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ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church)Assembly Considers "Listening Posts" for Gay, Lesbian People
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Posted on 08/19/2003 4:52:51 PM PDT by chance33_98

August 17, 2003

ELCA Assembly Considers "Listening Posts" for Gay, Lesbian People 03-CWA-51-MR

MILWAUKEE (ELCA) -- The 2003 Churchwide Assembly of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) considered a motion designed to encourage the 5 million-member church to organize "listening posts" for the purpose of hearing the experiences of Lutherans who are gay and lesbian. The assembly voted to refer the motion to the Task Force for ELCA Studies on Sexuality as "information."

The churchwide assembly, the chief legislative authority of the ELCA, is meeting here Aug. 11-17 at the Midwest Airlines Center. There are about 2,100 people participating, including 1,031 ELCA voting members. The theme for the biennial assembly is "Making Christ Known: For the Healing of the World."

Sally Young, Waterloo, Iowa, a member of the ELCA Church Council, presented the motion to the assembly along with a recommendation that the motion be referred "as information" to the task force. The recommendation came from the council's Committee of Reference and Counsel, which Young chairs. The Church Council is the ELCA's board of directors and serves as the legislative authority of the church between churchwide assemblies.

Allison A. Guttu, voting member, ELCA Metropolitan New York Synod, who submitted the motion to the committee, asked the assembly to substitute her motion for the committee's recommendation.

With a vote of 386 to 586, the assembly declined to substitute Guttu's motion for the committee's recommendation, and then voted 834 to 136 to accept that recommendation.

In her motion, Guttu wrote that the purpose of the listening posts is "to provide opportunities for conversations with gay and lesbian Lutherans, not to debate homosexuality, ordination or same-gender blessings." Such listening events would be conducted at each of the ELCA's 65 synods in 2004 and 2005 and at the 2005 ELCA Churchwide Assembly.

The 2001 ELCA Churchwide Assembly took three actions to call the ELCA into a process of study on homosexuality. That assembly called for a progress report on the studies to the 2003 assembly; a final report with recommendations to be presented to the 2005 Churchwide Assembly; and, asked the ELCA Division for Church in Society to prepare a social statement on human sexuality.

Current ELCA policy expects ministers to refrain from all sexual relations outside marriage. Since the church has no official policy on blessing same-gender relationships, this precludes homosexuals in relationships from ordained ministry. The ELCA Conference of Bishops, an advisory body of the church, stated it does not approve of such ceremonies.

To oversee the church's studies on sexuality, a task force was assembled by the ELCA Division for Ministry and Division for Church in Society in May 2002. The task force assists the divisions in developing study materials, recommendations and proposals regarding the assembly mandates.

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Information about the 2003 ELCA Churchwide Assembly can be found at www.elca.org/assembly/03 on the Web.

For information contact: John Brooks, Director (773) 380-2958 or news@elca.org http://www.elca.org/news


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: elca; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; lutheran; lutherans; ministry

1 posted on 08/19/2003 4:52:51 PM PDT by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
INTREP
2 posted on 08/19/2003 4:56:53 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: chance33_98
Designed to increase influence of homo agenda by wearing down opposition and winning over undecideds.

Gays will not be just 'talking'. They will be methodically carrying out a defined plan to advance homo agenda.

The only way to stop this is to say NO to all gay propaganda in the Church.
3 posted on 08/19/2003 4:59:17 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: chance33_98
Well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Why don't they also set up a listening post for gays to hear people tell their side of the story, and how, and why they feel about them (gays)?
4 posted on 08/19/2003 5:00:41 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
The war was never fought in ELCA or the Episcopal Church, so it was lost early on. Other denominations are following the lavender trend, with the secular media cheering them on.
5 posted on 08/19/2003 5:02:15 PM PDT by sine_nomine (Join the ELCA and I will make thee a fisher of boys.)
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To: LiteKeeper
http://www.wfn.org/

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6 posted on 08/19/2003 5:09:54 PM PDT by chance33_98 (WWJD - What would Jefferson Do?)
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To: chance33_98
Fortunately, the headline of this article says "ELCA" and not just "Lutherans." Do not confuse the ELCA with Lutheranism.
7 posted on 08/19/2003 5:10:04 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Pastor, Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod [LCMS])
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To: At _War_With_Liberals; LiteKeeper
Also from there:

ELCA NEWS SERVICE August 16, 2003 Former Presiding Bishop Says Time Has Arrived For Policy Change 03-CWA-47-JB

MILWAUKEE (ELCA) -- About 150 people attended a "Festival Worship" service Aug. 15 here, led and attended by people who want the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) to be more welcoming to people who are gay and lesbian, and want the church to change its expectations for ordained pastors. The sermon was preached by the Rev. Herbert W. Chilstrom, a former ELCA presiding bishop.

