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The Unflappable Condi Rice; Why the world's most powerful woman asks God for help.
Christianity Today Magazine ^ | 08/22/2003 | Sheryl Henderson Blunt

Posted on 08/22/2003 12:10:00 PM PDT by sanchmo

Admirers have called her one of the country's best and brightest and the President's secret weapon. At a June 4 meeting with Jordanian, Palestinian Authority, and Israeli leaders, President Bush called her "my personal representative" and said she would work closely with the parties to help bring about peace. Her significance in shaping American foreign policy is hard to overstate.

Known affectionately inside the White House as the Warrior Princess, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice often speaks for the President on foreign policy and is one of his closest confidants. From her northwest corner office of the West Wing, she is responsible for sharpening and presenting the arguments of the administration's often rambunctious National Security Council.

Before her current stint, she had overseen decisions in corporate boardrooms, managed a multimillion-dollar budget at Stanford University, and negotiated key deals for the first President Bush.

Rice's keen intellect, steely unflappability, and Southern charm have served her well. Those qualities, her family and friends told Christianity Today, arise from something deep within her. "Her faith is absolutely fundamental to who she is," says Randy Bean, executive producer of special television projects at Stanford and a longtime friend. "It's part of her fiber."

"She's very close to the Lord," says Rice's aunt, Genoa Ray McPhatter. "She knows that he guides and directs her. She learned this early as a child, to have that faith, and to believe that the Lord can do all things."

A 'Perfect Little Lady'
Born on November 14, 1954, the year before the civil rights movement began, little Condi entered the brutally racist environment of Birmingham, Alabama, surrounded by her family's strong faith and lavish devotion.

Her father, John W. Rice Jr., was a second-generation minister at Westminster Presbyterian Church and an educator. Her mother, Angelena, was a music teacher and church organist. From the beginning, the Rices resolved that their daughter would have the most nurturing, stimulating environment possible. A full schedule of activities ensued: youth group, piano, ballet, French, flute, violin, speed reading, and church every Sunday.

"I had parents who gave me every conceivable opportunity," Rice told Vogue.

Condi's early religious influences included her maternal grandmother, a piano teacher who was deeply grounded in her Christian faith. The first piece she taught her granddaughter to play was the hymn "What a Friend We Have in Jesus." Her grandmother urged her children and grandchildren to exemplify Jesus. "Whenever we would leave home she always told us to take the name of Jesus with us," says Rice's aunt McPhatter. "It was a constant reminder to keep Christ in our hearts and minds, foremost."

Music was a family affair, and as early as age 3 Condi played piano at family gatherings. At 5 she accompanied her mother at the organ bench during worship services. Her name is from the Italian phrase con dolcezza, which refers to playing music "with sweetness." Unlike other neighborhood children who often played outdoors, she was more likely to be found reading a book or practicing the piano.

"She always was the little lady," says McPhatter. An elegant and fashionable woman herself, Angelena took care to dress Condi stylishly. She took her daughter to the same fine clothing stores frequented by Birmingham's wealthy whites, and on more than a few shopping trips, Condi saw her mother stand up to segregationist store clerks.

In spending so much time around her parents, Rice developed a remarkable maturity. When John Rice received a scholarship for a summer program at New York University, officials told him children could not stay in dorms. "My sister got on the phone and told them Condi was a child but she was not really a child," McPhatter says. "She said that she was very calm and acted just like an adult, and if Condi couldn't go, John wasn't coming either." Condi went along. "She was a perfect little lady and no one even realized she was there."

It might have been an idyllic youth had Birmingham not been a hotbed of racial violence. Theophilus Eugene "Bull" Connor, Birmingham's Commissioner of Public Safety, inflamed racist sentiment and zealously enforced Jim Crow laws, keeping protesting blacks at bay with police dogs and fire hoses.

On September 15, 1963, a Sunday morning, Condi was standing inside her father's church when she felt the floor shake. A bomb had exploded two blocks away at Sixteenth Street Baptist Church, killing four young black girls. One was Rice's schoolmate. That blast, rather than derailing the civil rights movement, energized the crusade to pass the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Rice would later say the memory of "home-grown terrorism" from 1960s Birmingham flooded back into her mind after the 9/11 attacks. These early childhood memories have become a cornerstone in Rice's political convictions about the importance of human dignity and individual liberty for all people.

Being Twice as Good
Like other middle-class black parents in Birmingham, the Rices were determined that their daughter would overcome racism through hard work, personal achievement, and a God-given sense of self-worth. "My parents had me absolutely convinced that … you may not be able to have a hamburger at Woolworth's but you can be President of the United States," Rice told Newsweek. For Condi this meant being twice as good as whites in order to gain equal footing.

