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Free Republic Founder Supports Tom McClintock!
Jim Robinson ^

Posted on 08/26/2003 8:22:02 PM PDT by ambrose

Free Republic Founder Supports McClintock



TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 26kdollarwelfaretom; isupportarnold; realconservative; sayno2rinos; vote4mcclintock
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To: tubebender

Go Dogs!! Go McClintock!!

64 posted on 08/19/2003 12:10 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: tophat9000

I don't follow Rush so if you get his "op-ed" please post it and ping me. Tanx!

65 posted on 08/19/2003 12:13 PM PDT by kellynla ("C" 1/5 1st Mar. Div. An Hoa, Viet Nam '69 & '70 Semper Fi)
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To: Jim Robinson

"Go McClintock!!" Is that an endorsement?

66 posted on 08/19/2003 12:14 PM PDT by kellynla ("C" 1/5 1st Mar. Div. An Hoa, Viet Nam '69 & '70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

I'd like to see him elected.

67 posted on 08/19/2003 12:19 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: Jim Robinson
1 posted on 08/26/2003 8:22:03 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: All
So all of you RINOs on here who are accusing McClintock supporters of being "DU Disruptors" can kiss my grits.
2 posted on 08/26/2003 8:23:35 PM PDT by ambrose (Property Taxes are Too Low, Vote for Ahnold!)
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To: ambrose
Well, there's a shocker... ;0)
3 posted on 08/26/2003 8:24:07 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (My Doc said I'm paranoid, and gave me pills. I don't take them cuz I think he's trying to kill me...)
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I Think he is going to drop out. If he does, will you support Arnold?
4 posted on 08/26/2003 8:25:58 PM PDT by Partisan Hack
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I'm torn between the porn star and Gary Coleman.
5 posted on 08/26/2003 8:27:59 PM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: ambrose
So?
6 posted on 08/26/2003 8:28:59 PM PDT by per loin
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To: ambrose
So all of you RINOs on here who are accusing McClintock supporters of being "DU Disruptors" can kiss my grits.

It's not what you're saying it's how you say it. McClintock supporters are very abrasive. Everything is Anti-Arnold ... not Pro-McClintock.

And you folks haven't explained how McClintock will garner enough votes in a state with a lot or Democrats.

7 posted on 08/26/2003 8:29:51 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Why is the Left afraid of Arnold?)
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To: Jim Robinson
So does this mean you're for the soft chicken taco or the beef burrito?
8 posted on 08/26/2003 8:29:59 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Jim Robinson
"No matter what storm".
9 posted on 08/26/2003 8:31:23 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: Partisan Hack
The Conservatives will act in California as the Libertarians do usually: POE Link.

There's nothing wrong in sticking to one's guns but one shouldn't whine about undesired outcomes.

10 posted on 08/26/2003 8:31:36 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: ambrose
OK.

How do you propose to get McClintock elected in this state, without any money, and with only five weeks of campaigning left?

A conservative voter I know said, "Tom McClintock? Didn't he run for something in 2002 and lose?"
11 posted on 08/26/2003 8:32:21 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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"Go Dogs!! Go McClintock!! "


go tom; go duke...

12 posted on 08/26/2003 8:32:44 PM PDT by hoot2
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Well, there's a shocker...

No kidding.

I think the point these froth-at-the-mouth mclintites miss is we all support conservative values and candidates that represent them. The problem is...getting someone like that elected in far-left California is next to impossible. But you can't explain even the obvious to someone who refuses to listen.

13 posted on 08/26/2003 8:33:57 PM PDT by South40 (Get Right Or Get Left)
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To: hoot2
re #12: I Love that show!
14 posted on 08/26/2003 8:34:07 PM PDT by zlala
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To: ambrose
Main Entry: prin·ci·ple
Pronunciation: 'prin(t)-s(&-)p&l, -s&-b&l
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, modification of Middle French principe, from Latin principium beginning, from princip-, princeps initiator -- more at PRINCE
Date: 14th century
1 a : a comprehensive and fundamental law, doctrine, or assumption b (1) : a rule or code of conduct (2) : habitual devotion to right principles <a man of principle>
15 posted on 08/26/2003 8:35:18 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: hoot2
Since you brought up the "Duke".
16 posted on 08/26/2003 8:36:50 PM PDT by mdittmar
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"Is that an endorsement?"

I expect so. It would be a pretty obscure way to tell Senator Tom to vamoose!

That's parsing for you, though! It bears fruit for lawyers.

