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To: new cruelty
The Ten Commandments say, "Thou shalt not steal."

And if thou stealest the products of a man's labor, thou wilt bankrupt him so that he no longer has reason to labor in that field.

Recording theft will kill music, not just music companies.
5 posted on 08/20/2003 1:02:33 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
Recording theft will kill music, not just music companies.

So no more Emenem, snoop-dog and 50 cent? I can live with that.

9 posted on 08/20/2003 1:06:09 PM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: xzins
An there's a Spanish phrase that says:

"Ladrón que roba ladrón, tiene cien años de perdón"

Translation: A thief that steals from another thief has 100 years of pardon.

When you steal from thiefs like the RIAA, it's even morally compulsory.
10 posted on 08/20/2003 1:06:12 PM PDT by El Conservador ("No blood for oil!"... Then don't drive, you moron!!!)
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To: xzins
The day the music died.
16 posted on 08/20/2003 1:14:30 PM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: xzins
Recording theft will kill music, not just music companies.

After all, there was no music before the RIAA.

21 posted on 08/20/2003 1:16:21 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: xzins
Music is already dead.

Nothing decent has been written since Rakhmanonov died in 1943, although a lot of 'people' do seem to like 'Kill the Pigs' by some sad rap group.

23 posted on 08/20/2003 1:20:38 PM PDT by Voltage
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To: xzins
Music can’t be killed but the companies can.

...And that is a good thing!


We kill the music industry, and we wipe out a HUGE contributor to the socialist democrats in this country. We also wipe out a huge negative influence on popular culture. We minimize people like Madonna, Sheryl crow, etc by wiping out the music industry. After that is accomplished we can wipe the floor with the movie industry. This would be a good thing for the same reasons.

The left continues its stranglehold on the popular culture because of the media. So we either control the media or we decimate it, and thus defund the socialists.

What’s more important, the constitution or Star Wars part 6 that’s really part 3?
26 posted on 08/20/2003 1:23:43 PM PDT by myself6
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To: xzins
Recording theft will kill music, not just music companies.

The success of Apple Music Store proves that consumers who download are primarily motivated by convenience, not theft. Apple's $1 somgs are "outselling" those free amateur rips. "Free" music bears a high price in the number of fake and virus-filled files distributed by P2P apps that cram your system with spyware.

30 posted on 08/20/2003 1:25:46 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: xzins
Recording theft will kill music, not just music companies.

There was music long before the technology to record existed, so I seriously doubt it.

40 posted on 08/20/2003 1:46:20 PM PDT by Snuffington
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To: xzins
Just this week I downloaded a copyrighted recording that I couldn't find in 4 record stores I visited last weekend (I ain't lying!) and then, if I had found it, I would have had to pay around $15 for an entire album of crap. I burned it on a CD and sent it to a friend overseas. That makes me a thief, doesn't it? Is Reverend Jim Bakker still taking confessions?
44 posted on 08/20/2003 1:51:53 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Go ahead, make my day and re-state the obvious! Again!)
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To: xzins
It may kill recorded music. More accurately, it will kill the current system of providing recorded music. Is that good, or bad? Recorded music killed live music. Was music better, or worse, when it was delivered live? Unlike the Vth, which protects real property, the patent and copyright clause provides only temporary protection for the purpose of expanding the number of works in the public domain. It is anti-Constitutional to protect works in perpetuity, or to otherwise thwart the process of adding to the public domain. If current laws are a perversion of that intent, they are neither legitimate nor are they likely to actually meet the stated goals of the patent and copyright clause. In this case, the modern notion that music == recorded music, that intellectual property == real property, and that ownership should be perpetual (but not taxed like real property) is all very foriegn to original intent. Saying that music downloads are like theft of a physical object is, in that context, dubious.
48 posted on 08/20/2003 1:53:52 PM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: xzins
xzins wrote:

Recording theft will kill music, not just music companies.

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Sorry, FRiend, I can't agree.

People will sing no matter what.
And play, and dance and stomp their feet and clap their hands simply for the joy of it if for nothing else.

Even people like me, and I can't carry a tune if it comes in a bucket! LOL!

It's how we're made.

Tia

50 posted on 08/20/2003 2:02:40 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: xzins
Recording theft will kill music, not just music companies.

No, it won't. I'll be a little arrogant and tell you why.

Real writers don't write for money. They write because they must write. Real musicians do not write or play for money. They do it because they must. The same goes for all the arts. This is how they were created.

Music cannot and will not be killed as any result of how producing it is compensated. It simply cannot happen. I'm suggesting you don't understand the artistic urge very well.

Besides, protecting the outdated business model of an industry that exists by sucking vast sums of money from entertainment that glorifies copkilling, rape, defying parents, using drugs, sluttery, illegitimacy, etc. while giving the artists almost nothing but the right to make money from touring shouldn't really head the list on the conservative agenda.

But then, you should understand that I consider the modern music industry and Hollyweird to be so despicable that I will advocate destroying them by destroying their revenue streams by almost any means possible. And I keep in mind how the movie stars and rock stars like to spew the Left's line at gullible young minds. And how much money they spend on the Dim political machine.

BTW, I do hand out free advice and suggestions on just how to do these things for those who don't know already. I help lots of people with info on this. I consider it my duty as a conservative to deprive the Hollyweird/media machine of revenues and to make sure that people who do this stuff are more able to avoid being detected or prosecuted for it.
54 posted on 08/20/2003 2:12:31 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: xzins
Considering what passes for new music these days, that may not be a bad thing.
68 posted on 08/20/2003 2:29:36 PM PDT by Ronin (Qui tacet consentit!)
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To: xzins
Music companies and musicians (some of them, anyway) have been extracting monopoly profits due to an artifical barrier to entry (copywriting) and natural barrier (you only have so many friends to borrow that CD from).
The internet has removed both of these barriers - end result - lower profits for the music industry, fewer musicians who can make an outrageous amount of money for their level of talent, a move to use recorded music to promote concerts (which can still be used to generate profits).
99 posted on 08/20/2003 3:01:52 PM PDT by 3Lean
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To: xzins
"Recording theft will kill music, not just music companies.'

Music to RIAA's ears, but hardly true.

1. Most artists get a significant share of income from live performances

2. Most artists are "undiscovered" precisely because it takes a huge marketing engine to drive the sales which makes the profits. The internet changes that dynamic completely.

3. Artists like Madonna in the old system got about $2 billion worth in sales, for mostly dreck. Popular dreck but dreck nonetheless.

4. pareto analysis - only a tiny fraction of artists make most of the sales. this means that killing the 'big marketing engine' RIAA-type industry will not much impact most artists (see #1).

More live performances driving sales may be the rule... heck what about a freebie CD with a concert ticket???? $20 for a live performance *and* a memory of it may be a good deal. bottom line, music will live even if the recording 'industry' goes the way of whalers and buggy whips.




140 posted on 08/20/2003 4:30:38 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: xzins
Recording theft will kill music, not just music companies.

It will only kill the format, and the recording industry is the entity that chose that format.

163 posted on 08/20/2003 6:59:11 PM PDT by SSN558 (Be on the lookout for Black White-Supremacists)
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