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ISLAMISM DISINTEGRATING and NEW FATWA KILLINGS
Iranscope ^ | 8-25-03 | Sam Ghandchi

Posted on 08/25/2003 7:43:05 PM PDT by nuconvert

ISLAMISM DISINTEGRATING and New Fatwa Killings

August 25, 2003 Iranscope Sam Ghandchi

The news from inside Iraq is that Ayatollah Mohammed Saeed al-Hakim uncle of SCIRI leader Ayatollah Mohammed Baqer al-Hakim, whose group is represented on the U.S.-backed Iraqi Governing Council, and who has been working hand in hand with the IRI terrorist Ayatollahs all these years, has been the subject of a terrorist attack, although he has survived three of his aids have died.

SCIRI leader Ayatollah Mohammed Baqer al-Hakim is the same person who basically condoned the murder of Ayatollah Khoi a few months ago.

The first time the West learned about fatwa killing was when Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa kill order for Salman Rushdie. Islamists have been doing these murders by the edicts of top Islamist Ayatollahs in Iran and elsewhere long before there even was the Islamic Republic of Iran (IRI), the way they killed Ahmad Kasravi and others, but Khomeini showed this to be a fact for anyone who would still doubt it, that Islamist highest authorities think it is legitimate to kill people for not liking their ideas, and they are the ones issuing these murder orders, which exactly was the case of Salman Rushdie.

What is new today is the broad scale of fatwa killings of rival Ayatollahs or religious leaders, with the disintegration and downfall of the Islamist movement, following the fall of Taliban in Afghanistan. With the fall of Taliban, the process of disintegration of Islamism started and has been gaining momentum ever since. From those claiming to be reformists in Iran, calling themselves Martin Luther of Islam, to those who mix Islamism with nationalism calling themselves mellimazhabi, the common reality is that the Islamic Fundamentalism of the end of 1970's is now disintegrating.

It was less than a year ago that one of the Islamists of Iran, Hashem Aghajari, a so-called "reformist", received a fatwa death edict and later received a death verdict in the official court of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Aghajari was a hard line Islamist who, while being under a death fatwa by the mollahs, he still supported Ayatollah Khomeini's death fatwa against Salman Rushdie, a fatwa which he had supported from day one of that edict, and all those years he had been a hardliner helping Ayatollah Khomeini. This is why a few weeks ago I wrote that Aghajari does not deserve a Noble Peace Prize, when he was being considered for one.

What has just happened in Iraq is like a movie of mafia Godfathers issuing death sentence for each other. They are fighting for the position of the head of the failed Islamist mafia. On one side of Iraq, the Sheik Muqtada al-Sadr claims to be the one running the show, and in another corner, SCIRI leader Ayatollah Mohammed Baqer al-Hakim with the help of IRI leaders worked to secure more positions in the US-led Iraqi leadership council.

And there are more moderate Ayatollahs like Sistani who asked people to help the U.S. forces in Iraq at the time of Iraq War, while at the same time said not to help the U.S.!! And even now there are Ayatollahs like the grandson of Ayatollah Khomeini who has gone to Iraq and is asking the U.S. to invade Iran to put his group in charge of Islam, when the Iranian people do not want any invasion.

One thing that surely all these events show is that Islamic fundamentalism in the Middle East is disintegrating more and more, since the fall of Taleban, and anyone who thinks to get some modified version of Islamism in place, is making the same error as those who were hoping to create a moderate Saddam regime after the 1991 Gulf War.

Contrary to the opinion of some so-called experts of Middle East, moderating Islamism is not what the Middle Eastern people want. One thing that surely all these events show is that Islamic fundamentalism in the Middle East is disintegrating more and more, since the fall of Taleban, Just as they were afraid to say they do not want Saddam until they saw Saddam did not have the power to hurt them, they will not say they do not want the Islamists, until they know Islamists have no power over them.

Many people still think US and especially UK are behind the Islamic leaders and the mollahs spread these rumors more so that people think they have no choice to get rid of them for good, the same way that Saddam till the last minute tried to tell the Iraqi people that Western democracies wanted his regime in the region and told people it was all on the surface when Western powers called for the end of his regime.

The Islamists have always tried to deceive the people that the West is behind them, to gain legitimacy, and to dissuade people feeling helpless that there is no choice when the world's major forces want to keep mollahs in power in the Middle East. Many mollahs point to the support of the West for Saudi Arabia as a proof that the West wants Islamism in the region.

This may sound incredible to some Western thinkers who still think mollahs have a great following among the people, that the people inside Iran at the risk of losing their life openly say that they do not want the mollahs, and in fact rather than mollahs helping the U.S. by any pro-U.S. gestures, they try to use the deception of Western support for mollahs, to get the people to follow them in their own country.

Mollahs "popularity" is just like Saddam's 100% vote. It is all from fear. The people living under dictatorships act in a different way from those living under a democracy. And in Iraq, Ayatollah Baqer al-Hakim at the time of Iraq War and even to this day, on one hand tries to give the impression that the West wants him in power, and on the other hand speaks against the West and Secularism and Western democracies, the same way Khomeini acted during and after the 1979 Revolution until the hostage crisis.

The reason for all the current chaos is that Islamists are trying to save the ship of their murderous order of Slaves of the Islamist God . The order which has suppressed the Middle Eastern people all these years, and the Islamists are now at the end of their road, when people are calling for full secularism. The Western diplomats can ask Ayatollah Hakim if he is willing to condemn fatwa killing in Islam now that his own family have been its target?

It is ironic that on the eve of the murderous action of Islamists on Sept 11th, when Islamists claimed that the world wants them to continue their atrocities, and they kept talking of hate for Americans abroad, more and more the people of the Middle East are passing a hand of rejection to the Islamists, and not just the people who do not care for religion or Islam, but even a great majority of Muslims do not want to hear or see the Islamists anymore, and have had enough murder and terror of the Islamists especially in the last 30 years.