This is a lucky break for you, eh? No more taking crap from the Arndroids. ;^)
17 posted on 08/26/2003 8:37:01 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: South40
"The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me."

- Abraham Lincoln

18 posted on 08/26/2003 8:37:05 PM PDT by ambrose (Property Taxes are Too Low, Vote for Ahnold!)
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To: spodefly
Main Entry: prag·ma·tism
Pronunciation: 'prag-m&-"ti-z&m
Function: noun
Date: circa 1864
1 : a practical approach to problems and affairs <tried to strike a balance between principles and pragmatism>
19 posted on 08/26/2003 8:37:21 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator
Is this a vanity? I thought they were frowned on. /sarcasm
20 posted on 08/26/2003 8:38:37 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig ("Here's your one chance, Fancy don't let me down.")
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To: kellynla
My #17 is a reply to your #66.

Crazy!
21 posted on 08/26/2003 8:40:09 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: ambrose
Anybody watching Hardball tonight! Jerry Brown, mayor of Oakland is building up McClintock ... says don't fool around with conservatives ...

Why are liberals trying to pump up McClintock so much ... I have seen Art Torres do this twice in the last week.

22 posted on 08/26/2003 8:40:27 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Why is the Left afraid of Arnold?)
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To: BunnySlippers
Why are liberals trying to pump up McClintock so much

Because they fear Arnold and they want Mc and supporters to wage war on the projected winner, Arnold.

23 posted on 08/26/2003 8:45:19 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: South40
I think the point these froth-at-the-mouth mclintites miss is we all support conservative values and candidates that represent them.

Sure you do. That's why every time a McClintock update thread appears, you guys descend upon it with terms like "The unelectable...," "McNader," "Mr. 4%" (guess that one needs updating, huh?), etc.

The problem is...getting someone like that elected in far-left California is next to impossible.

And of course, knee-jerk bashing of the candidate and his supporters as soon as the campaign gets started really helps the cause, doesn't it?

But you can't explain even the obvious to someone who refuses to listen.

You mean like suggesting that someone give the conservative candidate a chance to run some ads, get some exposure and appear in some debates before surrendering to the compromise candidate? If that's what you mean, you're absolutely right.

24 posted on 08/26/2003 8:45:54 PM PDT by william clark
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To: BunnySlippers
Why are liberals trying to pump up McClintock so much

You calling Jim Robinson a liberal??!!

25 posted on 08/26/2003 8:49:24 PM PDT by ambrose (Property Taxes are Too Low, Vote for Ahnold!)
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To: ambrose
Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position. Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc.

They really don't have a clue. Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right. There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds. Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail. But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default. Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails. Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has.

One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign. Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate. If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.

Wellstone has just one strategy. That is to cost the Republican candidate his base. He knows the Republican candidate has enough center to defeat him. But if the Republican base can be made to sit on its hands or protest vote then Wellstone can prevail.

In politics it is called using wedge issues. The right has a very large number of wedgeable members. The left really enjoys driving the wedge to make them do things counter productive to their goals.

When you talk to people who fall for negative campaigning, they always tell you that when the right guy comes along to sell the right views, his side will prevail.

You keep saying to yourself that people can't be that dumb.... but experience proves that they are.
26 posted on 08/26/2003 8:50:55 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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Jim: With all due respect, please see post 26. Buff
27 posted on 08/26/2003 8:53:58 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Poohbah
First, you have to dare to believe. Then, you have to stick to your guns. Finally, you have to accept the results of having "made a decision." Conservatives don't have a Herd-mentality, therefore, they can't be stampeded into accepting decisions other people have made for them!
Quitters are anathema to conservetives; therefore, they are disliked by the more pliant among us! Hmmm, "two-legs bad, four-legs good," where have I heard that before?
28 posted on 08/26/2003 8:54:13 PM PDT by old school
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To: Buffalo Head; Common Tator
you should bump a person if/when you talk about him on a thread
29 posted on 08/26/2003 8:55:00 PM PDT by ambrose (Property Taxes are Too Low, Vote for Ahnold!)
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To: Partisan Hack
McClintock will not drop out.
30 posted on 08/26/2003 8:55:25 PM PDT by It's me
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To: BunnySlippers
Because they KNOW that Tom is going to lose, that if enough Conservatives refuse to vote for Arnold, he'll lose too, and it's a great way of getting Cruz elected easily.
31 posted on 08/26/2003 8:59:00 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ambrose
Wouldn't just linking to JimRob's response on that other thread be more appropriate and less deceptive? Your effort to make this look like JimRob posting a thread endorsing McClintock is less than FReeper-like.

