..ARNOLD leads by 6 = RUDY endorses ARNOLD..

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[GiveEmDubya]

""The LA Times poll was a load. And reported ad nauseum to boot.""

CNN must have reported it every 5 minutes yesterday morning. (No, I wasn't watching CNN on my own, it was on in a coffee shop when I had breakfast yesterday.) Not to mention, Soledad O'Brien seemed to be having multiple orga$ms just thinking about it.

[DoughtyOne]

It turned my stomach to watch FoxNews herald this poll with germane commentary as if the numbers were both timely and accurate. They were neither.

[Reagan Man]

We part company here, my friend.

Here's a response I gave to "Miss Marple" this morning. I think it deserves repeating. IMO, it says it all.

>>>People who wish to win elections (as opposed to simply proving their intellectual superiority or dividing the party)...
99 posted on 08/26/2003 4:53 AM MDT by Miss Marple

Conservative Republican's have bitten the bullet on occasions in the past, covering many election cycles. We have always tried to keep a positive, optimistic and winning attitude, with election victory as the target goal. Sometimes we've had to accept a candidate whose a social moderate and a fiscal conservative. Sometimes conservatives have even accepted a candidate whose both a social and fiscal moderate. Occasionally, conservatives even accept a social liberal, whose a fiscal conservative. Rudi Guliani is a good example. But this can only go so far.

Even George W.Bush, who ran as a fiscal conservative, has governed as a moderate conservative Republican. Bush has stuck with a strong set of social conservative beliefs and values, while taking a more moderate approach, if not an outright liberal position towards increases in spending by the federal government. And I'm not talking about increases in military spending or homeland security either. I'm talking about non-defense related discretionary spending.

What exists in California right now, is a situation whereby, a famous and respected Hollywood actor is attempting to become governor. Republican's, including its conservative base, have been bending over backwards to give Arnold Schwarzenegger the benefit of the doubt, whenever and wherever possible. This includes, a complete pass on the bedrock principles of the GOP, responsibility found in fiscal conservatism. Instead of holding Rnold's feet to the fire and demanding accountability, demanding he release some specifics and details of his economic recovery plan for California, many Republicans have become infatuated with Rnold's candidacy and blinded by an irrational desire to throw away commonsense, in an effort to win the California governorship. This type of behavior isn't consistent with the basic tenets of the political agenda promoted by the conservative movement in America today. In my book, it's anti-GOP, its destructive and it's pathetic.

Conservatives aren't asking Schwarzenegger to suddenly change his positions on social issues. Rnold is pro-abortion, pro-gay rights and pro-gun control and its doubtful he would even consider such a decision. Rather, conservative Republican's demand that Rnold publically release, exactly what specific financial and economic plans he has in mind for the Golden State. With California in total meltdown, it makes no sense for conservative Republican's to blindly support any candidate, who isn't willing to express his political viewpoints in an open, fair and honest fashion.

Rnold started out his campaign with platitudes and his press conference last Wednesday was filled with generalities. No candidate, not PresBush43, not even Reagan, would ever get this cosnervative Republican's vote, if they presented such hollow rhetoric and such a shallow agenda in their public pronouncments, as Rnold has.

Most conservative Republican's, what I call the the loyal rank and file crowd, want to rid the GOP of people like Olympia Snowe, Arlen Spector, Susan Collins and Lincoln Chaffey. Therefore, it makes no sense whatsoever, for Republican's to mount such a serious effort to elect Arnold Schwarzenegger the next governor of California.

[autoresponder]

Exit south to Cuba.

They have as much Conservatism as you have in California now.

Lots of pro-AZTLAN posters on FR now.

Ah-Noldt can and will win.

All CA purists do is talk and lose and lose and lose.

If you want the Big Boob agenda so badly why not just move to Mexico before the recall vote!

P.S. - Any one else having problemos accessing their "My Comments" FR page?

FReemail no problemo, but........

