Posted on 09/08/2003 7:41:24 PM PDT by adamyoshida
His manner changed and he said more harshly: 'And you consider yourself morally superior to us, with our lies and our cruelty?'
'Yes, I consider myself superior.'
O'Brien did not speak. Two other voices were speaking. After a moment Winston recognized one of them as his own. It was a sound-track of the conversation he had had with O'Brien, on the night when he had enrolled himself in the Brotherhood. He heard himself promising to lie, to steal, to forge, to murder, to encourage drug-taking and prostitution, to disseminate venereal diseases, to throw vitriol in a child's face. O'Brien made a small impatient gesture, as though to say that the demonstration was hardly worth making.
From the novel 1984.
I must admit, I find it odd that some here at FreeRepublic are apparently in favour of moral relativism. But perhaps I shouldn't be surprised.
And you obviously are bothered by this. You feel that it's inappropriate to keep bringing this up while other crimes go ignored and should be admitted openly.
My point is this: it's far easier to see the mote in someone else's eye than in your own. And that sadly applies to just about every culture in history.
These are not hate crimes. They are 'celebrations of diversity'.
You would recognize that if you weren't blinded by your own racisim.
My point is this: it's far easier to see the mote in someone else's eye than in your own. And that sadly applies to just about every culture in history. ”
I’m sorry, I will not have you put words in my mouth. I believe in treating people equally. I believe in a colorblind society. I do not believe that race is destiny and I have a problem with racists who believe this.
I also have a problem with people who try to assume a tone of moral superiority by apologizing for crimes of their culture, race, religion or ethnicity, but for which they take no personal responsibility. From your posts, you appear to have a lot in common with the moral posturing of Bill Clinton who went to Africa to apologize for slavery. Who expressed his remorse – as a white man – for church burnings (that never took place). This is the kind of cheap grace of the Pharisees: Oh Lord I am so thankful that I am not a sinner like these others.
It is the kind of cheap moral posturing that the white editors of my newspaper engage in when they use their editorial power to play up white evil while playing down black evil. It has nothing to do with sensitivity for the sins of my ancestors – who were fishermen in Holland and who lived to tell the tale of the Nazi holocaust.
So before you assume what makes me sensitive, you may wish to examine why you are so abundantly ready to excoriate Western culture and my ancestors without admitting your own – personal – guilt. Let’s hear about the beam in your own eye, not that of your imagined neighbors.
Sadly, FRiend, the stats and data, not to mention the court precedents(sp), bear you out...
homosexuality, once thought of as a psych disorder, is now one step away from a Constitutional amendment;
and an unelected, unaccountable, lifetime appointment judiciary.
Oldthinkers unbellyfeel AmSoc...
I honestly can't tell, any more than you can.
But, you do see the forming pattern, right? Special Laws for Special Rights.With some animals being more equal than others, the laws must reflect the categories in our color-blind society, as well. It's only fairness...
Now muawiyah constructively pointed out the possibility they may be exaggerated. You, however, felt obliged to chime in with a Billie Holiday song from the 1940s and the bombing of Dresden.
If violent black racism is prevelant in a segment of America -- and I think it is, as violent white racism was once -- we as a society ought to confront it.
Proclaiming one's self-rightousness does not help.
Deluded folks, those who pop-up here on FR from the DU.
What are you basing this on? What have I said that could possibly be construed as self-righteousness?
How is pointing out that people sometimes tend to see the mote in someone else's eye before they see the mote in their own self-righteous?
Knowing full well that applies to myself as well as others?
What is the topic of this thread?
What are you talking about? I haven't put any words in your mouth.
From your post, you seemed to be genuinely and honestly bothered by black on white crime being under reported. Are you now saying that you aren't bothered by that?
I also have a problem with people who try to assume a tone of moral superiority by apologizing for crimes of their culture, race, religion or ethnicity, but for which they take no personal responsibility.
Fair enough. I don't think that you could anyway, at least on a personal level, seeing as that would imply in some way that an individual could be held accountable for the actions of an entire society.
That's not the point I'm trying to make here. My point isn't even to claim that it's somehow wrong to acknowledge the crimes of others.
It's that in pointing out the crimes of others, you have to be willing to admit your own.
Ie: let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
The hate crimes you don't hear about.
To which I pointed out that there are quite a few crimes that somehow don't make it very far into the public consciousness. Hate crimes being just one of them.
So what that you have all your facts wrong about the fourth crusade. So what that Innocent III is not a crook and he excommunicated all those who attacked Byzantium. So what that you are tossing lies around that only help the left.
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