LBJ was behind JFK's assassination, upcoming book contends

Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | Aug. 20, 2003 | HYE JEONG

[archy]

And Pete Best had to replaced replace by...Ringo, who bears a striking resemblance to Yasser Arafart. Have you ever seen the two in the same room? No? Hmmmm...

Yassar Arafat recently died and was buried, which would seem to indicate that the REAL original Ringo is now also deceased.

[archy]

Oswald did chamber a fourth round that was found in the rifle.

The ammo was bought with the rifle. IIRC.

Nope. The ammo shipped with the rifles by Milt Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago was Italian military ball, surplus and unreliable. Even during late WWII when the Nazis were desperate for workable small arms for use by the Hitler Youth and planned resistance forces, they preferredto rechamber Italian-suppliedCarcanos to use their standard 7.92x57mm Mauserammunition rather than depending on the Italian-produced ammo,

The ammunition used by Oswald was of Winchester Repeating Arms origin, 6.5x52 Carcano manufactured under a CIA contract during the early 50's. The intended use is not clear, but varies from being supplemental production for the Italian Military, use during the Greek civil-war, anti-communist efforts in Albania, etc. These rounds found their way into the surplus market in the early 1960's, and were also astaple of the Anti-Castro Cubans planning a second invasion of Cuba in early 1964, intelligence penetrations of which were ongoing in the Southwest at the time- The Cubanswere hardly inclined to trust most of their previous CIA handlers following the Bay of Pigs betrayal, absent demonstrated proof that Kennedy would not again interfere with their plans.

The subsequent investigation into possible sources of the ammunition used by Oswald indicated that there were only two sources for it in the Dallas area, the most probable source being Dallas gunsmith and weapons consultant John Thomas Masen- though when questioned by the FBI, he denied recognizing Oswald as having been a customer. Interestingly, Masen is still in the business.

[archy]

I think I'm going to write a book about how Kennedy actually committed suicide. Do you think it will sell?

You could make a pretty good argument that letting his kid brother take on the mob after they'd delivered Illinois for him when he needed their favors was just that.

Though as good a case could be made that it was his father who got him killed. Are you aware of where the rifle Oswaldallegedly was obtained and the ownership of that firm?

[archy]

I have very little doubt that LBJ engineered the whole JFK assassination.

I doubt very much that those who were actually involved in arranging the JFK murder were foolish enough to have taken LBJ into their confidence in advance. There was no need, and they had no reason to require his efforts on their behalf in advance of the event. I expect tentative overtures were made to him asking if he were prepared to ascend to the presidency, no matter what the cost, and that he agreed.

But once the deed was done, he HAD to perform as required to squelch any independent factfinding of the events in Dallas, including the two previous attempts on JFKs life and the rewarding of the Secret Service agentswhose actions and inactions resulted in their charge's death. And if LBJ did not do as hewas bid, he could be removed too; the mechanism was in place and functioned well.

[dfwgator]

I wouldn't put anything past that SOB LBJ.

[ZULU]

No.

How did you find a posting from so long ago?? I think I wrote it tongue in cheek, but I agree with you about a possible mob hit on the Lord of Camelot.

[MHGinTN]

If you can post the provenience of the rifle, I would find that very interesting. I'm wondering if the new book coming out will connect Clark to organized crime, from whence came the actual assassin(s). Oswald making a hit must have surprised them, especially since he hit the curb at the underpass left and forward of the motorcade first.

[kallisti]

Yep, that's the one. It's hard to reconcile that wink and the circumstances.

[archy]

If you can post the provenience of the rifle, I would find that very interesting. I'm wondering if the new book coming out will connect Clark to organized crime, from whence came the actual assassin(s). Oswald making a hit must have surprised them, especially since he hit the curb at the underpass left and forward of the motorcade first.

Well, it's well detailed in the Warren Commission report that the Carcano, serial number C-2766, came from Milt Klein's sporting goods outlet in Chicago,interestingly also the place of employment of former Castro anti-Batista compadre and later anti-Castro exile Gerry Patrick Hemming, also a CIA employment applicant:

But the REAL interesting part is the financial backing and *silent partner* in the expansion of Klein's Big and Tall mens Clothing shop into a major domestic weapons retailer and importer, and for somereason, the Warren Commission left that part out.

But it's no secret who the owner of the Boston Bank was, nor how its loans were also used to finance JFK's Senate campaign. Nor that he had considerable financial interests in Chicago, including the Trade Mart in Chicago, sister organization to the New Orleans Trade Mart [2 Canal Street, New Orleans, LA, just down the street from Oswald's Free Play for Cuba office at l544 Camp Street] and the Dallas Trade Mart where JFK was en route to give his Dallas speech when he was shot to death.

Joe Kennedy had been warned before and should have known what he had coming, and using a rifle from a source he had financial ties to was a neat little message.

For more details on the Joe Kennedy-Milt Klein financial connection, see the reports of The Senate Subcommittee on Juvenile Delinquency, from the period when Senator Thomas Dodd co-chaired the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee and sat on the Judiciary Committee, chairing the Juvenile Delinquency Subcommittee.

[archy]

How did you find a posting from so long ago?? I think I wrote it tongue in cheek, but I agree with you about a possible mob hit on the Lord of Camelot. The *old post* was called to my attention.

I'm a former Chicago newspaperman who covered Outfit [Chicagoese for *mob*] and other criminal activities in the Windy City before the daily rag for which I worked was gunned down.

I think there was aconsiderable mob/outfit connection, but that *those guys* hardly actedalone, no more so than they did regarding their halfhearted attempts at wacking Fidel Castro. They do SO much better with a little governmental assistance...and the first try on JFK was to be while JFK was en route to a Chicago area football game on 01 November 1963, by a mentally questionable Marine with a rifle from an upper-story window- sound familiar?. The fate that befell Abraham Bolden, one of the Secret Service agents who forestalled that try, is a real tragedy; you'd think that the exploits of the Service's first Black agent would be proudly hailed, but nooooo....

[MHGinTN]

How do I find more about the 'other two' attempts on JFK? ... The provenance on the rifle is absolutely fascinating! And it tells me something of (at least) why Ted 'the swimmer' Kennedy never ran for President and why little brother Bobby was so feisty to run for the job!

[Xenalyte]

LBJ was behind JFK's assassination, upcoming book contends

In other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

[KC_Conspirator]

That was not Dan. That was Jennings. And Posner is right.

[swarthyguy]

What's your opinion of Peter Dale Scott's Deep Politics and the Death of JFK?

He goes into extensive detail about Chicago and Rubinstein.

[kempster]

I can see it now. Arlan Specter will come up with a Single Vice President theory.

[jackbill]

I didn't Oswald qualified as Marksman.

In fact I read before he was a terrible shot and basicly got booted out of the Marines.

I came to this thread late and I'm not going to read all of the replies. But, in answer to your comment, there are three levels regarding shooting in the military. The top is Expert, the second is Sharpshooter and the third is Marksman.

If Oswald "qualified" as a Marksman, he was among the worst shots in his outfit. I qualified as Expert with an M-1 in 1952. With a bolt action rifle, I have questions as to whether I could have put more than one shot in the moving target in the time expired, in Dealey Plaza.

[hinckley buzzard]

I think it was the "History" Channel that already did the LBJ thing.

[paleocon patriarch]

Watch the right side of the frame and you can see driver (William Greer) lean into the frame and fire the killing shot left handed with some sort of pistol.

Greer fired the kill shot, but there were plenty of other shooters in the ambush.

[moehoward]

It actually does like like that. Never heard that one before.

[Big Red Badger]

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