The people of the Middle East want nothing less than full secularism in the region and the so-called Western experts who try to create another moderated variety of Islamist regimes for the people of the region should listen to the Middle East, when people do not fear the soldiers of Islamism. What a change in the region after the fall of Taleban.

http://www.ghandchi.com/245-Hakim.htm


TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alhakim; fatwa; governingcouncil; iran; iraq; islam; islamicreformation; islamism; middleeast; najaf; qom; rebuildingiraq; religion; sadr; sciri; shia; shiite; shiites; taleban; taliban; worldopinion
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"...the common reality is that the Islamic Fundamentalism of the end of 1970's is now disintegrating." "The order which has suppressed the Middle Eastern people all these years, and the Islamists are now at the end of their road, when people are calling for full secularism."
1 posted on 08/25/2003 7:43:06 PM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
"With the fall of Taliban, the process of disintegration of Islamism started and has been gaining momentum ever since"
2 posted on 08/25/2003 7:44:42 PM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
Lord, I hope this is true. If so the world is going to truly change. But the desperate ones will cause trouble for years to come.
3 posted on 08/25/2003 7:49:21 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl
"The people of the Middle East want nothing less than full secularism in the region"

"Lord, I hope this is true."

The struggle for a secular democratic government is going on right now in Iran. The media does not cover this important story enough.
4 posted on 08/25/2003 7:56:31 PM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
What evidence does he adduce in support of the assertion that Islamisism is disintigrating?
5 posted on 08/25/2003 8:01:21 PM PDT by nathanbedford (qqua)
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To: nuconvert
These are some of the most important articles we have access to. It's good to hear about the reaction of people to what's happening in Iraq today.
6 posted on 08/25/2003 8:01:45 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: nuconvert
"...calling for full secularism.."

I really, really, doubt that.

What they are calling for is an islamism that does not leave them sleeping on dirt floors and wondering when someone with an automatic rifle will come for a visit.

These people are not ready for secularism without a promise that god wills it...kind of hard to come by.

Until they realize that there is no freedom to practice their own beliefs unless others can do the same - it's gonna be mob rule under cover of faith.

Deal with it.


7 posted on 08/25/2003 8:04:44 PM PDT by norton (armed force ain't always as bad as it sounds)
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To: nuconvert
It is ironic that on the eve of the murderous action of Islamists on Sept 11th, when Islamists claimed that the world wants them to continue their atrocities, and they kept talking of hate for Americans abroad, more and more the people of the Middle East are passing a hand of rejection to the Islamists, and not just the people who do not care for religion or Islam, but even a great majority of Muslims do not want to hear or see the Islamists anymore, and have had enough murder and terror of the Islamists especially in the last 30 years.

That is exactly what we want. Kick in the rotting door of this fetid and failed ideology.

8 posted on 08/25/2003 8:12:22 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: nathanbedford
(It's an editorial)

"more and more the people of the Middle East are passing a hand of rejection to the Islamists, and not just the people who do not care for religion or Islam, but even a great majority of Muslims do not want to hear or see the Islamists anymore, and have had enough murder and terror of the Islamists especially in the last 30 years."

"The people inside Iran at the risk of losing their life, openly say they do not want the mollahs in power in the Middle East."
9 posted on 08/25/2003 8:15:34 PM PDT by nuconvert
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To: norton
"I really, really, doubt that.
Deal with it. "

Read more..........
11 posted on 08/25/2003 8:22:57 PM PDT by nuconvert
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To: seamole
"1 billion more people who want George W. Bush to win in 2004."

lol

"The media does not cover this important story enough."

Any connection?
12 posted on 08/25/2003 8:27:01 PM PDT by nuconvert
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If this is what they want, and I do not believe it is, then Islam cannot provide it to them. Islam has too many base level contradictions. By its very nature it refuses to accept outside influence, but it is incapable of internal reform. If you criticize Islam, you can be killed. If you opt out of Islam you can be killed. If you do not accept Islam you will either be a second class citizen or dead. There is no room for thought or critical thinking outside of the Koran as it is the word of “god”.

Christianity accepts, actual requires critical thought and introspection. Jesus invited all to discuss and question everything. Islam does not allow any of these.

Talk, talk talk, just like the Palis. Like a previous post tonight, they are addicted, to hate, to evil, to death. I’ll believe it when I see it………….

14 posted on 08/25/2003 8:38:39 PM PDT by schu
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"There is no room for thought or critical thinking outside of the Koran as it is the word of “god”."

"Christianity accepts, actual requires critical thought..."

And the Bible for many Christians, isn't the word of God?
15 posted on 08/25/2003 8:46:25 PM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert
"The Islamists have always tried to deceive the people that the West is behind them, to gain legitimacy..."

You mean the press that has built up an image of these guys as righteous warriors of Islam has been covering for what is actually mealy-mouthed craven liars fighting for their corner of the kibbles bowl? When they've finished reducing their own numbers SAS & the teams need some exercise.
16 posted on 08/25/2003 8:49:11 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (They're not bad, they're just misunderstood. Right.)
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To: nuconvert
I, and many others, believe the Bible is the word of God. But Christianity does not condem you or kill you for questioning this word, Islam does.

I am unsure what your point is?

17 posted on 08/25/2003 8:49:59 PM PDT by schu
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To: schu
Condi is on C-SPAN now (today's rerun).
19 posted on 08/25/2003 8:53:22 PM PDT by Consort
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To: nuconvert
Well ding dong the witch of a movement/false religion is dying.
20 posted on 08/25/2003 8:54:56 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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