Banned from public restaurants, pools, and the local amusement park, Kiddieland, Birmingham's black youths had limited entertainment outlets. Pastor Rice created a youth fellowship organization.

"It was not just an adjunct to our spiritual lives, but also the center of our social lives," says Mary Kate Bush, president of Bush International, a global finance advisory company, who participated in the fellowship's Bible studies, dances, and cultural field trips. "[Condoleezza] was frequently there with us, being looked after by her father while he was running the youth fellowship."

"Daddy Rice"—as he came to be known by many of Condi's friends—was also a man of intense personal magnetism and confidence. Bush says he "exuded power" and possessed a gentleness that made him "totally approachable and warm." Those whose lives he touched credit him for their success. To John Rice, God and education were the keys to overcoming obstacles, and he made sure all of his "kids" got plenty of both.

"Our world was completely black," says Freeman A. Hrabowski, president of the University of Maryland, Baltimore County. Hrabowski attended Ullman High in Birmingham, where Pastor Rice also served as a guidance counselor. "The challenge was, when we moved beyond that world, we were going to be told we're second class. Rev. Rice was there preparing us for that. He was telling us we're children of God. How could we be second class? What he was doing was teaching us to live examined lives. He was pushing us to examine everything we did and how we did it."

Condi's father took academic positions at Stillman College and then the University of Denver, so Rice spent her teenage years in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, and in Denver. There she enrolled in the prestigious St. Mary's Academy, an independent Catholic school and the first integrated school she attended. It was also where a school counselor advised her parents that their daughter was not college material.

That assessment—which her parents rejected as flat-out false—seemed to bounce off the confident young woman not accustomed to accepting society's limitations. "Our parents and our community in many ways sheltered us from the very negative things," says Bush. "Many of us never thought about limitations. We never expected there would be limitations on our ambitions."

That counselor's words seemed only to invigorate her. Rice thrived at St. Mary's with a full schedule of ice-skating, tennis, and piano, graduating early with a slew of honors. At 15, she enrolled in the University of Denver.

But difficult days were not far off. That same year, 1969, her mother was diagnosed with breast cancer. Recalling the experience years later, Rice said when the results of her mother's first surgery came back, her father "got down on his knees and he prayed: 'Lord, how am I going to raise a 15-year-old girl alone?' " Angelena would live another 15 years, but during this time, Rice said she feared her mother's death "in the abstract every waking day."

At the University of Denver's Lamont School of Music, Rice pursued a degree in piano performance, practicing on the $13,000 Steinway grand piano her parents bought her. Rice encountered, perhaps for the first time, world-class competition. Years later during a radio interview, Rice recalled meeting "11-year-olds who could play from sight what had taken [her] all year to learn." That made her think twice about a career as a performer.

"I went to my parents, who had spent a fortune and all of their time turning me into a pianist, and said, 'Mom and Dad, I'm changing my major,' " Rice told Oprah Winfrey. Her parents were initially shocked and resistant.

"Her daddy looked at her and said, 'Condoleezza! Black people don't make money in political science,' " McPhatter said in a recent newspaper interview.

Rice replied: "Music, either."

Studying Geopolitics
Rice enrolled in a course on international politics. The instructor was Josef Korbel. The former Czech diplomat and political refugee fascinated Rice. She would later describe Korbel as "one of the most central figures in my life, next to my parents." Korbel and his family, whose Jewish background came to light much later, escaped both Nazis and communists. The U.S. government granted Korbel political asylum, and the University of Denver hired him to start an international politics program.

Rice and Korbel's daughter, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, are probably that program's most famous alumni. Both Rice and Albright, despite their differences, acquired Korbel's unshakable commitment to the American ideals of freedom and democracy. Rice, like many foreign policy experts of the Cold War era, was attracted to the views of scholar Hans Morgenthau, a leading advocate of balance-of-power realism in relations between nations.

But in time, Rice's own view would shift toward the values-driven model that the Bush White House embraces. "Power matters," Rice told National Review in 1999. "But there can be no absence of moral content in American foreign policy, and, furthermore, the American people wouldn't accept such an absence. Europeans giggle at this and say we're naïve and so on, but we're not Europeans, we're Americans—and we have different principles."

Rice graduated cum laude with multiple honors and a degree in political science. The 19-year-old then headed to Notre Dame University to earn a master's degree in government. "She was already on her way to being a Soviet specialist," says Jane Robinett, a fellow student at Notre Dame and now a professor of rhetoric at San Diego State University. "She was really interested in all things Russian." Rice had even named her car Boris.

