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Fox News Gains, Other News Networks Fall
The Hollywood Repoter via Yahoo! News ^ | September 4, 2003 | Andrew Grossman

Posted on 09/04/2003 7:07:31 AM PDT by RayChuang88

NEW YORK (Hollywood Reporter) - Fox News Channel was the only cable news service in August to grow in viewership from a year ago, gaining 20% in primetime and 29% across the entire day, according to Nielsen Media Research.

By comparison, CNN fell by 9% in primetime and total day, while MSNBC lost 21% in primetime and 11% for the day. Headline News and CNBC also suffered losses greater than 20% compared with August 2002. It marked the 28th consecutive month that Fox led the news channel pack.

For the month, Fox averaged 1.3 million viewers in primetime, compared with 787,000 for CNN and 274,000 for MSNBC. Headline News edged out CNBC -- 250,000 vs. 224,000 viewers. Among adults 25-54, Fox grew by 10% in primetime to average 411,000 viewers, while CNN fell by 14% to 224,000. MSNBC plummeted by 29% to 102,000, followed by Headline News (down 35%) and CNBC (off by 15%).

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And you wonder why the Left-leaning mainstream media has been taking a beating lately. =)

Note that the enormous success of Fox News Channel is one big reason why News Corporation reported a US$370 million profit lately. I think if FNC had the same level of cable channel clearance as CNN they would have ratings more akin to what you get on over air broadcasts! :-)

1 posted on 09/04/2003 7:07:32 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: RayChuang88
Is Fox going to have a FOX NEWS ALERT about this...?
2 posted on 09/04/2003 7:08:19 AM PDT by RoughDobermann (Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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To: RayChuang88
Daschile is deeply saddened, deeply.
3 posted on 09/04/2003 7:11:08 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLA TIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: RayChuang88
CNN continues to auger towards the ground, all while pretending it's on purpose and part of the airshow.
4 posted on 09/04/2003 7:12:09 AM PDT by dirtboy (www.ArmorforCongress.com - because lawyers with a clue are rarer than truth-telling Democrats)
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To: Constitution Day
Lookee - more people watch Fox punditry than actual news!
5 posted on 09/04/2003 7:12:48 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Where do you get your actual news?
6 posted on 09/04/2003 7:14:54 AM PDT by DanTheAdmin
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
No fair! I was just getting ready to ping YOU!

I still don't watch CNN, though.
Aaron Brown's soporific monotone is the TV equivalent of NyQuil.

7 posted on 09/04/2003 7:14:57 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: RoughDobermann
I wonder what Rita Cosby's sources have told her.
8 posted on 09/04/2003 7:15:18 AM PDT by Paul Atreides (Bringing you quality, non-unnecessarily-excerpted threads since 2002)
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To: Paul Atreides
I wonder what Rita Cosby's sources have told her

Argh! Great, thanks! Now I'm going to hear her saying that in my head all day long...

9 posted on 09/04/2003 7:17:01 AM PDT by RoughDobermann (Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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To: RoughDobermann
The change is really getting to the leftists.

In the yesterday comic strip Non Sequiter, the bitterly cynical Yankee Danae was quoted "Hey, he'll believe anything. He watches Fox News."

The leftist media bias is only going to intensify. The bias is going to become more blatant as the election cycle unwinds.

Are there FReepers here who want to resume the fight against leftist bias?

10 posted on 09/04/2003 7:17:19 AM PDT by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: DanTheAdmin
I know alot of people out here in the Bay Area who sneer at FNC . To a person they listen to NPR.

Now there's some REAL news.

11 posted on 09/04/2003 7:18:39 AM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: DanTheAdmin
Pretty much anyplace else other than than Fox. The internet, MSNBC, even CNN at times. From Fox, I get a lot of commentary about how I should feel about the news......
12 posted on 09/04/2003 7:18:41 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: RayChuang88
Why! Why is this happening!
Can it be explained?
13 posted on 09/04/2003 7:19:22 AM PDT by Hans
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To: Constitution Day
He really needs to do sleep tapes.
14 posted on 09/04/2003 7:19:24 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: RayChuang88
R.I.P.:

Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" show averaged 230,000 viewers, 39% fewer than "Donahue,"

15 posted on 09/04/2003 7:21:56 AM PDT by Helms ("I Want My MTV" (More Televised Vulgarity))
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Yea, at least you don't get that at MSNBC or CNN.
16 posted on 09/04/2003 7:22:14 AM PDT by DanTheAdmin
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To: Helms
Keith Olbermann is one of the few personalities I have ever seen that ticks people off on either side, sport fans HATE him.
17 posted on 09/04/2003 7:23:17 AM PDT by Pikamax
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To: RayChuang88
Why are these numbers so low? Fox is doing much better than everybody else, but the viewers for each of the evening news shows on the big 3 probably all beat all the cable networks combined, and most of the people in this country have cable.

