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To: PhiKapMom
Watching the debate last night, I realized just how dangerous Howard Dean can be if he becomes the Dem candidate. Kerry's too boring for the general election, Lieberman is too moderate for the primaries. Dean can go to the left in the primaries and then run down the center. He's a good, witty, aggressive public speaker with the ability to toss out one-liners (the Trent Lott comment last night was pretty funny).

We shouldn't underestimate Dean- his debate performances are good. He's Clintonian, without the skirtchasing. The man is dangerous.

Funniest comments of the night came from Al Sharpton, though, when he threatened to sic some of his homeboys on the LaRouche disruptors.

9 posted on 09/10/2003 9:06:16 AM PDT by Modernman
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To: Modernman; All
I think Dean is dangerous too! Just received this email from AOL Update Mail that shows Edwards going after Dean:

Edwards Critical of Dean Over Race Remark

By NEDRA PICKLER
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - Democrat Howard Dean's claim that he is the only white politician who talks about race to white audiences drew criticism Wednesday from his presidential rivals. Sen. John Edwards said the entire field discusses racial issues on the campaign trail.

``I think what Howard Dean said last night does a disservice to everyone he stood next to and all the people before us who have raised this issue over and over again in front of all audiences,'' the North Carolina lawmaker said one day after the nine candidates debated in Baltimore.

Dean, defending himself against criticism that his supporters are mostly white, told the predominantly black debate crowd, ``I'm the only white politician that ever talks about race in front of white audiences.''

Dean was wrong.

Edwards urges racial tolerance in nearly ever speech he gives on the campaign trail, including addresses to white crowds. Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut talks about his efforts as a student during the 1960s civil rights movement. Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts has discussed race and its role in his Vietnam service.

``What he said last night was divisive and divisive is exactly what we're trying to overcome. He's right about one thing, politicians should talk about civil rights wherever they go. And in the future, I hope he leads by example instead of by attack,'' Edwards said in a telephone interview.

``Sen. Lieberman marched with Martin Luther King. Sen. Kerry talks about his experience in Vietnam. I grew up in the segregated South. Fighting for civil rights is part of who I am which is why I talked about it in front of every audience and whoever I'm with,'' he said.

The North Carolina lawmaker had avoided attacking his rivals until Wednesday, but his criticism is another sign that Dean's eight rivals are throwing elbows at the front-runner in an effort to force their way to the front.

``Governor Dean's statement was as false as it was inflammatory,'' said Jim Jordan, campaign manager for Kerry. ``John Kerry has been speaking out bluntly, in front of all audiences, on the issues of race relations and discrimination since he became a pubic figure more than 30 years ago.''

In previous appearances together, the candidates have looked more like a ragtag team of underdogs hankering to make the big leagues and take on President Bush. The sharpest barbs have been aimed at the president, while the candidates largely have avoided challenging each other by name.

Not so Tuesday night at a debate sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus. Some of the sharpest exchanges were between front-runner Dean and Lieberman, the Democratic vice presidential nominee in 2000.

Lieberman said comments Dean made last week about the Middle East ``break a 50-year record in which presidents, Republicans and Democrats, members of Congress of both parties have supported our relationship with Israel.''

The former Vermont governor responded that his position was the same as former President Clinton's, and Lieberman, who is Jewish, interrupted by saying, ``Not right ... not right.''

``It doesn't help, Joe, to demagogue this issue,'' Dean replied.

And so the gloves were off.

Several other Democrats said Lieberman's performance illustrated why his rivals shied away from attacking Dean, even at the risk of allowing Dean to build on the momentum he developed over the summer.

``It basically sounded shrill to me,'' said Joe Shanahan, veteran Democratic activist in Iowa. ``Lieberman didn't make his point well, and Dean responded strongly.''

One candidate who didn't take on Dean was the one who may be most threatened by him, Kerry. Dean has taken over Kerry's early lead in the early primary state of New Hampshire. Kerry has decided not to go negative now, although some of his supporters and even some advisers have been pressing him to do so.

The debate was at Morgan State University, a historically black college, and the Democrats took pains to stress their support for civil rights and other concerns to blacks - although Al Sharpton said black voters shouldn't allow themselves to be taken for granted.

``We need to correct the party so we can beat Bush with one expanded pie,'' he said in remarks critical of what he sees as Democratic inattentiveness to black concerns.

But international affairs dominated the debate. It opened with questions on Iraq, and some of the candidates tried to maintain their focus on Bush by criticizing his handling of the postwar reconstruction.

But those who opposed Bush's attack on Iraq put some of the blame on their fellow Democratic candidates who voted for the war resolution - Kerry, Lieberman, Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina and Missouri Rep. Dick Gephardt.

Without mentioning any names, Sen. Bob Graham of Florida said they handed Bush ``a blank check.'' Former Illinois Sen. Carol Moseley Braun said they gave the president ``the right to go on a free-for-all.''

Sharpton threw one of Gephardt's favorite lines - that Bush's foreign policy is a ``miserable failure'' - back at him and the other war supporters.

``I've never heard of people acting like they didn't know we needed an exit when we gave him an entrance,'' Sharpton said. ``That is a miserable failure for us to allow this president to play these kinds of games.''

09/10/03 11:08 EDT

(My bold and underline)

16 posted on 09/10/2003 9:16:07 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Alpha Omnicon Pi Mom too! Visit http://www.georgewbush.com!)
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To: Modernman; PhiKapMom; yall
Funniest comments of the night came from Al Sharpton, though, when he
threatened to sic some of his homeboys on the LaRouche disruptors.

Hey, I'm votin' for ole Al, I tell ya !! ...


"If I can slap this donkey I can make it kick George Bush
out of the White House."--Al Sharpton

... not !!! :O)


28 posted on 09/10/2003 9:51:11 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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To: Modernman
Agree, completely! Dean is dangerous and the Repubs should not dismiss him or underestimate him. He is good at saying what people want to hear and he can be "charming". The only hope is that he will show his true colors and explode when (IF)he is pushed by some reporter. But doubt this will happen since he is the darling of most of the liberal media. Also waiting for some reporter with guts to ask Sharpton why he is not a liar or gang leader considering his role in the Tawana Brawley incident.
31 posted on 09/10/2003 10:04:45 AM PDT by 4integrity (AJ)
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To: Modernman
"he threatened to sic some of his homeboys on the LaRouche disruptors"

Yes, it was funny .. but then he accused Bush of being a ganster bully!

That's the pot calling the kettle black.
64 posted on 09/10/2003 1:38:47 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - "The Greatest Nation on the Face of the Earth")
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