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CD-Recordable discs unreadable in less than two years
CDFreaks.com (by way of SlashDot) ^ | 19 August 2003 | Dennis

Posted on 08/24/2003 7:12:45 AM PDT by Eala

The Dutch PC-Active magazine has done an extensive CD-R quality test. For the test the magazine has taken a look at the readability of discs, thirty different CD-R brands, that were recorded twenty months ago. The results were quite shocking as a lot of the discs simply couldn't be read anymore:

Roughly translated from Dutch:

The tests showed that a number of CD-Rs had become completely unreadable while others could only be read back partially. Data that was recorded 20 months ago had become unreadable. These included discs of well known and lesser known manufacturers.

It is presumed that CD-Rs are good for at least 10 years. Some manufacturers even claim that their CD-Rs will last up to a century. From our tests it's concluded however that there is a lot of junk on the market. We came across CD-Rs that should never have been released to the market. It's completely unacceptable that CD-Rs become unusable in less than two years.

On the image you can see the exact same CD-R. On the left you see the outcome of our tests done in 2001. On the right you see the same CD-R in 2003. The colours indicate the severeness of the errors in the following order; white, green, yellow and red whereas white indicates that the disc can be read well and red indicates that it cannot be read.

For those of you who are interested, the original Dutch article can be found here and in the September issue of PC-Active. Please discuss this subject in our Media Forum.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Technical
KEYWORDS: cd; cdr; cdrom; cdroms; cdrs; cds; quality; techindex; unreadable
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To: Publius6961
Heh heh, you know what I mean. ;)
81 posted on 08/24/2003 9:08:01 AM PDT by Semper911 (For some people, bread and circus are not enough. Hence, FreeRepublic.com)
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To: Publius6961
We had engineering work that was run at Stanford during the night and this "happened" all the time.

LOL! Well it was "original" for me. That was back in the 70's. I am dating myself now! :-)

82 posted on 08/24/2003 9:14:02 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: All
I don't see the problem here. Fifty years from now, when there's no record of music by Britanny Spears, who's going to complain?
83 posted on 08/24/2003 9:17:52 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: templar
Maybe we ought to go back to the old style of recording, but on titanium instead of vinyl for important stuff.

Nickel is the stuff to use:

Edison records still play just fine.

Sometimes they fail.

84 posted on 08/24/2003 9:24:39 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Eala
bump for later
85 posted on 08/24/2003 9:33:44 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: Physicist
That still gives me the willies to watch. What was he thinking when he picked it up!
86 posted on 08/24/2003 9:39:25 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
He was thinking, "I've done this a hundred times before".
87 posted on 08/24/2003 9:41:58 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: BushCountry
It really isn't overblown, how valuable will your CDs be 25 years from now when CD-ROM Drives don't exist?

Oh, I think it will be a few more years than that before CDs can't be read. Twenty years after turntables became obsolete, you can still buy them because there are so many vinyl records out there. If there are CDs that people want to read, the market will provide. It's not like we're going to forget how to do it, so if there is demand in the market, someone will furnish the corresponding supply.

People on this very thread have been going on about 5 1/2" drives, but you can get one here. This turned up after a quick Google search. Since CDs have a much broader array of uses than 5 1/2" floppies, I'd expect something to read CDs to be available for easily more than 25 years.

Certainly the longer term is a problem, as others have pointed out. Analog techniques like film may very well outlast digital techniques that depend on certain hardware and protocols. But I'm not worried about that for my document backups.

88 posted on 08/24/2003 9:43:58 AM PDT by Joe Bonforte
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To: Publius6961
How many reading this can read 5-1/4 inch floppies? Anyone?

I do! I do!!!

I've got a few Teac combo 1.2MB/1.44MB drives just for that purpose. Plus, somewhere in the basement, I've got an 8" SSSD floppy drive! Gotta love it! CPM-80! If you can't do it in 64K and 8 bits, it doesn't need to get done!

Mark

89 posted on 08/24/2003 9:44:41 AM PDT by MarkL (Get something every day from the four basic food groups: canned, frozen, fast and takeout)
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To: Physicist
He was thinking, "I've done this a hundred times before".

That is when errors are made much of the time. After you have done it "hundreds" of times and get complacent.

90 posted on 08/24/2003 9:44:42 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: MarkL
If you can't do it in 64K

64K???? WOW! My PDP-8 had 4K. :-)

91 posted on 08/24/2003 9:45:46 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Publius6961
And I still have a working Dual turntable and stylus.

Hey! Me too! I've got one of the Dual ULM turntables, but I never was able to get the Ortophon ULM cartridge to work well. It's still got a Stanton 681-EEE cartridge and stylus!

I guess we're both luddites! lol

Mark

92 posted on 08/24/2003 9:47:12 AM PDT by MarkL (Get something every day from the four basic food groups: canned, frozen, fast and takeout)
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To: Eala
Punched cards are the only way to go.

But always, always, always sequence-punch them!!!

And remember, when walking them over to the card reader, rubber bands are your friends!

Mark

93 posted on 08/24/2003 9:50:22 AM PDT by MarkL (Get something every day from the four basic food groups: canned, frozen, fast and takeout)
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To: Physicist
lol
94 posted on 08/24/2003 9:52:50 AM PDT by fnord ( Hyprocisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue)
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To: Physicist; aculeus; general_re; BlueLancer; hellinahandcart; AnAmericanMother; Librarina
Oh, no!

"This is a one-of-a-kind piece. There is no other one like this particular one in the world."

95 posted on 08/24/2003 9:54:57 AM PDT by dighton (NLC™)
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To: Eagle9; Grendelgrey
Thought y'all might be interested in this.
96 posted on 08/24/2003 9:55:42 AM PDT by dixie sass (GOD bless America)
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To: RadioAstronomer
If you can't do it in 64K

64K???? WOW! My PDP-8 had 4K. :-)

Yeah, but this is one of those new fangled, CPM-80 machines, with the high performance Zilog chip!

The first computer I worked on was a PDP-4, w/ 4K or RAM, and it booted from tape! Had to load the registers by hand, too! Fun!

Mark

97 posted on 08/24/2003 9:57:47 AM PDT by MarkL (Get something every day from the four basic food groups: canned, frozen, fast and takeout)
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To: MarkL
You're weird.
98 posted on 08/24/2003 9:58:59 AM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: MarkL
I guess we're both luddites! lol

I never been called a luddite before.

Packrat? yes. All the time!

Ask me about my VIC 20s...

99 posted on 08/24/2003 10:01:04 AM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: BushCountry
I am for micro-etching print (data) using lasers on metal or a hard plastic that will last for a million years.

Plastic? Good for a couple centuries max. Besides, somone somewhere, is going to think of it as a handy waterproof, decay proof fuel.

Metal? Rusts, corrodes, or worse gets melted down for other uses. Not many bronze plaques left over from Roman times. Lots of stone inscriptions, though.

Best bet, a fully oxidized material, like a ceramic or stone. Alumina might be very good, provided the size and shape doesn't lead itself to destructive uses, too thick to be broken into edged tools, too small to be used as bricks and paving stones.

Except for the data the media should be utterly useless for other applications.

100 posted on 08/24/2003 10:02:30 AM PDT by null and void (I learned all I needed to know when a møøselimb co-worker objected to my cubicle Flag. On 9/12!)
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