"My Comments" page is never accessible; last 3 days only; a blank gray page after 5 minutes?

[autoresponder]

Mark Green is as bad as Betsy Gotbaum; the NYC idiot next in line after Bloomberg!

NYC provides no choices since Rudy got term limited out.

80% dem/lib voter registration!

[autoresponder]

FR is really an IQ test isn't it?

[montag813]

This will hurt, but Rudy also endorsed....the current guy in New York... :(

Yes, reluctantly, since he despises Pataki's benefactor, Al D'Amato. Who I now also despise, given that he is a paid lobbyist for the United Federation of Teachers (UFT). Soulless bastard.

[hotpotato]

I've grown accustomed to this with the Arnold crowd and it's made me think less of their position. Why would you resort to the same? Believe me, this will hurt, not help your position.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

RUDY endorsing SIMON got SIMON past RIORDAN during the 2002 California Primary.

[RebelBanker]

"Most conservative Republican's, what I call the the loyal rank and file crowd, want to rid the GOP of people like Olympia Snowe, Arlen Spector, Susan Collins and Lincoln Chaffey."

So, you WANT to be a permanent and impotent minority? Personally, I would rather try to encourage our backsliding brothers and sisters to be more conservative, not push them away.

The Dems are really good at incrementalism (remember, it is a Communist specialty)so they are willing to just keep nudging things in their direction until everyting falls. Meanwhile, 'loyal Republicans' help them by pushing away or refusing to support anyone who fails to meet their absolute purity test.

...Sigh....

[ALOHA RONNIE]

REPUBICANS losing this time in California =

President HILLARY in 2004

[hotpotato]

This argument is moot. The bill, SB 1301, was signed by Davis last year. See:

http://www.ppacca.org/news/read.asp?ID=193

[unspun]

is "life" on the ballot?

Always.

So, you would say that money is on the ballot?

[normy]

I guess if GWB was running for Prez against Tom Delay and Hillary Clinton and Hillary was up by 2 points because 15% was voting for Delay that would be ok with you. You would vote for Delay and let the country go to Hillary. You are the kind of guy who got Clinton elected in the first place.

[normy]

I guess if GWB was running for Prez against Tom Delay and Hillary Clinton and Hillary was up by 2 points because 15% was voting for Delay that would be ok with you. You would vote for Delay and let the country go to Hillary. You are the kind of guy who got Clinton elected in the first place.

[normy]

I guess if GWB was running for Prez against Tom Delay and Hillary Clinton and Hillary was up by 2 points because 15% was voting for Delay that would be ok with you. You would vote for Delay and let the country go to Hillary. You are the kind of guy who got Clinton elected in the first place.

[hotpotato]

I've grown accustomed to this with the Arnold crowd

This is confusing. I should have said "anti-Arnold crowd".

[The Old Hoosier]

That's a rather facile interpretation. We know Bustamante plans to hike taxes by $10 billion, and we can bet the Republicans won't give him the two-thirds vote he needs for that. So then he's going to put it on the ballot, where it will lose, and he'll be in a very weak position as governor.

Also, I don't see how a Governor Arnold helps Bush that much. He's already demonstrated that he won't know what he's doing once elected--he needs a 60-day audit to make any suggestions for spending cuts? He won't touch education, which is almost half the budget?--so when the situation worsens under Arnold, people will blame Republicans.

[Reagan Man]

>>>So, you WANT to be a permanent and impotent minority?

The GOP controls the Executive and Legislative branches of the federal government. They should start acting like they know what to do with such enourmous power and influence.

Incrementalism is fine, but up to a point. I want conservatism to triumph over liberalism. Period.

I suggest, you read my post again.

[DoughtyOne]

By reducing the full budget, the dollar amount required to sustain education's slice, is reduced as well.

If Bush thinks A.S. will make a good governor, I'm comfortable with voting for him if McClintok's numbers don't indicate he can get elected.