Rice returned to Denver to earn a Ph.D. in international studies, but even then she found it difficult to leave her music behind. Her year-long independent project was on "Music and Politics in the Soviet Union." Capping a successful ten-year transformation from pianist to professor of political science, Rice accepted a fellowship at Stanford University's Center for International Security and Arms Control. At 26, she was an assistant professor at one of the most prestigious universities in the land.

Drawn Back to Church
Rice sparkled at Stanford, impressing everyone. She was young, stunningly attractive, and had a razor-sharp mind. But something even more important was happening. During these years, Rice says, God drew her back to the church.

It began when the nearby Jerusalem Baptist Church started looking for some help. "We needed a piano player very badly," says longtime church member Dale Hamel, then president of the choir. Hamel charged his choir with finding a musician. He was pushing his shopping cart down the canned food lane at Lucky Supermarket when he ran into Rice.

"We practically bumped into each other," says Hamel. "We stopped and started laughing, and I looked down at her fingers and saw that they were long and skinny. I said, 'Are you a musician?' And she said, 'Hey, how'd you know?' " Rice played for the church for six months, refusing to take any money.

"That got me regularly back into churchgoing," she said in an August 2002 address to a Sunday school class at her home church, National Presbyterian in Washington, D.C. "I thought to myself, 'My goodness, God has a long reach.' I mean, in the Lucky Supermarket on a Sunday morning."

But Rice yearned to return to her Presbyterian roots. One Sunday she visited Menlo Park Presbyterian Church in Palo Alto. "The minister that Sunday morning gave a sermon I will never quite forget," Rice said. "It was about the Prodigal Son from the point of view of the elder son. It set the elder son up not as somebody who had done all the right things but as somebody who had become so self-satisfied… . I started to think of myself as that elder son, who had never doubted the existence of the heavenly Father, but wasn't really walking in faith in an active way anymore. I started to become more active with the church, to go to Bible study, and to have a more active prayer life. It was a very important turning point in my life."

During these years, she grieved her mother's death, helped her father work through his grief, talked him into moving to California, watched him remarry, and continued to stay involved in church and community activities—like raising money for an after-school center for underprivileged children in East Palo Alto.

Bonding With the Bushes
In 1987 Stanford sponsored a conference on arms control, and over dinner one night, Rice met Brent Scowcroft, who served in President Gerald Ford's administration. He recalls meeting a very confident young woman "who looked more like an undergrad." Scowcroft was so impressed with Rice that he resolved to help her advance. When the newly elected President George H. W. Bush asked Scowcroft to serve as National Security Adviser, Rice was one of the first people Scowcroft invited onto his staff. She served as his Soviet expert.

"She has a very steely inner soul, but with a very genteel exterior," Scowcroft says. Rice was so considerate when she first arrived at the White House, people thought they could run right over her. "They only tried that once." Rice quickly bonded with President Bush, advising him during the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Philip Zelikow, executive director of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks, served with Rice on the senior Bush's national security staff and wrote a book with her. Zelikow says Rice's commitments became evident during her service with Scowcroft.

"She believes in empowering people," Zelikow says. "In international affairs, that means real commitment to liberty and freedom. She sees the message of her life as a message of how to realize a person's potential. No one should ever become the prisoner of other people's expectations."

Zelikow says that was evident back in 1990, when Rice helped develop U.S. policy on the reunion of East and West Germany. "Her instincts all along, from the very beginning, were: We need to allow the German people to pursue their own destiny, and we need to have the Soviets accept that," says Zelikow. "That's what she recommended to President Bush."

Rice grew close to the Bush family, spending vacations at their estate in Kennebunkport, Maine. "Bush Senior was very fond of her, which is why she is where she is," Scowcroft says. Rice and George W. Bush have a similar bond, enhanced by their faith, mutual intellectual respect, and obsession with sports.

Rice returned to Stanford in 1991 to continue teaching. But a month after being promoted to full professor in 1993, she was tapped for provost. At 38, Rice was the youngest, the first nonwhite, and the first woman to assume the university's second most powerful position. The big leap from faculty member to provost had a steep learning curve. The university's $20 million budget deficit didn't help matters.

Rice resolved to balance the budget in two years—and succeeded. She approached tough decisions with her mother's no-nonsense directness, slashing costs and cutting staff, but always making clear where she stood. Angry critics accused her of compromising the school's commitment to diversity. Unpopular with students, Rice was seen as "cold and uninclusive."

"She was coming from a political environment, where many decisions were made unilaterally, to an academic environment driven by collegiality," says Lori White, who was at Stanford at that time and is now dean of students at San Diego State University. "It was a tough transition."

Rice worked on her public image, becoming more visible at student functions. At her last address to the undergraduate class of 1999, students gave her a standing ovation.

