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FR's SECULAR HUMANISTS will be here en masse pinging one another to "Rock" you Joe any second.

A "Humanist" is someone who promotes human interests, or at least thinks he does. This can be secular or religious.

Whatever your religious position, these days the problem is anti-humanists not humanists. That is to say the leftist Kool-Aid drinkers who promote what they conceive of as the interests of the "planet" against human interests.

Old fashioned socialists claimed that doing things their way would make people better off. That made them vulnerable to the argument that socialism doesn't work, which is to say that it doesn't make people better off.

Modern leftism is not vulnerable to such an argument, because human well-being is not on the agenda at all. The position that human well-being should be on the agenda is a moral position, but not a logical defect in their ideology.

At this juncture secular humanists and religious people are to a large extent on the same side, because they are all in favor of the continued existence of the human race.

I have nothing against the word humanist. I'm a theocentric one myself.

FR's secular humanist crowd tend to think of themselves as Neoconservatives and deem anyone theo or culturally conservative as either the Klan or a Nazi (something bad and preferably white..lol)

Skeeter..ping!

"A "Humanist" is someone who promotes human interests, or at least thinks he does. "

You are thinking of "humanitarian." "Humanist" describes those people who believe that human reason is the pinnacle of life; thus a humanist believes there is no God.

Webster has humanitarianism as a synonym for humanism (gah) but also "a philosophy that usually rejects supernaturalism and stresses an individual's dignity and worth and capacity for self-realization through reason."

Humanitarianism and humanism have nothing in common except where liberals want to blur definitions, so there's no point helping them.

"At this juncture secular humanists and religious people are to a large extent on the same side, because they are all in favor of the continued existence of the human race."

I cannot agree with that statement. Secular people do not have the same view of who (God) how (creation) and why (to please God) we got here, and where we're going (heaven) and how (accept Jesus as your savior) to get there.

If you want to include or specify non-Christians when you make that statement, please clarify, then I might agree in a general sense.