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ISRAEL SHOULD NEVER NEGOTIATE PEACE WITH TERRORISTS
The Los Angeles Times ^ | September 12, 2003 | Yossi Klein Halevi

Posted on 09/12/2003 11:40:35 AM PDT by Tom Jefferson

Israel Should Never Again Negotiate Peace With Terrorists The havoc that followed the famous 1993 handshake bears a bitter lesson. By Yossi Klein Halevi Yossi Klein Halevi is the Israel correspondent for the New Republic and an associate fellow at the Shalem Center, a think tank in Jerusalem.

September 12, 2003

JERUSALEM — None of us who at first supported the White House handshake on Sept. 13, 1993, which initiated the Palestinian-Israeli Oslo process, would have imagined then that it would end in the worst wave of terrorism in Israel's history.

This week's terrorist attacks, grimly marking the 10th anniversary of the Oslo process, only reaffirm the bitter lesson Israelis have learned about the consequences of empowering terrorists as peace partners.

Every prediction made by the Israeli right about the Oslo process has been vindicated. The more territory Israel ceded, the more terrorism it received in return.

One result of the Palestinian betrayal of peace has been the near-fatal demoralization of the Israeli left. Courageous Israelis who devoted their political careers to promoting peace with the PLO have seen their life work exposed as illusion.

At the same time, few Israelis would argue with the necessity of ending the occupation. It's astonishing to recall that, until the Oslo process, only Israel's far left supported a Palestinian state. When Yitzhak Rabin was elected prime minister in 1992, his Labor Party platform opposed a Palestinian state and the redivision of Jerusalem. Today, even Ariel Sharon accepts the inevitability of an independent Palestine.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arafat; israel; palestinians; terrorism; terrorists; waronterror; yossikleinhalevi
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An interesting editorial because it is written by a former leftie/peacenik who has realized that passivity, pacifism and non-violence never solved anything. If Halevi can move from the left to the right, maybe there is hope for some of our US lefties.
1 posted on 09/12/2003 11:40:35 AM PDT by Tom Jefferson
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To: Tom Jefferson
From the LA Times? Wow.
2 posted on 09/12/2003 11:41:18 AM PDT by RoughDobermann (Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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To: dennisw; TopQuark; Alouette; OKCSubmariner; veronica; weikel; EU=4th Reich; BrooklynGOP; ...
Let me know if you want on or off of this list.
3 posted on 09/12/2003 11:43:00 AM PDT by Tom Jefferson
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I don't know about you but, I'm a God believing christian. So, i believe that the bible is true. In the bible it talks about the jews fighting the philistines as long ago as 4000b.c. The philistines and the palestinians are THE SAME PEOPLE! They have been fighting for over 3000 years! THEY ARE NEVER EVER EVER GOING TO GET ALONG! So,.,.,.the only course of action that makes any sense is to either....back off and let them settle it for themselves.....or we go in and ELIMINATE the "philistines" from the earth. this is a biased opinion but, hey, arent they all?
4 posted on 09/12/2003 11:49:59 AM PDT by camondw (Que Sera Sera)
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To: camondw
I agree with your biased opinion, except I think the latter choice is the better.


5 posted on 09/12/2003 12:15:36 PM PDT by Tom Jefferson
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To: Tom Jefferson
ISRAEL SHOULD NEVER NEGOTIATE PEACE WITH TERRORISTS

And neither should the U.S.


6 posted on 09/12/2003 12:31:56 PM PDT by putupon (The text in this tagline serves no purpose other than to occupy the space between the parentheses)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
7 posted on 09/12/2003 1:02:31 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: Tom Jefferson
The only way to stop this : Israel must wage all out
war and conquer the other side.
8 posted on 09/12/2003 1:04:42 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman
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To: camondw
I don't know about you but, I'm a God believing christian. So, i believe that the bible is true. In the bible it talks about the jews fighting the philistines as long ago as 4000b.c. The philistines and the palestinians are THE SAME PEOPLE! They have been fighting for over 3000 years! THEY ARE NEVER EVER EVER GOING TO GET ALONG! So,.,.,.the only course of action that makes any sense is to either....back off and let them settle it for themselves.....or we go in and ELIMINATE the "philistines" from the earth. this is a biased opinion but, hey, arent they all?