The worship service, held here at St. James Episcopal Church, was sponsored by Lutherans Concerned/North America, a gay and lesbian rights advocacy organization. The service was held in conjunction with the 2003 ELCA Churchwide Assembly.

The churchwide assembly, the chief legislative authority of the ELCA, is meeting here Aug. 11-17 at the Midwest Airlines Center. There are about 2,100 people participating, including 1,031 ELCA voting members. The theme for the biennial assembly is "Making Christ Known: For the Healing of the World."

In the ELCA, people who are gay or lesbian may serve as ordained pastors, but they are expected to refrain from homosexual sexual relationships. The church has no official policy on the blessing of same-sex relationships; however, its Conference of Bishops has advised the church that it does not approve of such ceremonies. The conference has an advisory status within the church, not legislative authority.

The ELCA is presently undertaking a four-year study process exploring questions about the ordained ministry and whether people in committed homosexual relationships should be ordained, and whether the church should have an official policy on blessing same-sex relationships.

In his sermon, Chilstrom reflected on the meaning of tradition, and spoke about instances in the Christian Bible where traditions were challenged and in some cases, changed. He cited examples from the books of Corinthians, Deuteronomy, Luke and Acts.

"All are examples of how the word of the gospel breaks down honored traditions that get in its way," Chilstrom said.

The time is now for change in ELCA clergy policies, he said, to allow for those who are in committed homosexual relationships to serve as ordained pastors. In his sermon, Chilstrom spoke about about how he has changed his mind about the issue over time.

"Yes, the time has come," he said. "In fact, it is long, long overdue. I regret that it took so painstakingly long to make that change."

In his sermon, Chilstrom referenced a story in Acts 10, a story which is "really about the conversion of Peter," he said. In that story, God gives Peter a vision, which he resists, an example of how change is difficult, he said.

"I'm like Peter," Chilstrom said. "But I'm thankful God never gave up on me. For me, the "visions" were real human beings, sincere and beautiful daughters and sons of God who share my faith and deserve to share all my privileges."

Every morning, Chilstrom said he and his wife, the Rev. Corrine Chilstrom, pray that their friends who are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered, will enjoy the same rights and privileges they have.

"It takes time," Chilstrom said. "I know that from my own slow change of mind. But we must have confidence that the powerful word of the gospel will prevail in the end, because that word is a word of freedom and hope."

Worship leaders were Anita Hill, St. Paul, Minn., and Jeff Johnson, Berkeley, Calif., whose ordinations are not recognized by the ELCA because they are not in compliance with ELCA clergy standards.

Among those attending the service were some ELCA pastors, bishops and churchwide staff, as well as representatives of The Lutheran Alliance for Full Participation, encompassing five gay and lesbian advocacy organizations. They are the Extraordinary Candidacy Project, Lutherans Concerned/North America, Lutheran Lesbian and Gay Ministries, Lutheran Network for Inclusive Vision and Wingspan Ministries.

-- -- -- Information about the 2003 ELCA Churchwide Assembly can be found at http://www.elca.org/assembly/03 on the Web.

8 posted on 08/19/2003 5:13:28 PM PDT by chance33_98 (WWJD - What would Jefferson Do?)
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To: Charles Henrickson
Thanks for clarifying that, pastor. By the way, how IS our LCMS responding to the latest homosexual inroads into the Episocpal church and the "full pulpit" bretheren, ELCA? How are the forces at work in our synod who want to merge with ELCA handling this latest twist? I'm proud to say that my pastor had a full page article in our Sunday bulletin on "Apostasy", and a thundering good sermon on the topic, too.
9 posted on 08/19/2003 5:18:49 PM PDT by egarvue (Martin Sheen is not my president...)
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To: Charles Henrickson
Only 7 posts before the ELCA gets slammed.

Usually it's within 4.
10 posted on 08/19/2003 5:19:36 PM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (a 'true conservative' would rather keep Davis than elect Arnold just so they can say 'I told you so')
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Only 7 posts before the ELCA gets slammed. Usually it's within 4.

Many of the ELCA's official pronouncements and decisions are in need of slamming! However, to be fair, let me hasten to add that there are still many faithful pastors, congregations, and laypeople left in the ELCA.

11 posted on 08/19/2003 5:38:17 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Started out in the Augustana Synod, one of the ELCA's predecessor bodies.)
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To: sine_nomine
The war was never fought in ELCA or the Episcopal Church

You do a major disservice to quite a number of (current and former) Episcopalians.

