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Conservatives also buy big government
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | August 19, 2003 | Jim Wooten

Posted on 08/19/2003 2:26:35 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Somewhere between Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, conservatives may have lost the battle against big government.

Oddly enough, as the partisan differences grow sharper, the practical differences between the two major parties grows fuzzier, at least on domestic issues. Fred Barnes, executive editor of The Weekly Standard, describes Bush as a "big-government conservative."

The president has shown no discomfort with big government or increasing federal spending. In his first two years in office, Bush increased spending on schools by 40 percent. He's proposed a prescription drug benefit for Medicare that will cost $400 billion over 10 years. On both education and prescription drugs, Bush's top Democratic ally has been the icon of congressional liberalism, U.S. Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.).

While they acknowledge the reality of big government, Bush and Kennedy veer sharply from a common start. The No Child Left Behind Act is a good example. Some background:

Public schools are a responsibility of state and local government. The federal government contributes only about 7 cents on the dollar. It has concentrated its efforts on the heavy-burden exceptions: special education, the poor, and aid to local systems disproportionately affected by military bases. The point is that the federal government has rightly deferred to states and to local school boards to drive education.

Since 1965, the federal government has spent more than $120 billion on schools serving the poor with little to show for it. Bush, in seeking reauthorization two years ago, agreed to increase spending by 11.5 percent, including $9.1 billion for poor schools, a sum that is up to $12.3 billion in the 2004 budget, the most federal dollars ever.

Kennedy, who welcomed the spending, sees No Child Left Behind as a massive new infusion of federal money. He wants more. "Reform without resources is just hollow talk," he said. "The president's proposal may provide the money to test our children, but not enough to teach them."

Kennedy, starting with big government, finishes with bigger government. Bush, starting with big government, finishes with a distinctly different government -- not smaller, but decentralized.

Bush's education secretary, Rod Paige, argued that accountability requirements would provide essential information to parents, leading them to demand alternatives. Conservatives saw it as more unwarranted federal spending and without reforms, such as vouchers, dropped at Kennedy's behest.

Two years later, it's obvious that Paige was right. The federal government, taking a page from the liberals' book, has become the driving force in pushing states to embrace choice and to give parents more freedom in where they send their children. The direction is set, and No Child Left Behind has done it.

Americans have grown comfortable with big government, a legacy of the 1960s. As a culture, we have bought into the notion that adults can be as irresponsible as they choose in lifestyle decisions and government will construct a safety net to catch their consequences. In some cases, it's not irresponsibility; it is that adults have changed behaviors to conform to government incentives. In Georgia, for example, 73 percent of undergraduate students receive state grants, giving parents incentives to spend the money their parents saved for the children's college. Government has built a dependency and, since 25 percent of the nation's taxpayers pay 84 percent of the cost of government, there's no incentive to go back.

Bush grows government, but activates it for conservative ends, just as the Great Society programs of the 1960s did for liberals. Roles now are reversed. Conservatives push for change; liberals defend the status quo.

Liberals scoff at programs such as those promoting marriage or encouraging teen abstinence as foolish conservative activism by government. Maybe. But when was the last time you saw somebody smoking on television? No one thing works. But if liberal activism used government as a vehicle to drive society in one direction, conservative activism can use it to take society in another.

Jim Wooten is associate editorial page editor. His column appears Tuesdays, Fridays and Sundays.


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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The basic infrastructure of large gov't is here to stay, with only tinkering at the margins being politically acceptable.Your choices are Dems who will tax and spend, or Pubbies who will tax cut and spend, with some tweaking thrown into the equation.Wooten and his ilk ought to stop moaning about this fact, which has been a reality since Jimmy Carter's day, and find ways to ameliorate it's effects in a politically feasible manner.
21 posted on 08/19/2003 6:29:57 AM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Yes, ideas do matter but if no one is listening you can't lead.

Isn't that one facet of leadership...getting people to listen? Otherwise one is just a simple minded caretaker, a follower. Bush is clearly not simple minded.

You can tilt at windmills or you can get down in the ditch and get dirty.

I take it you do not agree that Bush's words and deeds suggest he believes bigger, more powerful, more intrusive government in several areas (education, farm, medicare....) is a good thing. How come? Getting in that ditch is not doing our country much good at home, the tax cuts excepted.

