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Ministers Who Say Judge Moore Acted Improperly Need To Tear Daniel Six Out Of Their Bibles!
Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon ^ | Aug 29, 2003 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 08/28/2003 8:50:50 PM PDT by xzins

Those Ministers Who Say Judge Moore Acted Improperly Need To Tear Daniel Chapter Six Out Of Their Bibles!

By Chuck Baldwin

Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon August 29, 2003 I have listened to minister after minister publicly rebuke Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore saying, as a Christian, he should have obeyed federal judge Myron Thompson's unlawful order to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the Alabama Judicial Building. Those ministers need to reread Daniel chapter six.

Daniel was a government official in the court of King Darius. In fact, Daniel was the second-in-command answering only to the king. Yet, when Darius issued his command that everyone in the kingdom not pray to God for thirty days, Daniel openly and defiantly disobeyed.

I've heard ministers say Judge Moore was wrong not to take down the monument and wait for his appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court to be decided. However, if this logic would have prevailed in the mind and heart of Daniel, the great story of Daniel in the lion's den would not appear in Scripture. After all, Darius' order against prayer was only for thirty days. Using the logic of today's ministers, Daniel should have merely suspended his prayers for thirty days, and everything would have been all right.

Instead, Daniel immediately went home, threw open his windows, and prayed to God as he always had done. He would not postpone his convictions for even thirty days!

Like Judge Roy Moore, Daniel believed that there is a higher authority than the king. Furthermore, he believed that human governments do not have the right to interfere with religious conscience, in or out of the public square.

Also take into account that Daniel lived under a monarchy. Darius' word was the law of the land. However, Americans do not live (yet) under a monarchy. A federal judge is not king; his word is not automatically law. Under our constitutional republic, whenever a federal judge, or any other government official, rules outside his constitutional authority, his ruling must be considered unlawful and irrelevant.

When Daniel disobeyed the law of King Darius, he had only the law of moral conscience behind him. Judge Moore has, not only the law of moral conscience, but the supreme law of the land (the U.S. Constitution) behind him!

Of all people, Christian ministers should flock to Judge Moore's assistance! That they aren't proves they are either ignorant of the lawlessness of this federal judge's actions, or they do not have the courage of their convictions.

One thing is sure: those ministers who condemn Judge Roy Moore's actions should tear the story of Daniel out of their Bibles, and never teach it again. If Daniel was right, Roy Moore is right!

© Chuck Baldwin

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To: xzins
You know steve it is just a matter of time before these atheist fanatics attack the names of cities, counties and states and demand that they change the names of their towns.

Saint Paul
Saint Petersburg
Saint Augustine
Saint Louis
San Andreas
San Anselmo
San Bernardino
San Bruno
San Carlos
San Clemente
San Diego
San Dimas
San Fernando
San Francisco
San Gabriel
San Geronimo
San Gregorio
San Jacinto
San Joaquin
San Jose
San Juan Bautista
San Juan Capistrano
San Leandro
San Lorenzo
San Luis Obispo
San Luis Rey
San Marcos
San Marino
San Martin
San Mateo
San Miguel
San Onofre
San Pablo
San Pedro
San Quentin
San Rafael
San Ramon
San Simeon
San Ysidr0)
Santa Ana
Santa Ana Heights
Santa Barbara
Santa Clara
Santa Clarita
Santa Cruz
Santa Fe Springs
Santa Margarita
Santa Maria
Santa Monica
Santa Paula
Santa Rosa
Santa Ynez
Santa Ysabel
Los Angeles
Sacramento
Saint Clair
Saint Davids
Saint Johns
Saint Marys
Saint Peters
Quakertown
Mount Carmel
San Angelo
San Antonio
San Augustine
San Benito
San Elizario
San Juan
San Leon
San Marcos
San Saba
Christ's Church
Corpus Christi
Providence
Paradise


61 posted on 08/28/2003 10:00:08 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Milquetoast Q. Whitebread is alive!)
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To: foghornleghorn
See post #30....at the end.

I'm convinced that Moore wanted to use the straight forward argument that no religion was established AND that the Alabama constitution says that Almighty God is the ultimate authority.

This is the most important argument BECAUSE it's "in their face" about the conflict being brought about in our society due to Federal imposition of the religion of "non-religion."

I also like the "free expression" argument. (Since he's charged with decorating the building, he can hang up whatever he wants according to his tastes in art.)

I like the "historical display" argument.

They should use all of them.

62 posted on 08/28/2003 10:00:38 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's >"

And guess who owns all? God! God owns whatever you, I or Caesar has. Most people miss that.

Of course you are right. People today don't know what is written let alone apply it.

Martyrs are not for todays mind set. Today you are to be a "moderate" and figure out a way to compromise core beliefs. When you do this you have invalidated your core beliefs. So why be suprised when people fail to stand up for anything? This is why the A.C.L.U. and other godless groups make progress. People are only to eager to appease their opposition.

63 posted on 08/28/2003 10:00:59 PM PDT by nmh
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To: Thane_Banquo
If we are willing to pay the penalty.
64 posted on 08/28/2003 10:01:17 PM PDT by irishtenor (I AM in shape, round is a shape, ya know.)
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To: sinkspur
In your world the Supreme Court is king over us all, even though the founders did not intend that at all. The Balance of powers, but you and your kind are "unbalanced".