"She learned how to soften her approach, and how to let people, particularly students, know that while she certainly had to make tough decisions, she wasn't a tyrant," White says. "It's a great testament to her ability to respond to criticism."

During her tenure at Stanford, Rice spent her weekends with family and friends. Holidays were particularly known for their eclectic makeup of people and "ecumenical nature," Bean says. Rice and her stepmother, Clara Bailey Rice, would take turns cooking. Condi's Thanksgiving turkeys, cranberry salad, and Cornish hens received rave reviews.

Bean recalls one Easter dinner that included about 20 people, including Jews and Muslims. "Her religious beliefs never excluded anyone," Bean says. "It was perfectly normal to have Jews around at Easter. It was an indication of how comfortable she was with her Christianity." No holiday gathering was complete without hymns. No matter who was present, Bean says, "We'd power through the hymnal."

Rice and her father enjoyed a renewed closeness, traveling together to games and other functions. They also looked out for each other. Several recall the gentle ribbing Rice gave her tall, heavy-set father about his rich diet, and the times John Rice would camp out outside his daughter's condo some nights until she returned home.

"She wasn't too happy about it because she was independent and strong," says Bailey Rice, recalling the occasional nights John would drag her out of bed to wait up with him. "She would just say, 'Daddy! What are you doing?' She wasn't angry. You could tell it made her feel good that he loved her so much."

Rice was on the road with George W. Bush's presidential campaign in February 2000, serving as Bush's chief foreign policy tutor, when her father suffered a severe attack of arrhythmia. The attack left him bedridden with stroke-like symptoms. During her father's 10-month illness, it became clear that Rice would be offered a senior position in the Bush White House. Fearing for his daughter's safety in far-off Washington and eager for her to continue enjoying a prestigious career in academia, John Rice was less than enthusiastic. As with her other pivotal decisions, however, Rice knew what she had to do.

"She prays and makes her own decisions," Bailey Rice says. "Her father said that she has always followed her own heart and mind. And usually her decisions are the right ones." President-elect Bush announced his selection of Rice as his National Security Adviser at a December 2000 press conference. Six days later, on Christmas Eve, John Rice died.

"We all believe Daddy Rice gave his daughter a wonderful gift by going on to the other side when he did, because he was very conflicted about her being National Security Adviser," White says. "She was going to have to be going back and forth [to visit him] and had she been in Washington when he died, it would have devastated her."

Instead, Rice was with her father when he died. Friends marveled afterward at how at peace she seemed about his death. "He knew that she had reached this level," Bean says. "It was probably a moment when he felt that he could let her go."

Her Eye is on the World
Rice's role as National Security Adviser has been even more crucial since the September 11 attacks. She's had a hand in the war effort abroad and the security effort at home, Middle East peace initiatives, negotiations on North Korea, and relations with Europe. Bush has tapped Rice to defend the administration against charges of failing to act on intelligence data that critics said could have prevented the 9/11 tragedy. On Iraq, Rice again became a key advocate, invoking just-war doctrine and arguing the administration's case to skeptics abroad and at home. As early as August 2002, Rice spoke to the bbc about a "very powerful moral case for regime change" in Iraq.

Her views, like those of President Bush, are grounded in Christian ethics. "It shows in both of them a deeply religious foundation that seems to infiltrate nonreligious issues," Scowcroft says. "That is the milieu in which they tend to make decisions."

Rice has not limited her role to traditional national security matters. Zelikow and others say Rice was crucial, along with Secretary of State Colin Powell, in convincing Bush to set aside $200 million for the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria. That money is part of a $15 billion package designed to fight AIDS in the most devastated areas, especially southern Africa.

Rice is neither a theologian nor an ethicist. She has never publicly articulated how her biblical faith informs her foreign policy—other than her concern for international justice and peace. What she better articulates and lives is a personal faith that strengthens her in her demanding and controversy-laden calling. That faith flows naturally, even spontaneously.

On New Year's Eve 2002, Rice and some friends traveled to Florida to watch Notre Dame play in the Gator Bowl. After a New Year's Eve dinner, the group had an impromptu prayer meeting in Rice's hotel room.

"It was a totally ecumenical thing," Robinett says. "It didn't matter what your denomination is, your gender or your race or politics. We just laid aside our differences."

They sang "His Eye Is on the Sparrow," White said. Then the group stood, formed a circle, held hands, and "prayed for each other and for the world."


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The Privilege of Struggle
How Rice understands suffering and prayer.

mong the many gifts Condoleezza Rice's dad gave her was his own example of persevering in sorrow while clinging to the God he loved. "Even in his sickbed, he was still the spiritual leader," says Gregory Bailey, Rice's stepbrother. Bailey recalls a Thanksgiving gathering in which the family had assembled around Pastor Rice, whose condition required 24-hour nursing care and had rendered him barely able to speak.