For some reason, the Bush defenders simply refuse to acknowledge that certain actions are not conservative. They seem happier with axioms, anecdotes and platitudes and analogies. At best they may say 'I don't agree with everything....' without much in specifics.

How can we ever get to where we want, assuming we want smaller, less intrusive, less costly, Constitutional government, if we refuse to clearly identify and criticize certain actions that lead in the entirely opposite direction?

22 posted on 08/19/2003 6:31:51 AM PDT by RJCogburn ("I want a man with grit."..................Mattie Ross of near Dardenelle in Yell County)
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To: from occupied ga; Cincinatus' Wife
Additional comments here.

Also, Wooten certainly does have a different take on "conservative" big government spending than other articles have taken on the topic.

In other words, is decentralizing big government bureaucracy while resourcing big government mandates (especially if those mandates promote a conservative approach to social issues such as education and faith-based initiatives to combat welfare) anti-conservative?

23 posted on 08/19/2003 6:35:49 AM PDT by optimistically_conservative (Can't prove a negative? You're not stupid. Prove it!)
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To: optimistically_conservative
Thanks for the LINK. I usually catch myself from double posting.

Bump!

24 posted on 08/19/2003 6:59:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: habs4ever
Wooten and his ilk ought to stop moaning about this fact, which has been a reality since Jimmy Carter's day, and find ways to ameliorate it's effects in a politically feasible manner.

I believe they're doing just that.

25 posted on 08/19/2003 7:00:19 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: RJCogburn
It would seem we've read different articles. I see Bush doing what you're suggesting. you don't.
26 posted on 08/19/2003 7:01:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: from occupied ga
NO, CONSERVATIVES are not into more government. Republicans are.

BUMP!

27 posted on 08/19/2003 7:05:48 AM PDT by StriperSniper (Make South Korea an island)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The bigger that government gets, the more important it is to keep the Democrats out of control.

If Bush, who is a moderate, lost the popular vote in 2000, then a Conservative would have lost in a landslide.

There is no such thing as a True Conservative.

28 posted on 08/19/2003 7:09:47 AM PDT by Consort
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...and, small Government is an ideal; big government is the real. There ain't no small government and you will never see one in your lifetime. In the meantime, whether the governemnt is big, small, or in between, we have to make sure that the Democrats do not control any of it. And, no, the parties are not the same; and anyone running against a Democrat has earned your vote; and don't let your principles, morals, or conscience get in the way of common sense. It's not just about you.
29 posted on 08/19/2003 7:12:52 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Consort
You, for one, don't appear to have let principles, morals, or conscience get in your way of supporting Republicans, regardless of the positions they take. I, for one, am not giving up on small government, because therein lies more freedom (a principle, and an important one). My battle is not against Democrats as such. If there are any Dims who respect the constitutional limits of the federal government and seek to reduce the size of government, I'll support them. Of course, I don't know of any Dims who fit this description. I don't have a battle with the Republicans, either. Unlike the Dims, I do find a few Republicans who seem to be willing to refrain from "federalizing" everything in sight and buying votes with my money. They seem to be in the minority, however. I support conservatives, of whatever stripe they may be. If they are not for smaller government, I don't support them, regardless of party identification. (I don't blindly support any party.)

No doubt there were those in this country who opposed the American revolution, urging our founding fathers not to "let your principles, morals, or conscience get in the way of common sense." I am glad such naysayers did not carry the day.
30 posted on 08/19/2003 7:55:29 AM PDT by reelfoot
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To: reelfoot
You, for one, don't appear to have let...

My statement still applies, regardless.

I, for one, am not giving up on small government, because therein lies more freedom (a principle, and an important one).

Which of the major parties is more likely to shrink government over the long run?

My battle is not against Democrats as such. If there are any Dims who respect the constitutional limits of the federal government and seek to reduce the size of government, I'll support them.

Then you are part of the problem. Electing such Democrats gives the whole Democrat Party more power and they will ignore what the Conservative Democrats have to say. The Liberals like your attitude.

Of course, I don't know of any Dims who fit this description.

Yes, but you are vulnerable.

No doubt there were those in this country who opposed the American revolution,...