65 posted on 08/28/2003 10:02:11 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: All
Should quotes from the koran be allowed in public places of justice? So long as the quotes command to not murder or steal would be fine by me.

Oh but, "thou shalt not take no other God before me" suggests establishment of a religion...yada yada yada
Well one could always ignore this command to choose allah or buddha since in America one can worship as one wishes. In America one can worship the devil if one so desires.

But I gotta tell ya, if I were ever to face a judge, I don't want him/her to be a muslim or devil worshipper.
66 posted on 08/28/2003 10:02:36 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (stand for freedom or get the helloutta the way)
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To: P-Marlowe
BTW, I live near Utopia. Little town on the Ohio River.

But we have Bethel, Lebanon, Mount Carmel, etc. nearby.

67 posted on 08/28/2003 10:02:41 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: MissAmericanPie
Not a dimes worth of difference, it's still a law that carries penalties.

I have to respectfully disagree. Similar effects do not prove equal authority. I can spank your kids just as easily as you can; the difference is I have no authority to do so.

68 posted on 08/28/2003 10:03:54 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: xzins
But we have Bethel, Lebanon, Mount Carmel, etc. nearby.

Not for long.

69 posted on 08/28/2003 10:05:30 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Milquetoast Q. Whitebread is alive!)
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To: Thane_Banquo
But the Constiution also states that the federal courts are to interpret exactly what the Constitution says, and it gives them the force of law.

Citation please?

70 posted on 08/28/2003 10:07:15 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: Jorge
Sorry Jorge, but that courthouse is Moore's responsibility AS WELL AS his workplace. He should be allowed to express himself.

The bottom line question, of course, is: What religion has been established?

71 posted on 08/28/2003 10:08:40 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: Thane_Banquo
Do you want a nation where we can ignore any court order we choose merely because we do not agree with it?

No, I want a nation where the branches of government keep to within their respective mandates as enumerated in the document that gives those mandates.

72 posted on 08/28/2003 10:10:29 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: Woahhs
Well said.
73 posted on 08/28/2003 10:11:11 PM PDT by irishtenor (I AM in shape, round is a shape, ya know.)
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To: P-Marlowe
BTW, what is your favorite Law School? I never saw your answer to that DUMB last night.

Also, if a city has a stadium that is used by a team with the name of Angels, and "angels" is written on the side of the publicly owned building, how much more likely is it to have that Name sued than if the name were "Demons."

74 posted on 08/28/2003 10:11:12 PM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
Besides this monument is not a coerced religion. It is a monument reflected what our laws are based on. This country has its roots in Judeo Christian principles and the Ten Commandments are the core of it.

The Ten Commandments are not a "religion". to require that people accept Jesus as their Savior as in the Crusades or the Inquisition is clearly not Christian and would violate the church and state separation.

We purposely have no state dictated religion. People can for the most part believe what they want however First Amendment Rights allow for the sullying on ones beliefs. Christianity is a popular taget.

The whole idea behind the Judeo Christian roots, WAS to keep Judeo Christian principles IN government but keep government OUT of religion. For example, George Bush's faith based initiative IS a violation of the separation of church and state since it COERCES citizens through tax dollars fund beliefs of others. I'm not interested in funding Muslims or Hindu's. Yet under the faith based initiative the government could NOT descriminate against these religions.

The Ten Cammandments are of historical value in the it illustrates what our laws are based on. There is certainly nothing wrong with that. For those that are Christians it is a nice gesture to share this.

75 posted on 08/28/2003 10:15:06 PM PDT by nmh
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To: Thane_Banquo
We are a nation of the rule of law. And the rule of law said to move the monument.

So if a judge ordered you to jump off a cliff you would do it.
76 posted on 08/28/2003 10:16:18 PM PDT by microgood (They will all die......most of them.)
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To: Thane_Banquo
Further, a judge's order is indeed law.

That's a fraud on the Republic. Only the legislative branch has been given the power to make laws.

You're making an idiotic assertion. Where is the authority for that supposedly coming from? Cite it please.

77 posted on 08/28/2003 10:17:05 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: nmh
Sorta like the "roadmap to peace" with folks who kill maim and mutilate defenseless innocents both young old and infants exploding planes, buses...throwing old men in wheelchairs off boats, and executing athletes during olympic games etc etc etc

There can be no peace til core beliefs are realized and are no longer compromised.

Such is Judge Moore's stance. No longer willing to compromise his core beliefs inspite of a judiciary (his very own colleagues) that demands he do so.

Like in the West Bank, and in Alabama, it's time to stand and deliver. Judge Moore has made his stand.
78 posted on 08/28/2003 10:19:45 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (stand for freedom or get the helloutta the way)
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To: takenoprisoner
Since when is the Korna of historical value in U.S. history?

Why are you so intolerant, anti-Christian, and so ignorant of U.S. history?

79 posted on 08/28/2003 10:21:01 PM PDT by nmh
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To: takenoprisoner
Since when is the Koran of historical value in U.S. history?

Why are you so intolerant, anti-Christian, and so ignorant of U.S. history? More importantly why does God bug you? CLearly you want NO reference made to Him. Why? And don't give me this separation of church and state crap.

Should our next President swear in on the Koran? Should we wipe out "In God We Trust" off our currency? Should we elminate NUMEROUS references to the Judeo Christian God throughout our history?

80 posted on 08/28/2003 10:23:42 PM PDT by nmh
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