"I was getting ready to lead the prayer. Right before I spoke, John said, in the clearest, most commanding voice, 'Our Father in heaven,' and he basically said a beautiful, eloquent prayer in the clearest, most resonate tone. It was almost like he was in the pulpit, and at the end everyone clapped and cheered and was in tears."

Rice's own approach to struggle combines the godly influences of her family members with her own deeply rooted faith. Not long after becoming provost at Stanford, Rice preached at Menlo Park Presbyterian Church on "The Privilege of Struggle."

Struggle and sorrow, she said, "are not license to give way to self-doubt, to self-pity, and to defeat," but are "an opportunity to find a renewed spirit and a renewed strength to carry on." How else but through struggle, she said, "are we to get to know the full measure of the Lord's capacity for intervention in our lives? If there are no burdens, how can we know that he can be there to lift them?

"The affirmation of that paradox of the human condition, a belief in the privilege of struggle, is heard in the words of a Negro spiritual. In the most horrendous of conditions, when it must have seemed that there was no way out, nowhere to go, slaves raised their voices in 'Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen.' Glory, Hallelujah."

As Rice spoke of how she had found the strength to go on after the death of her mother, her father sat near the back row and choked back his tears. She said, "I understood, for the first time in my life, the peace that passeth all understanding."

On September 11, 2001, when terrorists slammed planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and killed more than 3,000 people, Rice was prepared spiritually. She approached 9/11 the same way she had approached her previous trials—with prayer and an earnestness to learn and to grow.

"Terror and tragedy have made us more aware of our vulnerabilities and mortality," Rice said at the National Prayer Breakfast this February. "We're living through a time of testing and consequence, and pray that our wisdom and will are equal to the work before us."

Music too has carried Rice through hard times. At Camp David on the weekend after September 11, Bush and his top advisers met to discuss the administration's response. After the meeting, Attorney General John Ashcroft sat at a piano and played "Amazing Grace" and "His Eye Is on the Sparrow" while Rice sang.

In asking God to guide her decisions, Rice told Newsweek, "It's not as if you ask God, 'Should we try to take down the Taliban?' " Rather, when Rice kneels at night, she often asks that God help her to "walk in your way and not my own."


Hard Line on the Road Map
Can Rice put pressure on the nation she admires?

As the President's special envoy to the Middle East, Condoleezza Rice has taken the lead role in helping to implement the U.S.-backed "road map," demonstrating again her ever-increasing role in articulating the Bush administration's foreign policy.

But critics wonder whether Rice is willing or experienced enough on Middle East policy to assure that Israel—one of the United States' strongest allies—meets its obligations under the comprehensive peace initiative.

"Can America stand tall on the issue of Palestine and speak justice?" asks Fahed Abu-Akel, a Palestinian American Christian and Presbyterian minister in Atlanta. His family fled their home and became refugees during the 1948 War. "Right now the U.S. government's foreign policy vis-à-vis the issue of Palestine is bankrupt." The internationally supported peace plan seeks to end years of violence in the region and establish an independent Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip within three years. Skeptics say the plan is doomed to fail unless Israel ends its occupation and withdraws from all settlements in the West Bank and Gaza as outlined in the road map. That withdrawal, Israel says, will depend on how successfully the Palestinian Authority can curb terrorism and crack down on militants.

Many of Rice's critics see the road map as little more than another attempt by the United States to assert its hegemony over the Middle East. Rice's comments to an Israeli newspaper that she has "a deep affinity with Israel" only deepened their concerns.

"I have always admired the history of the State of Israel and the hardness and determination of the people that founded it," Rice told Israel's daily Yediot Aharonot in May. "Israel was a state who in the beginning was not given a chance to survive. She survived mainly because of the hardness of the Israelis and their readiness to sacrifice their lives for the state."

Rice added that growing up listening to her Presbyterian minister father's stories about the Holy Land made her first visit to Israel in August 2000 a "deep emotional experience." The comments provoked the left-wing political website Counterpunch to publish an essay called "The Hardness of Condoleezza Rice: Huckstress of Israeli Myths."

The perception that the administration's close ties to Israel have already compromised the peace plan is particularly strong among Arabs. Rice's defenders, however, say that she has already shown backbone with Israel. They cite a temporary cease-fire by Palestinian militants, the beginning of an Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, and her criticism of the 1,000-kilometer security wall Israel is building to separate its territory from the West Bank.

1 posted on 08/22/2003 12:10:01 PM PDT by sanchmo
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To: sanchmo
Condi is The Man.

