Posted on 08/29/2003 10:06:41 AM PDT by SpyGuy
Why is Dean--a radical socialist--suddenly the darling of the national liberal news? It's clear that Dean is too extreme to ever win the presidency. So why has this no-name leftist suddenly risen to become the leading Democratic candidate?
The DNC is still being run behind the scenes by the Clintons. And they are directing the DNC--assisted by their willing accomplices in the liberal press--to prop up Dean for 2004. Dean has virtually no popular base, he is a solely a creation of concerted media hype. But he serves two purposes for the DNC:
First, Dean is the sacrificial lamb for Hillary Clinton. Hillary doesn't want to run against President Bush in 2004. But the DNC doesn't want to risk having another Democrat get into office before Hillary's shot in 2008. Since Dean is the least electable of the current Democratic candidates**, he has virtually no chance of winning the White House.
**(Ignoring Sharpton, of course, because...well, we should all just ignore Sharpton.)
Second, Dean is being used to draw conservative politicians further left. (This is an old tactic used by the Left and, unfortunately, it still works.) Since the DNC have resigned themselves to a second Bush term, the best they can hope for over the next five years is to continue to trick and coerce Bush into adopting their leftist agenda. By artificially boosting an extreme leftist to the forefront of the Presidential race, the DNC can say, "See, the people like his platform, they agree with his agenda, they want his policies." It doesn't matter that Dean will lose in a landslide. The Republican party will still react to the threat by becoming more "compassionate" (i.e., proposing more socialist programs). Every time the Democrats move further left, the Republicans get sucked into the void.
Dean also is able to separate himself politically from most of the crowd who try the share the "liberal but not so socialist as to scare the people" just left of middle where the other dems are trying to position themselves.
The most dangerous place in the world is going to be sharing a plane with Dean if Hillary decides that she can beat President Bush and has to move Dean out of the way. I see a potential late May icing caused crash. (And I wish I was joking about that).
Ah, young grasshopper: to ask the question is to answer the question... :)
I think this question answers itself...
There is nothing grass roots about having your face plastered on the covers of four or five major "news" magazines...all in the same week! Don't tell me that's a coincidence. This is an orchestrated effort.
The Clintons run the DNC, the DNC runs the national liberal media, and the media is all over Dean like Bill Clinton on an intern.
We should be pushing Sharpton. Hop over to DU, register under a new name, and start talking about how Al Sharpton represents the REAL democrats (and in a way, I think he does).
Let's get Sharpton up there higher on the national stage and let everyone see the REAL face of the Liberals. Not that we need a straw man - Bush can beat anyone the RATS put up.
But you gotta admit, it would be pretty funny to watch...
Well, I am the author.
As I stated in my post, I'm ignoring Sharpton because he's just a circus sideshow and not worth consideration. And who's even heard of Kucinich? For the Clinton/DNC plan to work, the candidate has to at least be viable (not electable, just viable). As another member pointed out, Dean has charisma and he certainly knows how to energize the leftist-activists (thus giving him additional "voice").
But there's no way Dean could ever gain enough votes from middle-of-the-road Americans to win the Presidency. He's the kind of politician that can only win in small regional elections where the electorate are strongly dominated by the left.
1. A good number of the middle doesn't give a rip about anything but their wallet. If it's shrinking, they vote for CHANGE. Dean is change since he's not from Washington.
2. Dean has an energized and ORGANIZED base. ORGANIZED campaigns are a threat.
3. Dean could be Reagan to Carter's 1980. Reagan was 'extreme'. He couldn't win. He won. He was CHANGE. He had ideas. If the economy doesn't turn around, Dean could shock him.
4. Dean will be tough to OUTWORK. Dean's outworking the rest of the dems.
As for Hitlery, I think she'll be likely to run. Dean is a threat to HER as well. Dean's not a Klintonite. He isn't controlled by that wing of the party, and the DLC hates his guts. Lieberman is hated by his base. Gephardt MAY be a threat, but is certainly beatable. Kerry is 2nd rate and personally who I'd like to face. Bob Graham may be a threat, but right now he can't get his campaign off the ground. Wes Clark is one to watch.
