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To: EternalVigilance
why? all pervert religion to serve their own goals. some less then others, some more. OBL and Jim Jones are in the same camp. Falwell is on the tame side.

All cut from the same cloth, so to speak...
18 posted on 09/09/2003 12:37:07 AM PDT by pdjplano
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To: pdjplano
All cut from the same cloth, so to speak...

You're a hoot.

You complain about lumping all Muslims in with the radical Islamists, and then in the next breath you lump respected, mainstream Christian leaders with the murderous leader of a suicide cult.

Wow. Astounding.

22 posted on 09/09/2003 1:02:53 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Writing from the belly of the beast...)
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To: pdjplano
OBL and Jim Jones are in the same camp.

Thank you for sharing that profound observation.
Now take your medication and run along.

Where is that "ignore" button?

79 posted on 09/09/2003 6:41:54 AM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: pdjplano
The difference is the source material. Christ doesn't say to kill, persecute, and tax nonbelievers. The Quran does.

For one thing, it doesn't encourage friendliness toward people who try to make nice:

"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119)

Here are some other Koranic Klassics:

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

"Forbidden to you are...married women, except those you own as slaves." (Surah 4:20-, 24-)

"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)

"Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons...he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home..." (Surah 8:12-)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

"If you fear treachery from any of your allies, you may fairly retaliate by breaking off your treaty with them." (Surah 8:51-)

"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

"Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:27-)

"It is He who has sent forth His apostle with guidance and the true Faith [Islam] to make it triumphant over all religions, however much the idolaters [non-Muslims] may dislike it." (Surah 9:31-)

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)

And the Jews say: The hand of Allah is tied up! Their hands shall be shackled and they shall be cursed for what they say. Nay, both His hands are spread out, He expends as He pleases; and what has been revealed to you from your Lord will certainly make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; and We have put enmity and hatred among them till the day of resurrection; whenever they kindle a fire for war Allah puts it out, and they strive to make mischief in the land; and Allah does not love the mischief-makers. [Surah 5.64]

One can easily google up the Quran and find all kinds of other, uh, interesting things like this website:
http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/koran.htm (note: I just found it so I can't fully vouch for it yet. FYI).

Koran Online:
http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

Here is a quote from the Hadiths if I read the page correctly, you can find it here:
http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:4D5iiTTA8eIJ:www.al-manhaj.com/Page1.cfm%3FArticleID%3D143+O+Muslim,+O+slave+of+Allaah!+There+is+a+Jew+behind+me,+come+and+kill+him!&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Straight from the horse's mouth:

“The Hour will not be established until the Muslims battle the Jews. The Muslims will battle them to the point where the Jew will hide behind a rock and a tree. So the rock - or the tree - will say: ‘O Muslim! O ‘Abdullaah (Worshiping slave of Allaah)! Behind me hides a Jew come and slay him.’ Except for al-Gharqad [1] (which shall remain silent) for it is a Jewish tree.”

In light of these things, I don't see how OBL is perverting islam. Rather, it is islam itself that is the perversion.

JMHO, o' course.

105 posted on 09/09/2003 7:13:52 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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