1.3 million for FOX means that 1 in 215 americans watch FOX news on a given night. 787,000 for CNN means that 1 in 355 americans are watching CNN. MSNBC's numbers are a further joke. I just did the numbers in my head roughly. FOX, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, and Headline news average together 1 out of every 100 americans watching them on a given night. No wonder most democrats can't name their candidates, or Americans the name of the speaker of the house.

I don't know if it is because we are so wealthy as a nation that we don't have to care, but the thought that the 24 hour news stations can't generate more than 1 in 100 people a night combined disturbs me.

18 posted on 09/04/2003 7:23:26 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: RayChuang88

19 posted on 09/04/2003 7:24:06 AM PDT by Interesting Times (Tag line. You're it.)
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To: bert
HMMM - Guess not, seems Fox is too Right-Wing for FR, wow, I'm kinda suprised.
20 posted on 09/04/2003 7:25:27 AM PDT by DanTheAdmin
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To: RayChuang88
Fox News Gains, Other News Networks Fall

The conservative message is positive, optimistic, and unwavering, while the liberal message is negative, pessimistic, and unsure.

Then there's Laurie Dhue's lips.....

21 posted on 09/04/2003 7:27:41 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: dogbyte12
I think there are many people who have tuned out the news on tv altogether. I know I have. I get my news here during the day. Evenings are for family and fun, not news.
22 posted on 09/04/2003 7:32:15 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: sarasota
It just puts it into perspective for me a bit I guess. When people are debating if Geraldo is good. Paula Zhan and Greta switching. Tucker Carlson vs Joe Scarsborough, I have to remind myself that 99% of americans don't give a rip.
23 posted on 09/04/2003 7:35:22 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: RayChuang88
Two things: FNC viewership is up 20 to 29 per cent **from a year ago** AND FNC viewership is *down* 1 per cent from July 2003. Meanwhile, CNN gained 84,000 new viewers - a gain of 12 per cent from July 2003.

At the moment, Fox has lost the battle, but is winning the overall "war." What is disturbing in these numbers is the loss of overall news program viewership. If even television (albeit cable/satellite television) cannot hold viewers' overall interest in the world around them, what kind of republic will we be living in in the future?

Answer: (I see it all the time when I ask my students) a future where narcissism runs rampant, and the public interest is an unwanted foster child.

A heads up to all interested Freepers! Be aware. . . creeping narcissism and self-indulgence are quietly taking over like in the motion picture "Invasion of the Body Snatchers." As in that film, don't fall asleep!!!
24 posted on 09/04/2003 7:36:40 AM PDT by AVNative (I *am* a real Californian. my fake birth certificate says so!)
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To: AVNative
CNN had a big August relative to July because of the East Coast blackout. It always shoots and scores during a huge crisis, FNC's advantage is in its evening lineup, not its crisis coverage. A temporary blip.

I'm glad FNC is doing well because it is the best proof positive of the liberal bias infesting the rest of the media, which has been a pain for me since at least the early 1980s. I don't watch it much myself, though I used to watch it more. I don't like all the shouting and grandstanding and lecturing and get my news off the Internet anyway.

25 posted on 09/04/2003 7:43:34 AM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: RayChuang88
In addition to the bias issue, haven't the other networks figured out that Fox's reporters don't come across as the pompous a**h*les entrenched at places like CNN, ABC (is there a more self righteous jerk than Peter Jennings?), NBC and CBS. People like getting information from a network that doesn't preach to its audience.
26 posted on 09/04/2003 7:48:47 AM PDT by TaxMe
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To: dogbyte12
Yup! Disturbs me too. See my post #24.

