for this code and they said pay or go to jail.

And all Hannity could say was "you're not paying your fair share." As many freepers say, every time a thread like this pops up.

[lvmyfrdm]

Since when does the IRS try its cases in regular courts? I thought they had a special IRS tax court that they heard these things in.

Tax court is an arm of the IRS, why would you cry wolf to the wolf? If you look up the tax court cases they are always settled in the favor of government. I have not found one that found the government in error. People are beginning to understand they have better results with a district court.

[Clinging Bitterly]

I think the "IRS Reform" legislation passed a very few years ago chaged some of that. One of the changes was, in effect, if the IRS claims you owe money, they have to prove it. What a concept.

Well this thread is about to get locked or pulled - as was pointed out above, there are two or three other threads with this same story.

Dave in Eugene

[Beck_isright]

"Since when does the IRS try its cases in regular courts? I thought they had a special IRS tax court that they heard these things in."

This was a criminal trial. IRS court is civil.

[lvmyfrdm]

"you're not paying your fair share."

If I could have climbed into the TV, Colmes would have had to pull me off of Sean. I could not believe it, he sounded like a socialist to the core. He totally missed the fact that the government could not "Show here the law
that made her liable" and ignored her questions since 1995.

Really changed my opinion of Sean. He evidently believes that any act of terrorism carried out by the IRS is fine to pay for the roads, even if the IRS operates outside the law. Wonder if he would care how the roads where being paid for if he was sure he didn't owe a debt and the debt collector came for him.

[Normal4me]

Log for the fire

[sinkspur]

Kuglin doesn't go to jail, but, according the court, she still owes the taxes, plus penalties.

She won her freedom. What else, exactly, did she win? She's likely to go bankrupt paying these taxes.

[lvmyfrdm]

They didn't prove that she was liable, how could she still own a tax. That would be an amazing feat. They may try to collect a tax, the IRS has no shame in what they will do to collect revenue.

[Normal4me]

"Murphy is reported to have demanded that the judge order Kuglin to file her forms, pay her taxes and "obey the law".

This wasn't a court order.

[sinkspur]

They didn't prove that she was liable, how could she still own a tax.

She still owes the taxes. She has no criminal liability for refusing to pay taxes, but she still owes the taxes (and, likely) the penalties as well.

[zchip]

Good point sinkspur. Few others have made it. Kuglin was found not guilty of income tax evasion. The truth is out there that the IRS cannot come up with a justification because there simply is none.

The IRS (US Government) will destroy her financially if she does not remit all past taxes and penalties. Because they can. They will. And there isn't a court in the world that can stop them.

[lainie]

Amen to that. My opinion of Sean is completely changed now. I can suddenly see him differently, as if a spotlight is shining on him.

Not only did he miss that fact as you said, but imo it is HE who is not "paying his fair share" in holding the government to its obligations under the law in answering any and all questions of We The People. He *is* a professional "mainstream" journalist, last time I checked.

p.s. Just to have one more thing to be ticked off at him about -- fuel taxes pay for road upkeep, not federal income taxes.

[lvmyfrdm]

Here is your 16th Amendment Income tax.
Read it and weep.. Volunteers.


U.S. Constitution: Sixteenth Amendment
Sixteenth Amendment - Income Tax


Amendment Text | Annotations
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

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Annotations

Income Tax
History and Purpose of the Amendment
Income Subject to Taxation
Corporate Dividends: When Taxable
Corporate Earnings: When Taxable
Gains: When Taxable
Income from Illicit Transactions
Deductions and Exemptions
Diminution of Loss

We are so smart we are stupid.

http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/constitution/amendment16/

[lainie]

She doesn't "owe the taxes;" it is undetermined. The criminal liability is gone for those tax years and it now all becomes administrative. I suppose in theory they could take her to court every year for the rest of her life for 'willful failure to file' but they don't typically do that.