So to speak.
2 posted on 08/22/2003 12:12:05 PM PDT by martin_fierro (A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
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To: sanchmo
I can't believe any person with the title "National Security Advisor" still has a job after the 9/11 debacle.
3 posted on 08/22/2003 12:18:25 PM PDT by JohnGalt ("the constitution as it is, the union as it was")
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To: martin_fierro
If Hillary is running in 2008 (and she will be for sure if she doesn't in 2004), and the GOP doesn't nominate Condoleezza Rice, we are insane. It would be our chance to radically change the face of American politics for years and would completely destroy one of the only 2 issues keeping the Democratic Party from completely imploding.
4 posted on 08/22/2003 12:20:37 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
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To: sanchmo
She's not totally "unflappable". She seemed to get upset when she was asked if the administration had any sort of warning concerning September 11th. Someday we'll find out what that was all about.
5 posted on 08/22/2003 12:21:08 PM PDT by wideminded
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6 posted on 08/22/2003 12:21:18 PM PDT by mhking
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To: JohnGalt
I can't believe any person with the title "National Security Advisor" still has a job after the 9/11 debacle.

Pretty amazing coming from someone who doesn't even support waging the war it takes to prevent another one.

7 posted on 08/22/2003 12:22:06 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
I believe in a decentralized government and a well armed citizenry, like the forefathers, as the best means of national defense. You, apparently, apoligize for incompetence and believe if we kill the boogeyman in the Middle East all will be well.



Do you support building global hegemony and nation building in Liberia as the best use of limited resources to provide defense?

8 posted on 08/22/2003 12:24:31 PM PDT by JohnGalt ("the constitution as it is, the union as it was")
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To: martin_fierro
She learned how to soften her approach

Still needs work. As with all of us.

9 posted on 08/22/2003 12:25:21 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: sanchmo
Pro-abortion.

Damned shame.
10 posted on 08/22/2003 12:27:26 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
Pro-abortion.

Her judges, like Bush's (who's fairly weak on abortion personally), wouldn't be though and that's all that matters.

11 posted on 08/22/2003 12:29:47 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
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To: JohnGalt
Do you support building global hegemony and nation building in Liberia as the best use of limited resources to provide defense?

Nation-building in Liberia, no? Doing what it takes to keep oil from being $500 barrel (and, therefore, the Dow at 500 and 50% unemployed, etc.)? Yes.

12 posted on 08/22/2003 12:31:17 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Sorry, while she is accomplished, I'm no Condi worshipper and honestly feel that many here do worship her simply because she is female and attractive and black.

That does not mean that I do not appreciate her in large.
13 posted on 08/22/2003 12:33:50 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wideminded
I would be upset too if someone accused me of covering something up.
14 posted on 08/22/2003 12:36:26 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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To: martin_fierro
Growing up in Birmingham, leaving during the racial strife, I came to realize and appreciate the courage and basic goodness of Black Americans. To understand that blacks by their sweat and tears made, in great part, the South, what it was, and is today.

Needless to say that Condi is my hero. Hopefully she will be the next Sec. of State under W's second term.

15 posted on 08/22/2003 12:37:01 PM PDT by TUX
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To: TUX
I think your average NSA would make a better SOS than vice versa?

Something about the water at State....it makes even the strong become weak and relativistic.
16 posted on 08/22/2003 12:40:08 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
I'm no Condi worshipper and honestly feel that many here do worship her simply because she is female and attractive and black.

I worship her...I'd drink her bathwater...I'd crawl a mile on my hands and knees over broken glass just to catch a glimpse of the truck that takes her laundry to the cleaners.

17 posted on 08/22/2003 12:42:43 PM PDT by Snardius
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To: wardaddy
Sorry, while she is accomplished, I'm no Condi worshipper and honestly feel that many here do worship her simply because she is female and attractive and black.

Not a worshipper. Just a practical-minded conservative. If someone other than Hillary runs in 2008, I don't think Condoleezza should be the nominee. If Hillary runs in 2008 (she wins the nomination easily), there ain't another prominent Republican, currently, that has a prayer of winning.

18 posted on 08/22/2003 12:44:51 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
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To: sanchmo
Condoleezza Rice for President.
19 posted on 08/22/2003 12:46:30 PM PDT by PoorMuttly (Rapaciously rapacious Muttly ate Tag Line again, with his typical rapaciousness. Sorry.)
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To: sanchmo; MJY1288; Calpernia; Grampa Dave; anniegetyourgun; Coop; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...
Known affectionately inside the White House as the Warrior Princess, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice often speaks for the President on foreign policy and is one of his closest confidants.

Conde the Warrior Princess ping!

If you want on or off my pro-Coalition/anti-wanker ping list, just ping.