Good breakdown on the practical fractions you listed. Critical thinking is such a lost art. . .
27 posted on 09/04/2003 7:49:03 AM PDT by AVNative (I *am* a real Californian. my fake birth certificate says so!)
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To: Pikamax
“Keith Olbermann is one of the few personalities I have ever seen that ticks people off on either side, sport fans HATE him.”

He’s not at all a down to earth regular, mans-man kind of guy. He’s has the intimidation-al approach which is not as effective as it one was. He also suffers from

“he can't drive due to an accident that damaged his depth perception”………. http://members.aol.com/BMC583/keiolb.html

28 posted on 09/04/2003 7:49:16 AM PDT by Helms ("I Want My MTV" (More Televised Vulgarity))
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To: The South Texan
Mr.DasHole likes to use the phrase:"I Find It Troubling"!!
29 posted on 09/04/2003 7:50:50 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: skeeter
Does NPR stand for"National Propoganda Radio"?It does9as far as I'm concerned)!
30 posted on 09/04/2003 7:52:39 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Pikamax
Agreed. Olbermann is a pompous, sanctimonious moron. I really wonder what demographic MSNBC thinks it's targeting with him. He's next to get the axe - it can't happen soon enough!
31 posted on 09/04/2003 7:53:05 AM PDT by SolutionsOnly
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To: Helms
Keith Olbermann's "Countdown" show averaged 230,000 viewers, 39% fewer than "Donahue."

Obermann's on his way out. He's just been having too much fun with Al Franken to notice. Fox should pick up Scarborough when MSNBC goes over the edge.

32 posted on 09/04/2003 7:55:14 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: dogbyte12
1.3 million for FOX means that 1 in 215 americans watch FOX news on a given night.

At least 25 million watch the main stream Nightly news every night; thats about 9 % of all people, close to 20 % of adults.

There still are people without cable, thats part of the problem. The rest of the problem is inertia related.

33 posted on 09/04/2003 7:56:45 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: bandleader
Does NPR stand for"National Propoganda Radio"?

Its strictly for those with, ahem, SUPERIOR standards in news. /sarcasm

34 posted on 09/04/2003 8:03:48 AM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: KellyAdmirer
Yeah, KA, good points in your first paragraph. I remember Roger Ailes from FNC saying that's how he planned to build viewership - from political talk in the evening. A good strategy for what he has had to deal with in starting a new news channel.

Sounds like you and me may have something in common. We are both glad FNC is successful, yet dislike the in-your-face quality of the evening lineup which is akin to shouting. I too watch FNC less than I used to in the evening for that very reason. Hey Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, you guys listening? I mean we like you guys, but could you tone down the pot shots and add more of a thoughtful quality to the programs. . . Maybe start a trend and out-NPR NPR. Just do it from your conservative perspective. It could be a real winner!

Yes, KA, I too get the bulk of my news of the ol' Internet. We have to remember to thank algore for inventing it - which allows Free Republic to **gasp** flourish. Doncha love Vast Right Wing Conspiracies???
35 posted on 09/04/2003 8:04:54 AM PDT by AVNative (I *am* a real Californian. my fake birth certificate says so!)
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To: dirtboy
CNN continues to auger towards the ground, all while pretending it's on purpose and part of the airshow.

CNN--Commentary Not News.

36 posted on 09/04/2003 8:05:14 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: AVNative
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37 posted on 09/04/2003 8:07:01 AM PDT by AVNative (I *am* a real Californian. my fake birth certificate says so!)
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To: dogbyte12; AVNative; TaxMe; Nonstatist
FYI, re your comments on the network evening newscasts..the NEXT step, supposedly, for Fox is to compete directly with them by offering the first half hour of Brit's show on the FOX network...they've show they can compete with the nets directly..the morning show Fox&Friends..is beating the CBS show consistently....I've heard this is gonna happen as we get closer to the '04 election, when interest peaks....it'llbe interesting to see if the audience on the usual FOX stations..which are showing Simpsons' reruns..will stay for Brit.....they WILL stay for Laurie Dhue..
38 posted on 09/04/2003 8:48:41 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: RayChuang88
What I want to know is why Fox News Channel is airing a commercial for a CNN morning show? Are they now incorporating fair and balanced advertising?
39 posted on 09/04/2003 9:11:32 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything will.)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
From Fox, I get a lot of commentary about how I should feel about the news......

