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Democrats Demand Details on Iraq
Yahoo News (AP) ^ | 9/9/03 | Ken Guggenheim

Posted on 09/09/2003 5:05:41 AM PDT by TastyManatees

Democrats Demand Details on Iraq
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By KEN GUGGENHEIM, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Congressional Democrats' support for President Bush (news - web sites)'s $87 billion request comes with a price: They want him to spell out details of his overall Iraq (news - web sites) strategy.

For months, many Democrats and some Republicans have complained that the Bush administration has offered few details about how it will rebuild Iraq, how much international support can be expected, how much American taxpayers will have to pay over the years and how long U.S. troops will be based there.

Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., said he will offer an amendment to the Iraq spending bill that would bar money for relief and reconstruction until Bush officially reports to Congress on his Iraq strategy.

"The president owes our troops and their families a plan before we give the administration a blank check," Kennedy said in a written statement.

A Republican senator, Sen. Jon Kyl (news, bio, voting record) of Arizona, said he was confident the administration would provide the details. "I don't think we have to ask for it. I think they understand they need to provide it," he said.

Senators are likely to seek answers about the administration's Iraq plans Tuesday as Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, appear before the Armed Services Committee.

In a televised address Sunday, Bush said he would ask Congress for $87 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan (news - web sites) in addition to the $79 billion that Congress approved in April. Bush said the money is needed to stop terrorists before they can strike again in the United States.

Republicans, who control the House and Senate, praised Bush's speech and offered support for the plan. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said the proposal "warrants the support of Congress." And House Appropriations Committee Chairman Bill Young, R-Fla., whose panel will help write Congress' version, said he would "aggressively expedite the president's request."

Democrats will be hard-pressed to deny Bush the money he says is needed for U.S. soldiers. "We obviously want to support our troops. That, I think, is a given," said Sen. Carl Levin (news, bio, voting record) of Michigan, the top Democrat on the Armed Services Committee.

They are already using the money request to argue that the administration didn't plan adequately for the war's aftermath, was overly optimistic about Iraqi and international cooperation and foolishly pushed through tax cuts even as the war aggravated a growing deficit.

On the Senate floor, Sen. Tom Harkin (news, bio, voting record), D-Iowa, said there isn't enough money to meet Bush's own education goals, "and yet we're going to ask the American taxpayers to keep coughing up money for this quagmire that we're in now in Iraq."

"This may not be Vietnam, but boy, it sure smells like it," he said. "And every time I see these bills coming down for the money, it's costing like Vietnam, too."

Sen. Joseph Biden (news, bio, voting record) of Delaware, the top Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee, is demanding that tax cuts for the wealthiest taxpayers be postponed — a proposal likely to face strong Republican opposition.

"Is this still a sacrificeless undertaking except those we send to Iraq?" he said in an interview. "Or is there actually something that Americans are going to be asked to do?"

Some lawmakers also said the $20 billion for Iraqi reconstruction would receive particular scrutiny. Levin said that money would be wasted if the Bush administration doesn't make a serious effort to secure help from other nations. Administration officials say they want international participation, but it's not clear how much authority they are willing to cede in Iraq to secure it.

"If we don't get other countries involved, if we don't make a serious effort in the U.N., which other countries say is essential for their participation, then it increases the chances that the reconstruction money will be ineffective," he said.

Rep. John Spratt (news, bio, voting record) of South Carolina, top Democrat on the Budget Committee, said the $20 billion is well short of the estimated $50 billion to $75 billion needed for reconstruction.

"It is unrealistic now to think that our motley coalition will come up with $50 billion, and even more dubious that our allies in Europe and Japan will do so," he said.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: brief; cost; democrats; dems; iraq; war
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Leave it to Tom Harkin, a true Iowa patriot to put the Democratic position into words, "This may not be Vietnam, but boy, it sure smells like it...And every time I see these bills coming down for the money, it's costing like Vietnam, too."

Tasty Manatees
1 posted on 09/09/2003 5:05:41 AM PDT by TastyManatees
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To: TastyManatees
Let's see, umm... It's going to take 13 months, two weeks and three days, we are going to need 146,789 troops - no wait - make that precisely 146,791 boots on the ground and we will be picking up Saddam (or his remains) on December 9th at 4:15 PM and the last dead-ender Baath supporter will die the following week on Tuesday - probably in the morning.

SHEESH.

Planning a War and its aftermath is not like planning one of your frigging liberal cocktail parties, Democratic DumbS*&^ts. Of course, you know this and are just playing politics. But I just wish some Republicans would have the nads to answer as snottily as I did. Oh yeah, and the Dems have forgotten we are in the "middle" of a War, not at the end.
2 posted on 09/09/2003 5:12:47 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: TastyManatees
"Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., said he will offer an amendment to the Iraq spending bill that would bar money for relief and reconstruction until Bush officially reports to Congress on his Iraq strategy."

Could you imagine if a republican "offer'ed' an amendment...that would bar money for relief and reconstruction"
3 posted on 09/09/2003 5:13:56 AM PDT by ChadsDad (Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?)
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To: TastyManatees
"They want him to spell out details of his overall Iraq (news - web sites) strategy. "

So they can bash it for the next 400 days in every way possible.

What is THEIR plan?

BTW, nice website...
4 posted on 09/09/2003 5:17:26 AM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (CNN lamented today, "Some American soldiers have even taken to calling some Iraqis' :HAJIS !")
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To: TastyManatees
Still waiting for the exit strategy for Bosnia and Kosovo.

But then, it's only about seven years since the troops would be home by Christmas.