The war was fought, and at times quite bitterly (but being Episcopalians, we/they were also rather polite about it). It went on a long time, at least three and half decades from onset to now, and mostly without the kind of public uproar that the press loves, so that those on the outside were not likely to know.

12 posted on 08/19/2003 5:44:39 PM PDT by Eala (When politicians speak of children, count the spoons. - National Review Editors)
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To: sine_nomine
I remember all too well going to Episcopal dioscesan conventions in 1998 and 1999 when all that was talked about was having "listening days" for straights to listen to, and "dialogue" with, gays, meaning shut up and be told how it's going to be in the future. Well, I guess we got told in Minneapolis, didn't we? You people in the ELCA had better stop this now while you still can; time is short.
13 posted on 08/19/2003 5:47:43 PM PDT by beelzepug (incessantly yapping for change)
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To: egarvue
By the way, how IS our LCMS responding to the latest homosexual inroads into the Episocpal church and the "full pulpit" bretheren, ELCA?

This is one on which there is not much disagreement in the Missouri Synod. Even our synodical president--whom I vigorously oppose on many issues--gets this one right:

Kieschnick "saddened" after Episcopal Church OKs first gay bishop

Kieschnick addresses ELCA assembly

14 posted on 08/19/2003 5:53:20 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (No pro-homosexuality movement in the LCMS.)
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To: chance33_98
What the hell is going on with churches and faggots. Have they all lost their minds? How can churches which are supposed to be places of family values even consider these fudge packers and Muff divers and their agenda? Geez if Jesus hadnt risen he would be rolling in his grave.
15 posted on 08/19/2003 5:57:21 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Only 7 posts before the ELCA gets slammed.

BTW, mine was not the first or only post on this thread to "slam" the ELCA. Virtually every post is doing so. It is the extremely liberal theology of the ELCA that makes liberal decisions like these inevitable.

16 posted on 08/19/2003 6:00:07 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
The ELCA ought to be slammed before #4. The gay agenda there is a done deal- they are just playing and end game to make it palatable enough that the Bible-believing contingent doesn't walk... and you can take that to the bank. What denomination did the ELCA choose to cohabit with? Why, the Episcopalians, of course! And what denomination's youth group recently officially stated a need for homosexuals in the church hierarchy? Yes, it was the good old ELCA.

The Minneapolis Mud-pounders at the top are drunk with power and have got the keys to the car- I don't think I'd care to go along for the ride.

Ex-ELCA and glad of it.

17 posted on 08/19/2003 6:45:30 PM PDT by niteowl77 (If you aren't still praying for our troops, then you had best take it up again.)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
HLL....The ELCA has not been hijacked by fruit loops...it was started by people with a very liberal agenda in 1988. Founding was not to advance Christianity but to try to normalize homosexuality through a large church. It is sickening.....The more you learn, the more you fear.

I went to a state synod meeting this year. Out of a couple thousand people, I think I was the only conservative. They bashed the war and promoted homosexuality. The literature section was all about sexuality and why we shouldn't stereotype Muslims.

Wake up...The national council and world council of churches are not about advancing Christianity either.

18 posted on 08/19/2003 7:06:37 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: chance33_98
gives the sodomites a shoulder to cry on..
the sympathetic played against the faithfull
the faithfull denegrated as callous hard hearted bigoted (the cagier sodomites will be more understanding of them as one must be of abused children) in the end...the sodomites will wear them down because they dont stand against them ..because they dont want to loose the money and their big churches and fat paychecks...
19 posted on 08/19/2003 7:09:55 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
Correction. They ARE carrying out plans for acceptance of a gay clergy and won't stop until they have succeeded in destroying the church.
20 posted on 08/19/2003 7:20:45 PM PDT by LittleBoPeep
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To: sgtbono2002
How can churches which are supposed to be places of family values even consider these fudge packers and Muff divers and their agenda?

...or drunks, or liars, or thieves, or adulterers, or...um, sinners. Nope. People like that shouldn't ever be let into churches.

"The gay agenda" is one thing, and I don't want to see it pushed any further. As for gays themselves, I'd rather see them in the churches, in the pews, where they have the chance at hearing what God wants them to hear. One or two saved that way is one or two more than have been saved by the likes of Fred Phelps.
21 posted on 08/19/2003 8:16:10 PM PDT by Foxfire4
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To: edskid
Ex-ELCA and glad of it.

We left them too. I'm glad we made the move.

22 posted on 08/19/2003 8:21:54 PM PDT by Vicki (Truth and Reality)
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