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When Sex Ed Becomes Porn 101
Heritage Foundation ^ | 8/27/03 | Robert E. Rector

Posted on 09/01/2003 9:31:21 AM PDT by Jean S

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To: BearWash
As it is now, I feel sufficiently disillusioned to stop voting as all political parties have been complicit in this to one degree or another.

I can understand your pessimism completely. But I would urge you to rethink your stand. It just might be that Bush will win again, it just might be that the Senate and House will have greater R majorities, it just might be that some conservative Rs with spines may get elected, it just might be that Bush can get a few normal Supremes into the Court, it just might be that more sheeple will wake up.... You never know!!

41 posted on 09/01/2003 7:50:10 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: JeanS
And it’s all billed to you, the taxpayer. Is that what we want?

My lady is a teacher. I have just interviewed her for this post. She says that, at her school, sex ed is provided in the seventh grade science class and that the teacher does demonstrate the use of condoms in a very matter of fact way with either a cucumber or a zucchini squash (she isn't sure which). I am not talking about a public school. I'm talking about one of the most exclusive private schools in this country.

Should this kind of information only be provided to kids in private schools?

42 posted on 09/01/2003 8:00:19 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds
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To: pram
But I would urge you to rethink your stand.

I will be thinking about it between now and then. The Supreme issue is what would tilt me toward voting. But would Bush be able to get useful Supremes past the blockades of the legislative branch?

43 posted on 09/01/2003 8:25:22 PM PDT by steve86
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To: JeanS
Home school!

Home school!

Home school!
44 posted on 09/01/2003 8:31:13 PM PDT by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: JeanS; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; ...
School starts tomorrow, drive carefully and fear the modernists.
45 posted on 09/01/2003 8:32:54 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: Archangelsk
Now not to judge a book by its cover, but I wouldn't trust my children around this feral, rat-like-looking, John Holmes-mustache-wearing individual.

Thanks for your reasoned response to this article. Trash the author.

46 posted on 09/01/2003 8:42:20 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: upright_citizen
Oh, and about the brainstorming ways to "be close", the point of that is to teach kids alternatives to intercourse/oral sex/etc if they feel the need to express their attraction in a physical way.

You don't say!

Oh, dear, we all KNOW that. It isn't necessary to teach it unless your contention is that most kids are dumb as a box of rocks. Mine is they aren't, and further more, self-control and having standards of modesty and decency is a wholly desirable and attainable goal.

We're not naive here.

47 posted on 09/01/2003 8:56:43 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: BearWash
But would Bush be able to get useful Supremes past the blockades of the legislative branch?

He might if there are more Rs elected... I vote R with my eyes closed, and sometimes with my nose held. Although in the recent Oregon election, I did not vote for Gordon Smith because he nauseates me, a real RINO for the most part. I voted for Lon Mabon, the notorious anti-"gay" rights guy, even though he's kind of strange too. I knew Smith would win anyway.

Jim Rob has made some VERY convincing statements about this issue, if I can find them I'll post them on this thread. If the Dems regain control of the House, Senate, and Presidency, I can't even imagine how hellish it will be.

48 posted on 09/01/2003 8:59:00 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Scenic Sounds
I really don't know why condom demonstrations are required in any schools at all, so I shan't lose a wink of sleep worrying that some elite private school kids get to watch this nonsense while some public school children are deprived of the spectacle, no matter how "matter of factly" it is done.

It is ridiculous to think this needs demonstrating.

49 posted on 09/01/2003 9:05:27 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: mattdono
>>"This is insanity."<<


Indeed. Rampant and exponential. What are we to do?
50 posted on 09/01/2003 9:05:39 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: Archangelsk
I am always leery of guys who vent their outrage on these matters because it seems they can think of nothing else. My question is why are they so preoccupied with it?

Robert Rector is very respected for his writings about children (primarily welfare and poverty related is what I have seen) and can be found at the Heritage Foundation web site. You may not be familiar with his work, but Rush has been citing it for years.

He isn't a fly by night weirdo getting off on sex talk.

51 posted on 09/01/2003 9:13:32 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: cyncooper
It is ridiculous to think this needs demonstrating.

Actually, isn't one of the problems found with condoms that the kids were using them improperly so that they were breaking? I don't know if that is true, or if it was just what was asserted to be a problem.

My son just started 6th grade and has had no sex ed at school of any kind. They didn't even do the menstruation movie for the girls (unless it was secret).

52 posted on 09/01/2003 9:21:16 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Dianna
welcome to generation screwed
America really needs to put a halt to the sexual overload this counrty is going through
53 posted on 09/01/2003 9:32:52 PM PDT by conservativefromGa (www.awbansunset.com)
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To: TalBlack
You wouldn't believe what you would see if you could look a mere five years into the future. You wouldn't recognize your own nation. Interesting times ahead.

There is a manual which shows you what you will find somewhat farther ahead..."Brave New World". It was written in 1932, and gets more accurate with each passing year. It is depressing, but unfortunately it is also inevitable.

54 posted on 09/01/2003 9:40:52 PM PDT by montag813
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To: pram
"Why do you automatically not believe this article, and others like it? When I lived in Eugene, OR, I read all kinds of letters in the paper - some from high school students - outraged at the explicit sex-promotion (of all varieties) they had to endure in school."

Future home schooling parents.

I hope that 12-year-old stood up to the Planned Parenthood perverts in her school. I hope her parents pulled her out of there, too.
55 posted on 09/02/2003 6:38:10 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: TheSpottedOwl
I had to sit and listen to a sex ed class this last spring semester...in community college

College is a bit different than middle school or high school but it sounds like your speaker was horrid. Ugh, I had an extra credit in a senior College sociology course where we were shown a "documentary" showing elderly people getting way down and dirty. We thought it was supposed to be about nursing home care! I'd never seen such and I don't think many others had either so were speechless but no one had the nerve to tell the prof off (of course this was back in the dark ages). Nothing against the elderly having a little fun but this would have been XXX rated no matter what.

