FDR's Raw Deal Exposed

Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 9.30.03 | Thomas Roeser

[Cathryn Crawford]

Isn't FDR generally accepted by most conservatives to have been socialistic?

[Bon mots]

I've always said that Roosevelt had nothing to do with solving the Great Depression.
Adolf Hitler did.

(This does not mean that I support either of these fiends...)

[demlosers]

A good read very interesting.

[ninenot]

Interesting read, albeit very short on evidence.

[Bon mots]

Roosevelt also lost WWII to Stalin.

Yes we beat Germany and Japan. But Stalin got everything he wanted from the war and more.

Roosevelt lost the most important battle of the war. The battle of Yalta. It was disguised to look like negotiations. Without a shot being fired, the weasel handed all of East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and more to the disbelieving Stalin - who could not believe what a stupid man he was negotiating with.

If only he died a couple of weeks earlier, millions would have missed fifty years of slavery.

[patton]

LOL. Does the sun rise in the east?

[demlosers]

Without a shot being fired, the weasel handed all of East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and more to the disbelieving Stalin - who could not believe what a stupid man he was negotiating with.

Or he was ideologically sympathetic toward the communist system.

[elbucko]

The inherent racism of the Democratic Party never ceases to amaze me.

The Democratic Party was, after all, the party of the white slave owner in the South. FDR did not want to offend the white Southerner's during the "Depression"(?) by helping the black farmers in the South. Franklin sent Eleanor to go fly with the Tuskeegee Airman, generate some headlines and con the black voter to vote Democrat. (sigh)

Now, the Democratic Party is simply out to enslave everyone.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

To really flesh out your understanding of FDR you really should read The New Dealers' War by self-identified (on a Booknotes interview) Truman Democrat Thomas Flemming.

Neville Chamberlain's appeasment policy was popular in Britain, and Winston Churchill railled helplessly against it from a back bench. Likewise 80% of Americans opposed entry into WWII before Pearl Harbor. Against that backdrop the efforts of FDR to inflame war between the US and Germany just didn't get any traction before Pearl Harbor.

Of course we now know that FDR was informedat the end of November 1941 that the Japanese Embassy had been ordered to destroy its diplomatic codes and end negotiations with America at a certain time on Dec 7, 1941--but at the time, that was a closely guarded secret. Had the public known that in December 1941, FDR would have been impeached--for FDR had mousetrapped the 80% of the public who, before Pearl Harbor, opposed entry into WWII. Because somebody--somebody who was never punished or even had his career ruined--leaked information which created a sensation of antiwar agitation just when the Japanese were launching their attack on Pearl Harbor.

FDR's antiGerman policy hardened in the summer of 1941, which just happens to coincide with the invasion by Hitler which started June 22, 1941--the invasion of the USSR.

FDR was hostile to the British Empire, and didn't take suggestions very well from the British Navy--part of the reason that 400 US merchant ships in US coastal waters were lost to U-boats by June 1942.

Oh, and did I mention that FDR's first diplomatic move as POTUS was to recognize the Soviet Union?

[elbucko]

he neglects to mention that the Federal Reserve in the period 1929 to 1933 - Hoover's presidency - acted in accord with sound Conservative principles of the time.

True, but they were not considered "Conservative" at the time, but "Progressive" actions by the Fed. You also fail to mention that many of the programs credited to Roosevelt, were actually started during Hoover's administration. The WPA being one of them.

[Allan]

FDR, in effect, was in charge of a coup'd'etat that ended the US republic.

The US republic ended in 1913 with the passage of the 16th amendment.

[eno_]

Oh yeah, another piece of FDR history:

"Loose lips" never sank one ship. THAT was a propaganda campaign to turn Americans against one another and blame anyone who spoke out against the merchant ship carnage as a possible "loose lips" traitor.

[Cicero]

Nothing new here, unfortunately. FDR was an enormously destructive force, but the liberal press will never admit it. The average American still thinks FDR was a great president, and for that reason even Republicans like Reagan invoke his name.

Unfortunately, you can't reason with a liberal. They are impermeable to logic.

[RaceBannon]

http://www.rooseveltmyth.com

Great web site

you must read the book, I have a hard copy, but they have it online!

[norwaypinesavage]

One of the strongest arguments I've ever heard that proves Rosevelt did not cure the depression has to do with timing. He enacted many of his strongest programs the first year after he was elected, 1933. If these programs cured the depression, why did it take 10 years for them to become effective?

[stop_fascism]

Unfortuantely, Yalta only confirmed the give-away that was agreed to in Teheran. Yalta usually gets blamed because it allows Roosevelt's supporters to claim that Stalin took adavantage of Roosevelt's ill-health. The truth is that Roosevelt had spent the entire war selling out the free world to "Uncle Joe".

[marron]

FDR is the guy who failed to end the depression in two terms as president (he served three terms and was elected to a fourth). Despite the fact that Hitler took power in 1933, about the same time FDR took office, and the Japanese started their march about the same time, by the end of his second term when we were hit at Pearl Harbor FDR had done nothing to prepare us for war. Our guys were still training with sticks and our ships were sitting in harbor to save fuel.

FDR is the guy that sent refugee Jews back to be slaughtered in Hitler's camps. He's the guy that handed half of Europe over to Stalin, who easily bested Hitler in the butchery department by a factor of at least 3.

FDR is the guy who rounded up US citizens by the thousands and interned them in camps, and allowed their property to be seized. He is the guy that refused to outlaw the lynching of Negroes.

A more miserable excuse for a president has never sat in the White House.

[stop_fascism]

These two things are not mutually exclusive. It took a stupid man to be idelogically sympathetic toward the communist system.

[elbucko]

Thanks for the link. Interesting stuff.

[SJackson]

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