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To: BibChr
I was inclined to support Arnold at first. However, I'm getting tired of hearing folks post that californians should vote without regard for their beliefs. To date, the only area Arnold might be in agreement with me is taxes - and his refusal to promise 'No New Taxes' makes me wonder on that.

If the only reason to vote for Arnold is that he isn't Buste, then perhaps the best vote is NO to recalling Davis. Or a vote for TM. Remember - no one knows who will actually turn out to vote. This is a strange election, and the polls cannot know who is going to vote vs who might vote if it isn't too inconvenient.

In any case, I wish someone would point out a POSITIVE reason to vote for Arnold. "He might not raise taxes" is a weak rallying cry!
10 posted on 09/10/2003 7:11:40 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers
Thanks for your candor, and I think I very much understand your feelings.

My simplest answer: is it better to get ZERO of the ten things you want done, done; or to get one of the ten things done?

Clearly the latter. And for me, Schwarzenegger will surely do MORE than one, though not nearly ten.

Otherwise, see this post of mine.

It isn't the decision I'd prefer to be making, by a long shot. But I've no problem about making it.

Dan

12 posted on 09/10/2003 7:16:07 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Mr Rogers
I was inclined to support Arnold at first. However, I'm getting tired of hearing folks post that californians should vote without regard for their beliefs. To date, the only area Arnold might be in agreement with me is taxes - and his refusal to promise 'No New Taxes' makes me wonder on that.

If the only reason to vote for Arnold is that he isn't Buste, then perhaps the best vote is NO to recalling Davis...

Bite your tongue!
MANY of us plan to vote for Arnold to get rid of Bustamante AND Davis - and to start flushing the cancer of RAT control out of Sacramento.
Arnold is not on our side on MANY of the issues, but he is the only weapon in our current inventory to use to do this important job.
See also my Star Trek metaphor.
HERE is part on an OLD episode best applies to our current situation, IMHO, from Operation: Annihilate!:
The thing [Gray Davis] won't die,
even at temperatures and radiation
which would burn Spock and your nephew to ashes.
I can't accept that, Bones.
We've got 14 science labs aboard this ship.
The finest equipment and computers in the galaxy.
Captain ...
I understand your concern --
your affection for Spock,
the fact that your nephew
is the last survivor of your brother's family.

No, no, Bones.
There's more than two lives at stake here.
I cannot let it spread beyond this colony,
even if it means destroying
a million people down there.
Captain 's Log. Stardate 3289.8.
I am faced
with the most difficult decision of my life.
Unless we find a way to destroy the creatures
without killing their human hosts,
my command responsibilities
will force me to kill over a million people.
Gentlemen.
I regret I see no other choice, Captain.

We already know this thing has destroyed three civilizations.
Perhaps more.
I want it stopped, too,
but not at the cost of destroying a million people. [electing Bustamante to replace Davis]
Including myself, Doctor,
and Captain Kirk's young nephew.
Understandably upsetting,
but once it spreads past here,
there are dozens of colonies beyond
and billions of people.
If killing 5 people saves 10,
it's a bargain.
Is that your simple logic?

I will accept neither of those alternatives, gentlemen.
I cannot let this thing expand beyond this planet,
nor do I intend to kill a million people to stop it.
I want another answer.
I'm putting you gentlemen on the hot seat with me.
I want that third alternative.
Report.
Sorry, Jim. We've been over and over it,
made every conceivable test.
I therefore request permission to beam down to the planet's surface
and that your nephew accompany me.
Request denied.
Captain ...
I do not make this request lightly.
I do not know how much longer
I can hold out against the pain.
But I do know what the boy will go through
should he regain consciousness.
Request denied.

There must be another answer.
Something ...
in the sun ...
killed that thing
before the Denevan died.
All right.
All right.
We've tried ...heat,
radiation.
What other qualities or properties
does the sun have?
It exists physically.
It occupies space,
it has mass, therefore, gravity.
It converts matter to energy.
[Pulsing]
Jim, we've been through it and through it.
Radiation, heat ...
But one other thing you haven't mentioned.
It's bright.
It radiates a blinding light if you're close enough.
Nothing lethal about light.
Not to us. But down on the surface,
the creatures stayed in the shadows for the most part.
Suppose ... they weren't simply hiding.
Suppose they're sensitive to light,
light, like in a sun close up.
A possibility.
You can't move Deneva closer to the sun, Jim.
But you can move the sun's equivalent to Deneva!
Mr. Spock?
Yes. In essence it can be done --
a string of satellites around the planet
with burning trimagnesite and tritium.
[Sigh]

Well, I can rig a test cubicle in a bio lab,
put our specimen in it.
But I don't --
Good.
Let's get on it.
Your figures are, of course, accurate.
Of course.
The light of the sun
at the proximity where the Denevan declared himself free
was 1 million candles per square inch.
If this works,
the satellites we orbit will produce light of such intensity
that even someone in a closed, darkened area
will be affected by it.
Ready, Doctor.
Put on your masks.
Completed.
It worked!
We can do it.
What's the matter, Jim? We can do it!
It worked. In a lab.
With the creature exposed to everything we can give it.
But what about the people who are infected?
Well, I don't know. Maybe trial --
There's no time for maybes, Bones.
We need to know now.
But I'd have to put a --
Yes, we'd have to put someone who's infected under that light.
Do you have any idea of the risk?
We have to duplicate the conditions on the planet.
And Spock ...

Captain.
You'll need a host
for the next step in the test
to determine whether the creature
can be driven from the body.
I am the logical choice.
Do you know what 1-million candlelight per square inch
can do to your optic nerves?
There's no other way, Bones.
We have to duplicate the brilliance that existed
at the moment the Denevan declared himself freed.
All right. I'll rig up a protective pair of goggles.
There'll be none on the planet's surface, Doctor.
I agree completely.
Unfortunately, you're both right.
It's the only thing we can do.
All right, Mr. Spock.
Mr. Spock's the best first officer in the fleet.
Proceed.
Completed. [October 7]

Spock, are you all right?
The creature within me is gone.
[Gray Davis is recalled]
I am free of it ...
and the pain.
And I'm also
quite blind.
[Arnold Schwarzenegger is elected Governor]
An equitable trade, Doctor.
Thank you.


16 posted on 09/10/2003 7:26:28 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: Mr Rogers
My first choice is McClintock, but I will certainly not do anything that would help Davis stay in office, or elect Bustamante. The failed policies of the Democrats in office are the only reasons we are debating this, is it your wish for this to continue?
18 posted on 09/10/2003 7:30:29 AM PDT by woodyinscc
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