It also may run FR and JimRob in violation of Campaign Finance Reform regulations (not that JimRob or I are any fans of CFR, but it is the law.)
32 posted on 08/26/2003 9:00:36 PM PDT by anymouse
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Yeah!!!!

Simon Vs. Davis Part Deux!!!!


W0ot! Lose one for the gipper!
33 posted on 08/26/2003 9:03:15 PM PDT by Tempest
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Who on FR doesn't?
34 posted on 08/26/2003 9:03:17 PM PDT by TheDon (Why do liberals always side with the enemies of the US?)
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Free Republic Founder Supports McClintock

So do many of its members.

35 posted on 08/26/2003 9:04:08 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: old school; hchutch
First, you have to dare to believe.

Apparently, the first step is to mouth a useless platitude that will have zero practical effect on the problem at hand.

Then, you have to stick to your guns.

Hmm. The second step is to mouth another useless platitude that will have zero practical effect on the problem at hand.

When I hear stuff that sounds like something Dilbert's Pointy-Haired Boss would say before making a really stupid decision...I start worrying.

Finally, you have to accept the results of having "made a decision."

Conservatives in this state have made a long-standing string of decisions, none of them with successful results. They have opted for the "perfect" instead of the "good enough," lost elections, and then watched from the sidelines as the Democrats got their way without even working for it.

If you want more of the same, fine--I don't. Tell me what practical steps we take to get McClintock past the problem of zero name recognition, zero money, zero time to get either, and zero appeal outside of the minority of voters.

Conservatives don't have a Herd-mentality, therefore, they can't be stampeded into accepting decisions other people have made for them!

Conservatives are an extremely small minority in this state, and McClintock has zero appeal (and zero time/money to build any appeal) outside of the conservative community.

Ronald Reagan in 1966 would not have been pure enough for you; you would have refused to support him because he talked to the ritually unclean voter (i.e., the centrist).

Quitters are anathema to conservetives; therefore, they are disliked by the more pliant among us!

Gosh, forgive me for pointing out that McClintock has some difficult tasks...and very little time or resources to accomplish those tasks with.

Hmmm, "two-legs bad, four-legs good," where have I heard that before?

"Fiddle-dee-dee, I'll think about that tomorrow." Where did I hear THAT, Miz Scarlett?

36 posted on 08/26/2003 9:05:51 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: Buffalo Head; Common Tator
CT is right, dangit. We represent the VRWC, du represents the socialist "progressives." Neither side will ever win a majority if we doggedly stick to our far from center candidate.

If McClintock stays in the race, he'll split the R vote and the D will win. (UNLESS Arnold screws up -- It's probably his race to lose.)

Not until we homeschool, not until we bail out of liberal churches, not until we arm our younger voters with ammunition to fight off collectivism and moral relativism, will we ever be able to turn this country around. Our young people are being brainwashed in public institutions.

Sadly, today I agree with CT. But I hope I can live long enough to see that become passe!
37 posted on 08/26/2003 9:06:25 PM PDT by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: william clark
Sure you do. That's why every time a McClintock update thread appears, you guys descend upon it with terms like "The unelectable...," "McNader," "Mr. 4%" (guess that one needs updating, huh?), etc.

"You guys?" You must have me confused with someone else. I think he's unelectable but I hardly descend upon every thread. And, yes...it does need updating as today's poll has him at...what...11% to Arnold's 40 something?

And of course, knee-jerk bashing of the candidate and his supporters as soon as the campaign gets started really helps the cause, doesn't it?

Sorry bub...but you're confused again. I've bashed no one. I've merely stated my opinion that the likelyhood of a mcclintock win in far-left California is unlikely. The bashing, or what I've seen of it, is all being done by mclintites to anyone who dares disagree with them.

You mean like suggesting that someone give the conservative candidate a chance to run some ads, get some exposure and appear in some debates before surrendering to the compromise candidate? If that's what you mean, you're absolutely right.

He can have all the chances you or he wants. I still think he'd stand little chance in the liberal state of California. In case you're confused again, that's not bashing, it's just my opinion.

38 posted on 08/26/2003 9:08:30 PM PDT by South40 (Get Right Or Get Left)
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To: anymouse
Anyone who supports and defends liberals is the enemy.
39 posted on 08/26/2003 9:13:17 PM PDT by Afronaut
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To: Tempest
I love it. This is like going to watch the Rams play just because you feel like rooting for the losing team.

