Say It Ain't So, Bud (Pete Rose Alert)

fanstop.com ^ | 08/20/2003 | Adam Graham

[Remole]

I admit--Pujols is one of the 5 best hitters I've ever seen since I've watched baseball for the past 40 years (the others: Bonds, Rice, Carew, and Molitor). But to me, this year Bonds has a pretty clear edge, and what he did against the Braves this week proves it.

[Tallguy]

IMHO, Rose will never bet on baseball if he is reinstated, because he will be under such scrutiny, that betting will be virtually impossible for him to get away with.

How would you ever know if he did? Hmmm? He was the MANAGER for crying out loud! He pulls a pitcher here, fails to insert a pinch hitter there, calls for a steal when there isn't a prayer -- voila, he coaches his team right out of a game -- possibly winning a bet in the process! C'mon THINK IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH!

[Az Joe]

Wrong guy. But I say let him back in anyway.

[PBRSTREETGANG]

IMHO, Rose will never bet on baseball if he is reinstated, because he will be under such scrutiny, that betting will be virtually impossible for him to get away with.

"A Rose is a Rose is a Rose."

[Keyes2000mt]

There's no rule posted in clubhouses saying drug use leads to an automatic ban. Betting on the game, threatens the integrity of the game itself.

[Tallguy]

Its interesting how on many aspects Rose is being dumped upon. However, when compared to the multiple drug convictions many players have acquired and the damage they have caused to baseball with the gross lack of any similar punishment make Rose's ban very unfair.

Fair point, but you realize that this is the "Bill Clinton" defense? You can only address problems 1 at a time, as they are discovered.

Who was that Dodger pitcher that suffered several suspensions for drug use, only to be re-instated every time? Bad, I agree. Worse than Rose? Maybe, but we can't go back & correct that decision. The reason I can't remember that pitcher's name is because nobody is nominating him to the HOF, so I guess it's a mute point.

[Az Joe]

How about all the drunks, racists, drug and steroid users? How about the owners who have done more to hurt the game then Rose ever did?

Do you mind having them on the field?

[xzins]

This same info was posted last week and MLB eventually said that it was a rumor.

Mike Schmidt said something in the Cincy Enquirer about Pete getting a hearing sometime during the off season.

That's a far cry from winning his case.

Personally, I think he should be in the HoF as a player. (He doesn't have the wins to justify being in as a manager, but that's a moot point. His gambling as a manager should disqualify him if he ever gets that far.)

[Hatteras]

"Betting on the game, threatens the integrity of the game itself."

And corking the bat doesn't?

[Redwood71]

Oh, I agree. But, I'm insinuating that even if Selig raised the ban, HOF still doesn't have to allow him in.

[Remole]

On the overvalued reputation of the RBI stat, see the work of Neyer and James over at ESPN and at Sabermetrics. They would say that RBI is not very important; much more important are On-base %, Slugging % and the composite of them.

[smith288]

If Rose is reinstated to Professional Baseball, I will never again attend a Major League Game. That would be the end for me.

Ill be sure not to look for you at any Reds game then.

[Hatteras]

"How about Bonds take off the elbow pad that no one else gets to wear?"

Who says no one else can wear an elbow pad?

[Godzilla]

"Fair point, but you realize that this is the "Bill Clinton" defense? You can only address problems 1 at a time, as they are discovered."

Not intended as a slick willie defense, just to point out that there is a significant degree of unsavoryness with the way pro baseball deals with a lot of issues, one of which is the drug issues and the kid glove treatment handed out. And it has been more than "one dodger pitcher" but many from other teams, including potential HOF player (or at least they would have been w/o drugs). Rose gambled and did wrong. And of course this isn't limited to just baseball either.

[Mrs.Liberty]

It was Steve Howe.

[jsbankston]

MLB Does not have a rule that if you cork your bat, do drugs, drink too much or even murder your mother that you will be banned from the game for Life. However, MLB does have a rule that if you bet on baseball that you will be banned from the game for Life. Pete bet on baseball, Pet broke the rules, Pete should take his punishment like a man.

[Tallguy]

Drug use v. Gambling is an "Apples 'n Oranges" comparison that just distracts attention from the question at hand: Should Pete Rose be reinstated? My answer would be 'no'.

BTW, Baseball has to be careful when disciplining players ever since the advent of the players' union. The concept of collective bargaining means that there's virtually no action that MLB (the commissioners office) can take against a player that will not be reviewed (and possibly arbitrated). Plus you run the risk of one of these players suing MLB for "denying him a right to make a living." MLB would lose that one in a heartbeat.

[irish guard]

>>>>>>"It's in compliance," Watson said. "He's got a medical exemption." <<<<

Yea, that pad prolly covers up where he sticks himslef with the steriod needle.