You can't be sirius! Kucinich is a walking circus act. He has massive appeal among carnies.
This is about where I stopped reading.
SpyGuy needs to look at Dennis(!) Kuncinich to see a truely unelectable candidate in all his twerpy, Elvis black dyed hair and pancake makeup glory.
1. He has a strong energetic base. He's the dark horse that came out of nowhere.
2. He's an outsider and a governor. Governor's become presidents.
3. Bush is abandoning his conservative base with his liberal policies. My parent's are on the fence right now. Several others I know are also on the fence, and others had enough and will be voting third party or staying home. Two statewide races in Michigan were 17,000 votes and 5,000 votes.
4. A lot of the Nader backers would back Dean. Dean is also running a semi-populist campaign. Populist WINS right now. It's also how alwhore came back to steal Michigan and Penn.
5. While Dean IS anti-gun, he's not AS anti-gun as the others like Kerry and Gephart.
6. Dean's not a bad speaker and doesn't sound as abrasive(to me anyway) as Kerry or Gephart. He didn't sound as elitist as I suspected him to sound either.
As for the others, Lieberman is hated by liberals. Gephardt could be a threat with labor, but has been around forever. He's very abrasive as well. Kerry is Dukakis and an elitist 'high society' liberal, not to mention his wife is a loose cannon.
Rove wants Dean, but Rove does not have a good track record in the Midwest.
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Another thing is this. I don't despise Dean. There's no way I'd vote for him, especially after his envirowacko stance, tax stance, and his gun stance change, but I don't have the same distain for Dean as I do for a Kerry(especially him), Gore, Gephardt, Hitlery, Billy, Davis, or Dasshole.
There are really 7 types of voters, many overlap.
1. Near 100% Party loyalists. These people will vote GOP or Dem no matter what. Detroit and Ottawa County MI are the two extreme examples in my state.
2. Hard line conservatives or liberals. These are JUST as important as the 'moderates' that get all the hype. If you can't get your issues base to back you, that makes it that much harder to win. There are a LOT of these in my county. Liberal or moderate republicans can get as low as 53% here because conservatives won't vote for them. Conservative Republicans can get 70% or higher.
3. Reagan Democrats/Union Independents - Social Conservatices, economic populists. - These are a lot of the union members that don't drink the kool-aid. Macomb County, Monroe County, North Michigan. Those areas have a lot of them. They voted for Gore, but also for Posthumus. They hate wimps too. Gephardt would do well with them. Kerry would NOT.
4. Soccer Moms - Security is key, but personality is the biggest factor. They've leaned democrat recently. Very unpredictable and unreliable voters IMO. Bush is banking on them too much.
5. The wallet - Most common non loyalist voter. Very politically uninformed. If money is good, keep them there. If not, throw the bums out. Gore did best among these independents. Posthumus did well among wallet voters here for the same reason.(Those that liked Engler usually voted for him too) These scare me the most right now.
6. Single Issue - Ties to the base to some extent. Guns, Abortion, Taxes, NAFTA, GATT, Drugs, Immigration.
7. Small l libertarians. - These tend to vote for the more pro-freedom candidate. Largely tied to single issues, but there are several issues tied together.
Dean may do very well among the wallets(Doesn't matter if it's Bush's fault or not), small l libertarians(Patriot Act, Dean's friendly REPUTATION on guns, outsider).
Gephart is probably the 2nd strongest of the dems and could be a tough race with labor united.
Kerry is Dukakis. Can you see him in a tank..... He may do well with sucker moms, but I bet he'll get 30% of the guy vote, maybe 15% among white guys that don't live in New England or San Francisco.
No he isn't. For everything Bush does to appeal to liberals or moderates he had done something for conservatives as well. Two tax cuts. The ending the Taliban and Saddam. Scrapping Kyoto. Relaxing EPA regulations on water, logging, power plants, etc. National Missile Defense. For every short-sighted conservative who sees the glass as half-empty Bush is picking up two moderate voters.
Kerry is Dukakis. Can you see him in a tank.....
Ironic, since he is probably the only Dem candidate who actually can drive a tank.
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