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Top U.S. border official questions California driver licenses
modesto bee ^ | 9-10-03 | elliot spagat

Posted on 09/10/2003 9:38:07 AM PDT by hoosierskypilot

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:56:06 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: johnb838
Get married, silly. ;-)
21 posted on 09/10/2003 10:20:47 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: RonF
I believe it was verified the other day, on a couple of threads, that there are 23 other states that will issue licenses to non-citizens.
22 posted on 09/10/2003 10:23:12 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: hoosierskypilot
Locking the barn after the horse is out yet again. This is getting very, very old.
23 posted on 09/10/2003 10:24:04 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: MineralMan
The easiest thing for the INS to do is to require passports from US citizens on re-entry into the USA.

Yes, that would be the easiest thing to do, unfortunately, the majority of Americans would scream bloody murder, that the Government was attempting to restrict their right to move freely in and out of the US.

24 posted on 09/10/2003 10:25:24 AM PDT by Travis Bickel/Marine Inspector (You talkin' to me?)
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To: MineralMan
Why do we not need a passport to re-enter from Mexico?

Does Mexico have a special standing with the USA?

25 posted on 09/10/2003 10:26:04 AM PDT by Baseballguy
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To: eabinga
For the purpose of entering the country, we already have a national ID card. Its called a passport.

You are not required to use a passport to enter this country (or many other countries) - you can also use a notarized birth certificate and a valid photo ID - eh, like a driver's license. Hence the problem.

26 posted on 09/10/2003 10:28:05 AM PDT by dirtboy (www.ArmorforCongress.com - because lawyers with a clue are rarer than truth-telling Democrats)
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To: Baseballguy
Why do we not need a passport to re-enter from Mexico?

Does Mexico have a special standing with the USA?

Yes it does.

For US Citizens, passports are required for entry, only if you are traveling directly from Europe or Asia or South America.

Unfortunately, many Americans cried and complained about that requirement, so it's no longer enforced.

The vast majority of folks that complain about illegals getting ID’s will never allow the Government to force US Citizens to have an ID to travel.

Current immigration regulations, do not require a US citizen from having any ID to enter from Mexico or Canada.

27 posted on 09/10/2003 10:33:13 AM PDT by Travis Bickel/Marine Inspector (You talkin' to me?)
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To: dirtboy
You are not required to use a passport to enter this country

US Citizens are not required to have any ID to enter this country. Not even a birth certificate.

28 posted on 09/10/2003 10:35:10 AM PDT by Travis Bickel/Marine Inspector (You talkin' to me?)
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To: johnb838
Get yourself a wife ;~)

Seriously, there are many housecleaning services in the yellow pages that hire legal workers. Just ask.
29 posted on 09/10/2003 10:36:39 AM PDT by Weimdog
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To: Travis Bickel
US Citizens are not required to have any ID to enter this country. Not even a birth certificate.

That is not correct. How do you prove that you are a U.S. citizen? A birth certificate. How do you prove you are the person on that birth certificate? Photo ID. If you have a passport, you've already proven both, but without a passport you still have to prove both.

30 posted on 09/10/2003 10:39:17 AM PDT by dirtboy (www.ArmorforCongress.com - because lawyers with a clue are rarer than truth-telling Democrats)
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To: hoosierskypilot
There you have it. Davis has guaranteed much misery for America.

Huh? It's the Federal governments responsibility to control our borders and protect our sovereignty. The Federal government has stood by and allowed many *MILLIONS* of illegal aliens into this country. Thousands are crossing as we speak. From North Carolina to Texas, states are being inundated and choked off with hundreds of thousands of illegals.

And you are blaming California for all of this?

I don't give a damn if Davis or the governor of Tennessee want to take illegals to the election booth in stretch limos.

They are entering through NATIONAL, FEDERAL borders. This nationwide invasion of millions is being brought to us by the Federal Government. It's a Federal government approved invasion. Wake T-F up.

31 posted on 09/10/2003 10:46:22 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Stop it, your killing me.)
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To: dirtboy
That is not correct.

Yes it is. A US citizen is only required to make a verbal declaration of citizenship.