8 Unapologetically Pro-Coalition News Links and Articles

20 posted on 08/22/2003 12:47:57 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (That regime will not be coming back.The coalition will not be dissuaded from its mission. Rummy 8/21)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
21 posted on 08/22/2003 12:50:33 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Money is the root of all evil, and a man needs roots.)
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To: Snardius
Would you dig up a mile of sewer pipe...........????

(finished with a very nasty ol Southern line about when someone is fanatically attracted to a woman.,..and I'm not even gonna hint at it beyond the clue left but I'll bet I'm not the only one that knows that one)

Speaking of bathwater....there was a very famous Latin song by Juan Luis Guerra about wanting to be a fish in a woman's bathwater or aquarium or something along those lines....so I guess that is a common theme.

Have you tried roses or a card?
22 posted on 08/22/2003 12:51:44 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Texas_Dawg
I myself am trying to be practical right now with Arnold and my view between far right cultural extremist that I am versus pragmatism. It ain't easy.

Who could replace W.....I have no clue yet. Frist was mentioned but so far he's sort of milquetoast...and he's a homeboy.

23 posted on 08/22/2003 12:54:53 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl


Who would you trust with the safety of our Country?
24 posted on 08/22/2003 12:55:19 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Money is the root of all evil, and a man needs roots.)
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To: JohnGalt
I can't believe any person with the title "National Security Advisor" still has a job after the 9/11 debacle.

I can't believe someone pounding away on a keyboard with 20/20 hindsight has the nerve to insult her for not being psychic. How pathetic!

25 posted on 08/22/2003 12:57:07 PM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
This is a terrific article.Her expression of her faith is truly magnificent.May God continue to bless Condi.
26 posted on 08/22/2003 12:58:37 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: sanchmo; hobbes1; dubyaismypresident; xsmommy
Nice post sanchmo, but it is missing something.



There, that's better.

27 posted on 08/22/2003 12:59:02 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: wardaddy
Who could replace W

George Allen (R-VA)

28 posted on 08/22/2003 12:59:09 PM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: wideminded
"She seemed to get upset when she was asked if the administration had any sort of warning concerning September 11th".

It could be that she is more than a little tired of having to answer this asinine question endlessly from the same bunch of lib reporters.
Do they really expect her to change her answer some day and say, "Oh yeah, we knew that was gonna happen way ahead of time, we just decided that we didn't care"
Give her a break, she's human and can only tolerate so much stupidity without getting a little testy.
29 posted on 08/22/2003 1:00:12 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (I don't get even, I get odder.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
The Good =

RICE aids our Commander-in-Chief in Time of War

The BAD =

HILLARY fights to replace our Commander-in-Chief in Time of War

...ASAP
30 posted on 08/22/2003 1:04:32 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com ..)
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To: sanchmo
I really like and respect Condi, but still take exception to that condemnation of the security wall. Condemning such a passive form of defense seemed like a Powell moment, especially in light of the UN's snide comparison to the Berlin wall. Sure it isn't perfect, and of course they'll just lob mortars over it, but at least it's passive defense.
31 posted on 08/22/2003 1:05:02 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Coop
I'd give DeLay 1 year as King.

Is that too "far right"..lol?


Seriously....W sort of chews up all the scenery right now after 9-11 and so frankly, I don't think anyone has surfaced yet.

Who would have thought Dean would be leading the Demons a year ago.

I like Fred Thompson's demeanor but he doesn't have the fire anymore to campaign.

Little Jeb?..."not gonna happen" as daddy would say.

I need to see more about George Allen.

Believe it or not....i think Rudy Guliani (even though I disagree with his social liberalism) could win....he is one of the few real Yankees that white southerners and mountain folk would vote for.

But, while I might think it's ok to knowingly vote in a RINO like Arnold in Kali because I think that's all who can get elected. I don't think that is quite true nationally.

Someone I agree with (100%) can't get elected dogcatcher but a slightly right of center Pub like W can.

You've given me something to think about.
32 posted on 08/22/2003 1:11:02 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: JohnGalt
"I can't believe any person with the title "National Security Advisor" still has a job after the 9/11 debacle."

Because you don't see it as an atrocity...you see it as a debacle in which our oversized, stupid, oil dependent, nation-building government was given a timely warning of the time, type and places of the attacks but didn't act.

33 posted on 08/22/2003 1:11:25 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Coop
George Allen bump.
34 posted on 08/22/2003 1:13:50 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (HHD)
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To: wideminded
"She seemed to get upset when she was asked if the administration had any sort of warning concerning September 11th. Someday we'll find out what that was all about"

She was probably sick and tired of repeating herself to idiots who believe that asking the same people the same question over and over will eventually result in their getting the answer they want rather than the simple truth.