56 posted on 09/02/2003 6:57:45 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: JeanS
Thanks Jean for posting this.

This type of propaganda in our public schools has been around for years, and is getting worse.....much worse.

James Dobson of Focus on the Family...use to encourage parents to be involved in their children's schools.....work from within.....effect change when you see negatives....etc.

Many of us did just that!

When SexEd came to our county, we networked the whole county ..... making sure many parents who were not aware....became aware of the 'new' curriculum that the school board was about to pass on to our children....kindergarten through 12th grade!
If the schools wouldn't display the curriculum for parents to come by and take a look at...(& many of them did)...we would hold 'curriculum parties' at our homes, and invite our friends and neighbors in.

I happened to be on an advisory board of my son's junior high, so therefore was one of the first parents to see the curriculum.
I was so naive about the political tactics going on.....but I was smart enough to recognize Planned Parenthood's handprints all over this curriculum and what I saw alarmed me!

Hundreds of parents, teachers (the ones not afraid)...business leaders, pastors, etc. started showing up at the board meetings to voice their disapproval....

...and as of 11 years ago, we we were able to turn the tide & insist on an 'abstinence only' curriculum ....(and the School Board continued to do so for a number of years.)

And we were fortunate to get that, because by the time 'we, the parents'....actually heard of the curriculum, it was almost a done deal....

...Tallahassee had already passed it....and it was going to happen. Period!

What we did at the 11th hour, is change the direction from Planned Parenthood curriculum to a absolutely abstinence only curriculum that parents, teacher and pastors helped write.

Even so, many parents saw the handwriting on the wall, and started homeschooling.....and some private Christian schools started up within a year or so, because of the demand of parents for them.

Now, however, it is so bad and so rampant.....James Dobson is no longer telling parents to ..'work within the school to effect change'...

He's telling them to ...PULL YOUR CHILDREN OUT!

Parents, if you don't wake up and take control of this situation, you will look back someday, I think, and regret it!

Even the best parenting, I know, is not always perfect or produces perfect results.....

...but why not try to stem this tide against our children.

Why throw little kindergarten children into unsavory situations that they can't and shouldn't have to handle!!!

Please wake up!

Please!

Yank the cable from your TV, too!

We pulled the cable when our two were in their formative years!

Don't leave your children in Sodom......it's only getting worse!

57 posted on 09/02/2003 7:41:58 AM PDT by Guenevere (..., ..Press on!)
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To: upright_citizen
That's exactly how my sex-ed classes were as a senior in a public high school 5 years ago. It was repeated many times that abstinence was the only foolproof way to NOT get pregnant or catch an STD. There were 2 teen mothers in the class who agreed to be object lessons in WHY teenagers shouldn't be having sex (very informative and convincing, BTW). We were informed about various contraceptive methods as well as their failure rates. We didn't actually have "hands-on" lessons like those I read about in this kind of article. The whole unit lasted maybe 2-3 weeks tops. The rest of the semester was on drug/alcohol education and healthy eating/exercise/general health.

Prior to late high school, the only sex ed in my district was a class on puberty that was taught in 5th grade. We were split into boys and girls and taught by the school nurse (for us girls) or the gym teacher (for the boys).

I don't know anyone in real life who has been through one of these "porno 101" sex ed classes. I do know that if they truly exist the way they're depicted, it's inappropriate and not something I would allow a child to attend.
58 posted on 09/02/2003 8:26:19 AM PDT by Rubber_Duckie_27
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To: ladylib
I hope that 12-year-old stood up to the Planned Parenthood perverts in her school. I hope her parents pulled her out of there, too.

I read the letter in Eureka about 3 years ago, I don't remember the outcome. The girl had guts to write a letter to the paper at age 12. I do remember that PP and the school promised they wouldn't use such "divisive" and "hurtful" tactics again in their efforts to indoctrinate all the kids into hedonism in general and the queer world in particular. In that same area, a good friend who has a (then 10) year old daught enrolled her in a charter/home school, and at the first parent and kid get together, the main teacher revealed that her MAIN PLATFORM was to have a "rainbow cirriculum" - get this - FOUCSING on gay issues! My friend was horrified and left, and is continuing on with her independent home schooling.

BTW, this friend homeschooled her two other kids (now over 20 year old) and they are incredible human beings. Extremely mature, responsible, moral, talented great guys. Homeschooling is the answer for now, unless one can find a really good private school - and be able to afford it.

59 posted on 09/02/2003 8:55:27 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Rubber_Duckie_27
I don't know anyone in real life who has been through one of these "porno 101" sex ed classes. I do know that if they truly exist the way they're depicted, it's inappropriate and not something I would allow a child to attend.

It sounds as though the porno sex ed classes are very regional. Note the post above, seems from FL, about parents and local people getting involved and preventing Planned Parenthood (now why are the primary abortionists in the country in the schools anyway?) from doing the dirty work.

Here on the West Coast it is very bad. Probably more conservative areas haven't gotten on board yet. Another thing is the flagrant sex ed teachers - often outsiders like PP, or representatives from GLSEN and other homosexual groups are brought in in an undercover mode, and the parents are not notified - as a matter of stated policy - because the hedonists know parents would put their foot down. The hedonist activists know that once the kids hear and see the crap - their minds are polluted, and it is a lot hard to undo what they've put in there.

60 posted on 09/02/2003 9:03:05 AM PDT by First Amendment
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