State Department regulations state: "U.S. citizens returning from abroad must present a valid passport for entry into the United States unless returning from an adjacent country, territory, or island (excluding Cuba) such as Canada and Mexico."

The passport requirement is no longer enforced, by direction of the State Department.

32 posted on 09/10/2003 10:53:17 AM PDT by Travis Bickel/Marine Inspector (You talkin' to me?)
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To: dirtboy
How do you prove that you are a U.S. citizen? A birth certificate.

LOL, it's easier to get a birth certificate than it is a get a DL, and they are easier to counterfeit.

By, law, a verbal declaration is all a US citizen needs, when returning from Mexico. No ID, no BC, no nothing.

33 posted on 09/10/2003 10:56:49 AM PDT by Travis Bickel/Marine Inspector (You talkin' to me?)
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To: Travis Bickel
From the State Department website:

Returning to the United States – Caution! Make certain that you can return to the United States with the proof of citizenship that you take with you. Although some countries may allow you to enter with only a birth certificate, U.S. law requires that you document both your U.S. citizenship and identity when you reenter the United States.

I last went to Mexico in 1999 (by plane) - I had to present a passport to come back into the country.

34 posted on 09/10/2003 10:59:33 AM PDT by dirtboy (www.ArmorforCongress.com - because lawyers with a clue are rarer than truth-telling Democrats)
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To: Travis Bickel
By, law, a verbal declaration is all a US citizen needs, when returning from Mexico. No ID, no BC, no nothing.

Once again, please document that claim, because it runs counter to both State Department guidelines and my own foreign travel experiences (although my last foreign travel was in October of 1999).

35 posted on 09/10/2003 11:00:30 AM PDT by dirtboy (www.ArmorforCongress.com - because lawyers with a clue are rarer than truth-telling Democrats)
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To: dirtboy
I had to present a passport to come back into the country.

No, you did not have to, you were requested to. A very big difference.

If you had refused, you would have been allowed to enter.

36 posted on 09/10/2003 11:02:43 AM PDT by Travis Bickel/Marine Inspector (You talkin' to me?)
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To: Travis Bickel
No, you did not have to, you were requested to. A very big difference. If you had refused, you would have been allowed to enter.

Once again, please provide a cite for this claim.

37 posted on 09/10/2003 11:06:07 AM PDT by dirtboy (www.ArmorforCongress.com - because lawyers with a clue are rarer than truth-telling Democrats)
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To: dirtboy
Once again, please document that claim, because it runs counter to both State Department guidelines and my own foreign travel experiences (although my last foreign travel was in October of 1999).

OK, from the State Department: "U.S. citizens returning from abroad must present a valid passport for entry into the United States unless returning from an adjacent country, territory, or island (excluding Cuba) such as Canada and Mexico."

38 posted on 09/10/2003 11:08:07 AM PDT by Travis Bickel/Marine Inspector (You talkin' to me?)
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To: Travis Bickel
OK, from the State Department: "U.S. citizens returning from abroad must present a valid passport for entry into the United States unless returning from an adjacent country, territory, or island (excluding Cuba) such as Canada and Mexico."

However, that does NOT mean that they do not have to provide both ID and proof of citizenship, such as the combination of a driver's license and a birth certificate. I used those when I went to Mexico in 1996.

39 posted on 09/10/2003 11:09:24 AM PDT by dirtboy (www.ArmorforCongress.com - because lawyers with a clue are rarer than truth-telling Democrats)
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To: Baseballguy
"Why do we not need a passport to re-enter from Mexico?

Does Mexico have a special standing with the USA?"

Mexico does not require US tourists to have a passport to enter the country, just proof of citizenship. Lots of folks use birth certificates. I'm not sure what other documents work for entry into Mexico. Since no passport is required to enter, none is required to return. I think that should be changed.

In my opinion, all US citizens should carry their passports any time they leave the country, whether they are required to enter the other country or not. I further believe that INS should require passports for reentry.

Sure, lots of folks will cry bloody murder at having to "show their papers." They're the same folks who are whining about our lax borders. You can't have it both ways.
40 posted on 09/10/2003 11:22:39 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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