5 posted on 09/09/2003 5:18:42 AM PDT by OldFriend ((Dems inhabit a parallel universe))
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
Anything short of all problems being resolved in 1 day will be a failure.
6 posted on 09/09/2003 5:19:59 AM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (CNN lamented today, "Some American soldiers have even taken to calling some Iraqis' :HAJIS !")
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To: TastyManatees
On the Senate floor, Sen. Tom Harkin (news, bio, voting record), D-Iowa, said there isn't enough money to meet Bush's own education goals, "and yet we're going to ask the American taxpayers to keep coughing up money for this quagmire that we're in now in Iraq."

Since when did Democrats start showing concern for the tax payers? They're Republicans!
Anyway, I'd rather use the tax cash for the war against terror than few hundred new social programs for the Democrat base that will haunt us FOREVER!

7 posted on 09/09/2003 5:20:30 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: TastyManatees
If this money was going to crackwhores, Medicaid baby machines and illegal immagrants the only thing the Demonratz would have to say is that it isn't enough.

Since it is tied to national security they want to play games.

I've dug out my old "I'd Rather Be Killing Communists" belt buckle. I've just got to do some grinding and file work to change "Communists" to "Demonratz".

8 posted on 09/09/2003 5:20:31 AM PDT by Feckless
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To: epluribus_2
No one ever said that democrats spent much time thinking things out ahhh the tax and spend crowed.
9 posted on 09/09/2003 5:22:21 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: TastyManatees
Lets see Senator Kennedy, let me get out my tarot cards and see whats going to happen in Iraq in the next 18 months.

Democraps, ya bunch of LOSERS !

10 posted on 09/09/2003 5:22:27 AM PDT by agincourt1415 (USAFE VET)
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To: TastyManatees
"This may not be Vietnam, but boy, it sure smells like it," he said. "And every time I see these bills coming down for the money, it's costing like Vietnam, too."

Most voters today have no idea what Vietnam was, tom. Talk about regressive progressive propaganda. Sheesh!

11 posted on 09/09/2003 5:23:26 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: ChadsDad
Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., said he will offer an amendment to the Iraq spending bill that would bar money for relief and reconstruction until Bush officially reports to Congress on his Iraq strategy.

What is really nice about this is that Teddy is limited to proposing ammendments to bills sponsored by Republicans.

As a minority weenie, Teddy doesn't have the power any more to start any committee investigations (inquiries). He has been neutered as a powerful senator and is now a weak one.

12 posted on 09/09/2003 5:25:08 AM PDT by Tom Bombadil (Kick 'em when they're down)
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
"They want him to spell out details of his overall Iraq (news - web sites) strategy. "

So they can bash it for the next 400 days in every way possible.

What is THEIR plan?

Yep. They've run out of ideas. No one is listening to them so far. They need something big to spin, or they're toast!

13 posted on 09/09/2003 5:25:54 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: ChadsDad
"Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., said he will offer an amendment to the Iraq spending bill that would bar money for relief and reconstruction until Bush officially reports to Congress on his Iraq strategy."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't these bastards just vote themselves another "cost of living" increase in their salaries? So, it's okay for them to get $186,000 a year, be totally exempt from Social Security taxes, get full medical, and a million dollar pension plan- but they can't find the money to defend our nation? I'm speechless!

14 posted on 09/09/2003 5:32:04 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: Destructor
So, it's okay for them to get $186,000 a year, be totally exempt from Social Security taxes, get full medical, and a million dollar pension plan- but they can't find the money to defend our nation? I'm speechless!

Shhhh. You're ruining the propaganda. Besides, Kennedy needs the money.

15 posted on 09/09/2003 5:37:58 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: TastyManatees
WAKE UP AMERICA! Just look at what the Democratic Party stands for. They won't stand and fight for our country, they will fight to spend our tax money on anything that will buy votes for themselves. The Democratic Party is dead in the water.
16 posted on 09/09/2003 5:49:29 AM PDT by sam I am
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To: concerned about politics
Here comes the porkers add admendments!!!!
17 posted on 09/09/2003 5:56:08 AM PDT by jocko12
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To: jocko12
Here comes the porkers add admendments!!!!

I think Americans want to feel secure above all else. Without security, all the liberal social programs wouldn't matter. Most people would be dead.
In my opinion, the Democrat attacks on this war are not going to help them. I think people are going to be scared of having Democrats in power. Their security would be stolen away from them if Democrats were to regain power in Washington.
When polls are taken, people bitch about this or that thing they don't like, but when it comes down to who will really watch out for them - especially in this new age of Clinton enabled terrorism - they'll vote Republican.

18 posted on 09/09/2003 6:16:34 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifers lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: concerned about politics
My thought after watching the dims slobbering all over the airwaves last night is this:

They are all up in arms about 87B for Iraq, and the ballooning budget deficit. They want international cooperation, and even mentioned rolling back the tax cuts that are just now having an effect. HOWEVER, nobody talks about reducing gov spending to alleviate the deficit. NOBODY!!

The third rail of politics is no longer Social Security. It is the sum of gov spending, along with hefty increases every year. I believe the President said that if discretionary spending could be kept below 4% increases, and the economy continues to improve, deficit projections would fall dramatically.

Why doesn't anyone in the media ask the fair question of the dems, that if they have a concern about the deficit, why not reign back on spending, instead of looking for more revenue??
19 posted on 09/09/2003 6:22:13 AM PDT by WI Conservative 4 Bush (Nobody speaks English, and everything's broken...)
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
Thanks, I'm glad people enjoy it. I also just updated. Usually try to update every morning and at lunch.

Tasty Manatees
20 posted on 09/09/2003 6:27:10 AM PDT by TastyManatees (http://www.tastymanatees.com)
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