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The Hate Crimes You Don’t Hear About

Posted on 09/08/2003 7:41:24 PM PDT by adamyoshida

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To: altayann
”It's that in pointing out the crimes of others, you have to be willing to admit your own. Ie: let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

All right. We may be making some progress. So, now that you have cast some stones at:

Southerners – see your post 7

The Salem witch trials.
The forced medical sterilizations of the potentially mentally handicapped in the US.
Black extra judicial lynchings in the US.
English Catholics being burned at the stake by Protestants.
English Protestants being burned at the stake by Catholics.
European Jews being slaughtered during the Inquisition and the Holocaust.
Moslems being slaughtered by Christians during the Crusades.
Germans carrying out medical experiments on Red Army officers during WWII.
Japanese scientists carrying out biological warfare experiments on Koreans and American POWs during WWII
Your post 19.

The Roman Catholic Church – see post 20

In other worlds, like Bill Clinton, my white Liberal editors and the Pharisees of old you try to capture the moral high ground by pointing out the sins of others. Of course the moral high ground is especially elevated when – like Clinton - you appear to condemn members of your own race, ethnicity, culture, religion, whatever.

So having cast not just the first stone, but a whole handful of rocks, I continue to see the piety of the Pharisees because, you see, you are pointing out how you – personally – are superior to all those who you condemn.

Come on, we know that there is a holocaust in your personal background. We know a hidden racist lurks, a would-be Crusader ready to slaughter the heathen infidel until the streets run with blood up to the bridle of your horse.

Because if there is not, then all we have is a poseur, a hypocrite (by your own definition); a Clinton clone apologizing for slavery and burning churches.

Love and peace.

81 posted on 09/09/2003 5:23:06 PM PDT by moneyrunner (I have not flattered its rank breath, nor bowed to its idolatries a patient knee.)
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To: ExpandNATO
get a life.... other than FR.
82 posted on 09/09/2003 5:39:51 PM PDT by Lion in Winter
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To: Old Sarge
That's a Rog.
83 posted on 09/09/2003 5:55:18 PM PDT by Ronin (Qui tacet consentit!)
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To: netmilsmom
The Fairfax Journal is "maintream media". Some of this stuff was in the Washington Post and the Washington Times.

It might even have gotten mention on the major broadcast networks for all I know.

84 posted on 09/09/2003 6:08:31 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
"The Alexandria VA case happened locally ~ in fact it happened about 3 blocks from my office. The killer is mentally ill. The events didn't quite happen according to the sequence the writer laid out, nor is this area overrun with mind-numbed, knee-jerk, robot-like Liberals who bow in supplication to Teddy Kennedy every morning. "

I live in Alexandria and remember that case quite well. What part of the author's version do you find to be incorrect? Alexandria, VA....elected Jim Moran as mayor and now he's the congressman for that district. I reckon all those Conservatives in the area keep electing him. The only place more disgustingly liberal than Alexandria is San Francisco, Kalifornia.

85 posted on 09/09/2003 6:21:55 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: moneyrunner
So having cast not just the first stone, but a whole handful of rocks, I continue to see the piety of the Pharisees because, you see, you are pointing out how you – personally – are superior to all those who you condemn.

?????

Where exactly are you drawing this conclusion from?

The very definition of a Pharisee is someone who sees someone else's sins before they see their own. By pointing out that much, if not all of, mankind has committed atrocities in the past, I can hardly be excused of keeping myself off the list.

Mankind, after all, is a pretty broad group of people. A group that I happen to belong to, strangely enough.

86 posted on 09/09/2003 6:32:55 PM PDT by altayann
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To: altayann
But you see, you HAVE kept yourself off the list while identifying all those who are not quite up to your moral level.

I'm sure you're a sweet church lady. You may have a great career in the Methodist hierarchy or perhaps the more progressive branch of the Episcopalians.

87 posted on 09/09/2003 6:40:58 PM PDT by moneyrunner (I have not flattered its rank breath, nor bowed to its idolatries a patient knee.)
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To: Lion in Winter
Re 55: What you said. I have no sympathy for anything that happened to Germany and Japan. Never felt that way about the Afghanis, because the Afghanistan problem was due mainly to outsiders hijacking their country. However, with Germany and Japan, a good portion of their populace worshiped the leaders. As much destruction as these regimes wreaked across entire continents, after a few years the sympathy factor went to zero. Countries such as Japan and Germany were seen as evil organisms, rather than a large group of individual humans. They started it, they didn't want to quit, so they were made to quit. They got some of their cities fried? Too bad. No sympathy from me.
88 posted on 09/09/2003 6:46:44 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: Godebert
Moran's district is much larger than just Alexandria.

The article is not correctly attributed anyway.

89 posted on 09/09/2003 6:48:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: altayann
The hate crimes you don't hear about.

You don't think people hear that blacks were lynched in this country?

90 posted on 09/09/2003 9:23:48 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: moneyrunner
But you see, you HAVE kept yourself off the list while identifying all those who are not quite up to your moral level.

Well, no actually. Since I am, to the best of my knowledge, a human being, I would tend to conclude that the general human tendency to see the mote in someone else's eye before seeing in their own applies to me too. It's all part of that whole being born in sin theory, which I'm sure you've probably heard of.

I'm sure you're a sweet church lady.

Not according to my birth certificate I'm not.

You may have a great career in the Methodist hierarchy or perhaps the more progressive branch of the Episcopalians.

Let me guess. Baptist?

91 posted on 09/09/2003 10:21:31 PM PDT by altayann
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To: muawiyah
Wow! Hopefully, they will keep it up!
92 posted on 09/10/2003 3:52:04 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I've abandoned my search for truth - Now looking for a good fantasy.)
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To: altayann
”Well, no actually. Since I am, to the best of my knowledge, a human being, I would tend to conclude that the general human tendency to see the mote in someone else's eye before seeing in their own applies to me too. It's all part of that whole being born in sin theory, which I'm sure you've probably heard of. “

Then may I suggest that you identify the mote in your own eye. Claiming membership in the human race as your “mote” doesn’t do it. While I subscribe to the doctrine of original sin, your commentary on this thread suggests that that is the only sin that you have participated in. What intrigues me about the Pharisees among us is the acceptance of the generalness of sin, immediately followed by a long citation of specific sins of OTHERS. That, my humble friend, is known as the sin of pride. It is frequently confounded with the admonition not to throw stones, after its opponents have been stoned to death.

To answer your question, I am not a Baptist. I belong to one of the denominations I cited. That is why I am as familiar with the disconnect between the Pharisees at the top and the members in the pews.

93 posted on 09/10/2003 4:46:49 AM PDT by moneyrunner (I have not flattered its rank breath, nor bowed to its idolatries a patient knee.)
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To: GOPJ
I was trying to add a little balance -- but you're right, I was too kind, also.
94 posted on 09/10/2003 8:58:00 AM PDT by expatpat
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