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To: Dr Warmoose
OK, I'll bite. What limits am I putting on G_d? Is it because I take His Word concerning origins literally?

So why are you so certain that when G_d created the world, he didn't create it with all the geologic and fossil evidence in it? I have always wondered why creationists have been willing to go to great leaps of conspiracy theories to explain the existing evidence rather than accept this one simple notion.

If G_d created the world, he could have created it as we find it, or the fossils and geologic evidence could simply be remnants of his creation process in 6 days. Why are you unwilling to accept that as a possibility? I see no contradiction between it and the Bible accounts. No where does the Bible say that it is telling us everything.

It appears to me that you are limiting G_d by limiting his actions to those specificly mentioned in the Bible, that is how you are limiting him!

48 posted on 09/01/2003 6:02:58 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
So why are you so certain that when G_d created the world, he didn't create it with all the geologic and fossil evidence in it?

Because G_d's Word talks about a global flood that destroyed everything. What do you think became of the remains of things killed in a global flood? They died. Their bones were quickly buried in strata of mud (think the effects of liquifaction on the animals and how the sorting would take place). Now I am not sure how evolutionists deal with how fossils were made in their models since it would seem to me to take hundreds if not thousands of years to bury something like a T-rex and I am sure it would rot or be consumed away well before it was buried - but that is their problem, not mine.

I have always wondered why creationists have been willing to go to great leaps of conspiracy theories to explain the existing evidence rather than accept this one simple notion.

What conspiracy theory are you imagining? I would be curious to know. Better yet, given that Adam's sin was supposed to usher death into the world, perhaps you can explain how all of this death and carnage took place before Adam's sin. Or do you simply reject the gospel message as well? It's OK that you do, I just want you to be consistant in your evolutionary views.

If G_d created the world, he could have created it as we find it, or the fossils and geologic evidence could simply be remnants of his creation process in 6 days.

Again, I am not going to ignore the Flood. You may, and you may do so at your own discretion, but if you do, please drop this "G_d" stuff because in wishing away the flood, you are blaspheming G_d, and skipping the vowel would seem trivial compared to rejecting His entire revelation unto man.

G_d is revealed as to having purpose. Since Athiests have clung to evolutionary ideology, it would seem that for G_d to plant evidence that only says billions of years when in reality it happened only in six days, that G_d would be operating a massive fraud, the greatest lie, and would seem to be undermining His own desire to Glorify Himself to man so that He could glorify the Atheist. But perhaps this kind of fraud and deception are attributes that you attribute to a Righteous G_d.

It appears to me that you are limiting G_d by limiting his actions to those specificly mentioned in the Bible, that is how you are limiting him

So you are an advocate of gnosticism? Private revelation? Secret knowledge? No, to say that fossils are a result of Creation is to say that death preceded Adam's sin. That is a total contradiction to the gospel. To say that these fossils remained despite the flood is to say that G_d does not judge wickedness - thus judgment is not in his character. Again, this blasphemes G_d. Rather than trying to appease the G_d haters by kissing up to their atheistic speculations, it would be better to attempt to preserve the truth presented in G_d's word. If you don't understand it, it is not license to modify it to syncretize pagan influences (if you need further evidence of the peril of doing so, you have the entire relationship of the nation of Israel to G_d presented in the OT to show what happens when you mix worship of G_d with the idolatry of man.)

Thanks for clearing things up for me.

53 posted on 09/01/2003 6:45:44 PM PDT by Dr Warmoose
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