As someone who tends to go ballistic about the third time I'm forced to repeat myself, I sympathize with her and find her self-control commendable.

35 posted on 08/22/2003 1:14:45 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Please put me on your Pro Coalition,anti-wanker ping list, please.
36 posted on 08/22/2003 1:15:32 PM PDT by RightWingMama
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To: SAMWolf
"Who would you trust with the safety of our Country?"

No contest!

37 posted on 08/22/2003 1:16:09 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: JohnGalt
I can't believe any person with the title "National Security Advisor" still has a job after the 9/11 debacle.

Sandy Berger is gone.

38 posted on 08/22/2003 1:16:19 PM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: Corin Stormhands
LOL. I almost pinged you on that post, too.
39 posted on 08/22/2003 1:16:44 PM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Texas_Dawg
With a few breaks, the Democrat Party will be moribund by 2008. Condi as the GOP nominee will be like pulling the plug on them for good, and consigning them to the ash heap of history.
40 posted on 08/22/2003 1:19:09 PM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: sanchmo
Is this her? Is this the woman of steel?

National Security Chief.......

Warrior Princess..........

Obligatory Photo

41 posted on 08/22/2003 1:20:03 PM PDT by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: wardaddy; PhiKapMom
You've given me something to think about.

His name was whispered about before he even won his Senate seat back in 2000. Two years later he's heading up the NRSC. Coincidence? :-)

Of course, he will have to fight off that curse of Senators trying to win the big house.

Ma, you want to throw in your two cents on Georgie Boy?

42 posted on 08/22/2003 1:20:48 PM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: cake_crumb
Because you don't see it as an atrocity...you see it as a debacle in which our oversized, stupid, oil dependent, nation-building government was given a timely warning of the time, type and places of the attacks but didn't act.

Since it was so darned obvious, why didn't you do something?!? Hmmmm??? You obviously share the blame, since you withheld information from the rest of us.

43 posted on 08/22/2003 1:21:51 PM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: JohnGalt
Is it nice and cool in the summer under that rock?
44 posted on 08/22/2003 1:23:31 PM PDT by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks for the heads up!
45 posted on 08/22/2003 1:30:55 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Coop
"Since it was so darned obvious, why didn't you do something?!? Hmmmm??? You obviously share the blame, since you withheld information from the rest of us"

**SIGH** yes, BAD governmet, BAD. If the president or Condi had just called the psychic hotline, none of this would have happened...

46 posted on 08/22/2003 1:33:25 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: VRWCmember
Thanks, I was waiting for someone to post those so that I'd get a chance to see some new ones. Plus, I wouldn't want to be accused of admiring her "simply because she is female and attractive."
47 posted on 08/22/2003 2:03:37 PM PDT by sanchmo
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To: sanchmo
Thanks for posting and sharing this article. Condi is my nominee for

CONDI RICE - PRESIDENT 2008

against the Hildabeast. If Hillary decides to run in 2004, then I hope President Bush considers her for Vice President. She is AWESOME, IMO.

48 posted on 08/22/2003 2:04:13 PM PDT by Gracey ( All your base are belong to the Terminator)
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To: SAMWolf
Oh, SAM, thanks for the illustrations! (^:

Conde vs. Hillary:

"To win the War on Terror, we must win also win a war of ideas by appealing to the decent hopes of people throughout the world . . . giving them cause to hope for a better life and brighter future . . . and reason to reject the false and destructive comforts of bitterness, grievance, and hate. Terror grows in the absence of progress and development. It thrives in the airless space where new ideas, new hopes and new aspirations are forbidden. Terror lives when freedom dies." ~ Dr. Condoleezza Rice, June 26, 2003.
 

"I know my husband received the same intelligence information [during his presidency as did Bush]." (how would SHE know either her hubby or Bush's classified intel?) Clinton asserted that "the real question is have we obtained accurate information, or have the findings been altered for military or political purposes?" ...America should seek "a secure and solid foundation" for relations with Europe, instead of "relying only upon our [U.S.] military strength." .. "for eight years we were on the right course to a globalized and integrated world - which is coming, one way or the other." ...In the Der Spiegel interview, Clinton asserted that her husband sought to pass "effective laws" and proposed "more money" to carry out the struggle against terror, but "the Republicans prevented" measures from becoming enacted.  ~ Hillary Clinton, June 17, 2003


49 posted on 08/22/2003 2:12:34 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Troops can handle the enemy.Help them inform the world!~http://www.freerepublic.com/~ragtimecowgirl/)
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To: sanchmo
nice articles

If the whore of Babylon runs for pres. in 2008, then Condi should be the R-nominee

50 posted on 08/22/2003 2:13:46 PM PDT by Johnbalaya
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