40 posted on 08/26/2003 9:14:20 PM PDT by Tempest
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To: ambrose
I was just saying pretty much the same thing.
41 posted on 08/26/2003 9:15:46 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Welcome to the Iraq Roach Motel - Islamofascists check in, but they don't check out!)
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To: william clark
You mean like suggesting that someone give the conservative candidate a chance to run some ads

Ads cost money. McClintock doesn't have any. He doesn't have much time to raise it. And he doesn't have a lot of time left for those ads to be effective. The window is slamming shut on his campaign.

Given this reality, McClintock's run reminds me of the great pastime that has done more to get Democrats elected and conservatives shut out in this state than anything else: the vanity candidacy.

Conservative candidates in California have a penchant for beating each other to pieces in the primary phase, because they're all in love with themselves and refuse to say, "Ah, shucks. I have about as much chance of getting the primary win as I do of getting a date with that babe-a-licious sweet young thang over at the condo swimming pool, I'll bow out and back ol' Joe for the slot, he'll do an OK job until he's termed out."

42 posted on 08/26/2003 9:15:51 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I won't say what my source is to mention this, but I know this subject is on the table in back rooms in California. If McClintock and Schwarzenegger run as a ticket -- McClintock for Lt. Gov. -- with a demand that Bustamante resign if he loses the election, would that satisfy your interests?

(If Bustamante refuses to resign, he could be assigned an office in the executive washroom, and McClintock would take his office as Lt. Gov. ad hoc. Remember, you heard this here, first.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "In the Justices We Trust?" posted on FR, other publication to come.

43 posted on 08/26/2003 9:24:17 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob ("Don't just stand there. Run for Congress." www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Congressman Billybob
There's no provision in the state constitution for any such ticket.
44 posted on 08/26/2003 9:26:42 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: South40
"You guys?" You must have me confused with someone else. I think he's unelectable but I hardly descend upon every thread.

My mistake. I guess it's because you're spouting the same cowardly nonsense as a number of others.

And, yes...it does need updating as today's poll has him at...what...11% to Arnold's 40 something?

Actually, I think around 17% is the latest. Not that I'd expect you to be impressed by a 13% jump in less than a week's time. I mean, when has momentum ever been a factor in an election?

Sorry bub...but you're confused again. I've bashed no one.

Well, gee, I seem to recall someone using the derogatory term "McClintites." Pardon my mistake.

I've merely stated my opinion that the likelyhood of a mcclintock win in far-left California is unlikely.

Oh, so the rest of it was a collection of typos? As for his chances, Simon came pretty close to getting elected with no political experience and an inept campaign. But of course, why should we think that a man could be elected who's well-versed in California politics, capable of running a competent campaign, and who not only has articulated a plan to turn things around, but is already working to undo the car tax hike?

The bashing, or what I've seen of it, is all (nothing like a good generalization to add credibility to your argument) being done by mclintites (say, I've heard that term somewhere before) to anyone who dares disagree with them.

He can have all the chances you or he wants. I still think he'd stand little chance in the liberal state of California.

Still, best to be on the safe side and offer dire warnings to everyone who'll listen about the danger of allowing him to continue in the race for awhile, right?

In case you're confused again, that's not bashing, it's just my opinion.

Nope. You're clear as crystal. Downright see-through.

45 posted on 08/26/2003 9:27:37 PM PDT by william clark
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To: ambrose
Using the owner's opinion does nothing to bolster anyone's argument. It's a cheap debating tactic.
46 posted on 08/26/2003 9:28:41 PM PDT by Sir Gawain (When does the next Crusade start?)
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To: BunnySlippers
Why are liberals trying to pump up McClintock so much

Most likely said already, but what the hell..
Their doing it for "division of the voting base".
Same thing we try to do to them.

47 posted on 08/26/2003 9:29:16 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (carpe ductum)
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To: nopardons
I'm with you.

McKlintock is a fine fellow but he is dead in every poll...even in this whacky free for all.

If it's between Cruz and Arnold then that is a no brainer.

Nothing against JR, but doesn't he usually lecture us on being pragmatic for the long term goals.

Voting for McKlintock, whom I of course prefer ideologically seems Quixotic at this juncture.

48 posted on 08/26/2003 9:30:58 PM PDT by wardaddy ("when shrimps learn to whistle")
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To: Congressman Billybob
That's an interesting tidbit. Thanks for sharing, Billybob.
49 posted on 08/26/2003 9:31:37 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: per loin
What is Uberoth (sp?) doing in this race?
50 posted on 08/26/2003 9:33:02 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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