Then why do you watch it, as you obviously do or you would have no opinion? I am suspicious that you may be similar to liberals who blast Limbaugh while claiming to never watch him, yet they call the show daily.

Regardless, we all see what we want. My tv is on FNC continuously except for the local news at 6:00 and 10:00 and I see plenty of breaking news as well as ongoing news in addition to "Fair and Balanced" analysis. I have never gotten the impression they were telling me how to "feel". That is a liberal approach to life anyway, feeling about things rather than objectively evaluating them. I suppose a liberal may interpret it as you did.

40 posted on 09/04/2003 10:16:17 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
I can't deny there are a few of the personalities that I like. A few of the news babes and Doocy are fun, and O'Reilly can occasionally snipe at a guest I'll despise, but when I want actual news which has been corroborated and fleshed out to some extent (and not some tabloid rumor put up as a "Fox News Alert"), I go elsewhere.
41 posted on 09/04/2003 10:26:35 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (that ain't workin', thats the way you do it...you play the guitar on the MTV....)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
There are very few shows that present "actual news which has been corroborated and fleshed out to some extent". For that we have to wait several months or years for the documentaries to come out. The broadcast news companies certainly don't do it. In fact, all the media organizations fail miserably at putting things into their proper historical perspective and are 'chicken-littles' for the most part. Lou Dobbs and Brit Hume are better than most. The unfortunately short-lived WSJ Editorial Board with Stuart Varney on CNBC was outstanding. But for most others, it's much ado about nothing - hyping events that nobody will remember three weeks from now - things that are essentially meaningless in the big picture.
42 posted on 09/04/2003 11:15:58 AM PDT by SolutionsOnly
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
" I get a lot of commentary about how I should feel about the news......"

Feeling the news eh?
43 posted on 09/04/2003 11:19:59 AM PDT by snooker
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To: dirtboy
CNN is not an airshow. Airhead show yes, but I don't see any airplanes.

I have a neighbor who watched CNN during the war. She still hasn't recovered from learning we won.
44 posted on 09/04/2003 11:21:38 AM PDT by snooker
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Ditto to everything you said in your #40.
45 posted on 09/04/2003 11:25:19 AM PDT by saminfl
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To: bert
The local paper here carries that one, Doonesbury, and one called Bizarro. All of these have bashed Foxnews or rightwingers on many occassions. We do have Mallard Fillmore, but I have noticed the last few days he hasnt even been up to his left-bashing. Seems a little lop-sided to me...
46 posted on 09/04/2003 11:42:01 AM PDT by Charlie OK (If you are a Christian, please drive like one!)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
A few of the news babes and Doocy are fun, and O'Reilly can occasionally snipe at a guest I'll despise, but when I want actual news which has been corroborated and fleshed out to some extent (and not some tabloid rumor put up as a "Fox News Alert"), I go elsewhere.

Well, it is obvious that you watch Fox quite a bit but your description of "actual news" makes one wonder why you trust one source over another, especially the ones you listed who have documented histories of bias and untruth and are rapidly losing audience, as sources of "actual news". How are you able to determine the reliability of the news you consider trustworthy? Clairvoyance? If so, you don't even need a tv to know what is going on, you just know.

I suspect instead that you are the typical liberal who lies to himself about reality and therefore trust nothing and feels equally free to lie to the rest of us. Once it becomes a habit, liars lie out of habit more often than what they for what they consider necessity. Lying for no reason simply further imbeds the neurosis. And there you have it, my description of a liberal.

47 posted on 09/04/2003 12:19:00 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
>> Obermann's on his way out. He's just been having too much fun with Al Franken to notice.

A fitting end to Ol'Beerman's sit-down with the Fraknen-turd the other night would have been a Britnety-Madonnaesque open-mouth face sucking.
48 posted on 09/04/2003 12:24:10 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Tag line produced using 100% post-consumer recycled ethernet packets,)
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To: martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; GOPJ; Miss Marple; Tamsey; ...
MSNBC puts on Keith Olbermann, an unabashed Bush-hater and conservative-hater, as their main prime-time anchor, and their ratings are decimated, with almost 1/3 of their already tiny viewership abandoning them.

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