There are plenty of people against everything. That's the way it is.

31 posted on 08/19/2003 8:11:20 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Consort
"My statement still applies, regardless."

Res ipsa loquitur.

"Which of the major parties is more likely to shrink government over the long run?"

Based upon the run-away spending of the current President and congress, I would have to say "Neither."

"The Liberals like your attitude."

I suspect, rather, the liberals like someone who will blindly vote for constitution-ignoring, big-spending politicians merely because of being enamored of a party name.

"Yes, but you are vulnerable."

I am not vulnerable to voting for big spenders. You apparently are.

"That's the way it is."

Therein is the problem.
32 posted on 08/19/2003 9:15:15 AM PDT by reelfoot
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To: reelfoot
It all boils down to sex, drugs, and rock and roll. If you're the type to worry about what somebody's up to with their genitalia, you vote Rebpublican, if not, you vote Democrat.
33 posted on 08/19/2003 9:20:16 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: reelfoot
Weak...you lose.
34 posted on 08/19/2003 9:20:43 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Wooten is a liberal? Dig up the archives of his columns and I doubt anyone could say that with a straight face. I doubt anyone could call him a moderate with a straight face. He was the editorial page editor of the Atlanta Journal, the old afternoon paper in Atlanta, before it folded, and the Journal's editorial page was quite to the right. Cox Newspapers covered both sides in Atlanta in those days, the Journal was conservative and the Constitution, just as now, is quite liberal.

Is he a Freeper-like true conservative? Probably not, but neither is most of the U.S. Confidentially, just in case it hasn't dawned on everyone here, people who believe like us are in the minority in this country. And that's remained true in every year in which "conservatism" has won victories ... 1980, 84, 94, 00, 02.

It's won those victories and nothing has really changed, and we get all hot and bothered and rant and rave, when IMHO the simple fact is that there is no great desire among the American electorate ... even those who voted with "us" ... to totally undo the New Deal and Great Society and go completely back to "true conservatism" or "rugged individualism" or whatever you want to call it.

I've mentioned my father here many times, rest his soul. He voted Republican/conservative for the last quarter century of his life (and he didn't die as an old man, was 61) and he utterly REVERED Ronald Reagan ... but at the same time he cast those votes he was an unrepentant New Dealer who wanted every bit of federal largesse that was coming his way, a union man to his very core and he rejoiced in every federal court decision designed to make things fair for "the little man."

And I daresay that disconnect between how people vote and what they believe is not uncommon in this country. Or we can delude ourselves and think that everybody in those Dem strongholds that voted for Reagan in '84 was doing it because they wanted to take the country back to true conservatism. No, it was a personal victory for Reagan without a thing to do with philosophy ... and I fear Bush will be re-elected for the same reason next year and there'll be a whole bunch more people here disappointed with him.

So what do we do, give up and move to the hills? No, we have two choices ... (a.) take this country back to true conservatism through armed revolt and revolution or (b.) keep plugging away and try to educate people and sell them on why true conservatism is best and right, even if it takes 500 years.

I rather prefer option B.

35 posted on 08/19/2003 11:08:33 AM PDT by GB
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To: Consort
I see you deal with facts.

Bump!

36 posted on 08/19/2003 12:14:55 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: reelfoot
I'd like our forefathers to return and add their two cents to the discussion. It is interesting how everyone speaks for them. This is not the same country it was then. I would like to hear their take on current events.
37 posted on 08/19/2003 12:18:04 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: GB
I rather prefer option B.

Me too. Option A will always be there.

38 posted on 08/19/2003 12:19:24 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"So much of our infrastructure and national defenses had been left to rot (including education}."

Please. Throwing more money at the failing school infrastructure in a big fat Teddy Kennedy spend-fest is not going to solve the problem and that's just what Bush did. Bush is doing a good job in the international arena, but domestically, he is not a conservative. The GOP controls the big three branches of the FedGov there has been little in terms of conservative initiatives.

39 posted on 08/19/2003 12:29:23 PM PDT by jjm2111
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To: jjm2111
Again, give Bush real majorities then complain about what is or isn't getting done. You don't cut someone off at the knees and then compain that he hasn't signed up for the broad jump.
40 posted on 08/19/2003 12:39:05 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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