Egyptian Jurists Sue 'The Jews' for Compensation...of Gold Allegedly Stolen During Exodus from Egypt

Memri.org ^ | 8/09/03 | Dr. Nabil Hilmi, Dean of the Faculty of Law at the University of Al-Zaqaziq

[adam_az]

It's a translation from an Egyptian paper.

Al-Ahram Al-Arabi (Egypt) August 9, 2003.

Lots of other whacko stuff from them:

http://memri.org/bin/search/search.cgi?nocpp=1&p%3Ats_udav=0&sort-method=1&Match=0&Terms=Al-Ahram+Al-Arabi&Realm=All

[browardchad]

"A police investigation revealed that Moses and Aaron, peace be upon them, understood that it was impossible to live in Egypt...

ROFL! You couldn't make this stuff up. Maybe the Arabs were put upon this earth to remind us that truth and reality are precious commodities in a society. Once a society loses the ability to distinguish between truth and lies, reality and delusion, the result is the group psychosis called the Arab world.

It's going to take a few generations and a lot of hard work to bring these people out of the darkness -- if it's even possible.

[alancarp]

Well, okay, here you go: The "Jews of the World" hereby counter-sue for the economic impact of being enslaved by the Egyptians for 400 years or so. I believe that the personal items taken during the Exodus should provide sufficient compensation.

[Onelifetogive]

threatens to bankrupt the entire arab world.

Too late!!!

[DonQ]

The ONLY source for this story is the Hebrew Bible, Exodus 3:22, which says that "every [Hebrew] woman shall ask of her [Egyptian] neighbor, and her that sojourneth in her house [= guests of the Egyptian neighbor], jewelry of silver and jewelry of gold, and raiment....", and Exodus 12:35-36, "... and the children of Israel did as Moses instructed, and they asked the Egyptians for jewelry of silver and jewelry of gold and raiment. And the Lord gave the [Hebrew] people favor in the eyes of the Egyptians so they let them have what they asked for. And they impoverished the Egyptians."

Nothing there about entering the Egyptian houses and nothing about cooking utensils (were the Egyptians using gold for kitchenware??). And it appears that the Egyptians gave up the gold and silver on request, without any other pressure -- although I do suppose that the ten plagues certainly made the Egyptians amenable to extortive requests.

Oddly enough, Pharoah and his Egyptians are described as villains and Moses as a hero in the Koran.

[MalcolmS]

From Exodus 12

35 The Israelites did as Moses instructed and asked the Egyptians for articles of silver and gold and for clothing. 36 The LORD had made the Egyptians favorably disposed toward the people, and they gave them what they asked for; so they plundered the Egyptians.

No case here.

What about the interest?

The Koran, over 1400 years back condemned today's modern banking concepts before they were put into wide scale practice:

"And what you give in interest [riba in Arabic] that it may increase on (other) people's wealth, increases not with Allah (God)...(Koran 30:39)."

The Koran states explicitly that trade is not the same as interest:

Those who consume interest shall not rise, except as he rises whom Satan by his touch prostrates [i.e one who is misled]; that is because they say:"Trade is like interest"; whereas, Allah [God] has permitted trading but forbidden [Haraam in Arabic] interest. Whosoever receives a warning from his/her Lord, he shall have his past gains and his affair is committed to Allah (God); but whosoever reverts (to devouring interest) those, they are the inhabitants of the fire, therein dwelling forever. (Koran 2:275)

And it looks like asking for interest will send them straight to hell.

[Russian Sage]

The Egyptian gold ended up in the temple in jerusalem where it was stolen by the babylonians...

No, actually it had been recovered by the Egyptians long before that:

So Shishak king of Egypt came up against Jerusalem, and took the treasures of the house of the LORD and the treasures of the king's palace. He took everything; he even took the golden shields which Solomon had made.

2 Chr 12:9

[fish hawk]

In the movie "The Ten Commandments" the pharoah takes off his gold necklace and throws it at Moses and says, "take what you will, take everything but just get out of the country, GO!!! In that case they didnt really steal anything. I know it is a movie and just fantasy but then so is this claim by the Arabs.

[RonHolzwarth]

re: "Maybe the Arabs were put upon this earth to remind us that truth and reality are precious commodities in a society. Once a society loses the ability to distinguish between truth and lies, reality and delusion, the result is the group psychosis called the Arab world.
It's going to take a few generations and a lot of hard work to bring these people out of the darkness -- if it's even possible."

My reply: I dunno. Once you get them out of the middle east and get them here, doesn't take long for them to get civilized, no not at all. I think they "hang with" and listen to so much bullshit at home that they don't realize the world is so much larger than the Arabs they left behind realize,,,

I've known quite a few (15 - 25) Islamic people, and EVERY SINGLE ONE was a very reasonable person. Of course, I knew them here in the USA, but some had not been here all that long.

Gotta admit though, they still seemed to dislike "the Jews".

[headsonpikes]

"...even if the interest is only 5%..."

This must be an obscure Arab Onion-type satire.

Islam doesn't hold with 'usury'.

[Mad Dawgg]

"Are you trying to make a point, beyond the one which won't quite form on the top of your soft head?"

Yowsa, a primo example of a virtual bitch-slap if I ever saw one!

[DoughtyOne]

Human logic takes another holiday.

[Ancesthntr]

The stolen gold is estimated at 300 tons, and it was not stolen for 1,000 years, but for 5,758 years, by the Jewish reckoning. Therefore, the debt is very large…

Let's see, that means that Adam stole the gold from Eve, or was it the other way around? Putz, Jews didn't even exist until about 3,800 years ago, and our emancipation from Egyptian slavery didn't occur until about 3,300 years ago. Of course, this is the closest that this delusional crackpot ever gets to the truth in the entire article.

Question: "Is a compromise solution possible?"

Hilmi: "There may be a compromise solution. The debt can be rescheduled over 1,000 years, with the addition of the cumulative interest during that period."

I don't have very much gold, but if some Egyptians come to me asking for compensation of this sort, I've got lots of copper-jacketed hot LEAD which I'll be glad to send via airmail. However, please wait for a week or two, because I'm waiting for my M1A "airplane" to arrive.

[onedoug]

A lot of credibility for Arabs to be giving Jews.

[Sender]

The saddest part is that no matter how loony or laughable the claim, the lawyers will get rich from it and defend it to the hilt.

[dighton]

Islam doesn't hold with 'usury'.

So they say. However,

Central Bank of Egypt slash of discount rate reflects positive turn of economy.

[river rat]

I would have never believed I would consider genocide as the solution to any problem....

However.........

Semper Fi

[Restorer]

It is also in the Ten Commandments, which the Jews were ordered [to observe]. Therefore, they have a basic religious obligation to return what was stolen, if it exists.

Not applicable.

Ex post facto Commandments.

[Thommas]

Good Grief! If this didn't come from the mouths of Islamic "scholars", I'd say these dudes were moronic commedians. However, there is nothing funny about this calumny.

I guess when vaunted African-American scholars can seek reparations for implausible intangibles, then the fecund mind of the Muslim scholar will be quick to follow.

[.cnI redruM]

And Cynthia McKinney files an amicus curitae on their behalf.