The "Palestinians" are NOT the Philistines, they are Jordanian, Egyptian, and Syrian Arabs, most of whom moved to British Mandate Palesine after the mid 1800', as a result of economic opportunity created by returning Diaspora Jews. The demographic records bear this out.

The Philistines were not semetic, they were hellenic seafaring people, likely originally from the area around Crete.
9 posted on 09/12/2003 1:10:32 PM PDT by adam_az
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To: Tom Jefferson
Absolutely agree it is deadly to attempt to negotiate with killers. It's time to end the Arafat debacle. Too many Israelis have died on the altar of world opinion that Arafat manipulated.
10 posted on 09/12/2003 9:05:09 PM PDT by WaterDragon (America the beautiful, I love this nation of (legal) immigrants.)
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To: RoughDobermann
From a guest writer at the Slimes, does not reflect viewpoint of regular Slimes writers.
11 posted on 09/12/2003 10:02:22 PM PDT by hasegawasama
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To: Tom Jefferson
ISRAEL SHOULD NEVER NEGOTIATE PEACE WITH TERRORISTS

Bush, Powell and Rice disagree. They want a terrorist STATE. Moving on...

12 posted on 09/12/2003 10:03:39 PM PDT by montag813
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To: hasegawasama
I'd imagine that the leftie American Jewish Demopukes that voted against realism in Israeli politics, are now feeling pretty depressed.

800 Israelis have been murdered by terrorist homicide bombers in the last three years.

13 posted on 09/12/2003 10:06:54 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Tom Jefferson
When I click on the link above, it says you have to register. I thought most US boards were covered by the password "Hillary Clinton is a Liar". Please advise.
14 posted on 09/12/2003 10:10:06 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: adam_az
The "Palestinians" are NOT the Philistines, they are Jordanian, Egyptian, and Syrian Arabs, most of whom moved to British Mandate Palesine after the mid 1800', as a result of economic opportunity created by returning Diaspora Jews. The demographic records bear this out.

It is interesting to look at a school text from the mid 1800s. The book is "CORNELL'S INTERMEDIATE GEOGRAPHY" New York: D. Appleton and Company, 443 &445 Broadway - - - Cincinnati: Rickey, Mallory & Company by S. S. Cornell. The book belonged to my great uncle Henry. His signature is dated 1864 in the cover. Uncle Henry was one year old when his father Francis and mother Louisa went by wagon train to California in 1852.







15 posted on 09/13/2003 6:47:41 AM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Tom Jefferson
When one accepts the inevitability of an independent Palestine, one must also accept the fact that a Jewish state will no longer be allowed to exist according to what the Palestinians are preaching.
16 posted on 09/13/2003 6:57:33 AM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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I have been watching these developments for several years and like most clear thinking individuals who know anything about Prophecy and what it says about the region; a organized plan of deception is forthcoming from the U.S. State Department in Washington meant to stiffel the Jewish State completely.

The classic terror tactics aimed at The Jewish State are designed to make it a vassal state of compliant order takers that we would never agree to if the tables were turned on us instead. The U.S. State Department as I have said on numerous occasions is the #1 chief Enemy of the Jewish State...period! People like the In-House TRAITOR colon the bowell continues to promote a deadly policy of appeasement aimed solely at the Jewish Nation.

The combined ignorance of the State Department in particular is forcing a deadly Anti-Jehovah God policy down the throats of the Jewish Nation. In our national exercise of gross stupidity the American electorate is allowing our Un-Elected internal Traitors to put the Jewish Nation in Jeopardy by violating the express edict given by Jehovah God in Genesis 12:2. We as a nation do not do this out of ignorance in total. They know exactly what they are about and are more than eager to thumb their noses at Jehovah God in the process. This action I speak of has been preached very effectively to them in this forum in particular not only by myself but many others as well! Ignorance of this will not fly as an excuse; and they will some day have to answer for their sins against the Jewish Nation as well as America.

The Jewish people are not totally free of blame in all this either. A common sense approach has got to be adopted very soon by the leadership in Jerusalem. Because of all the State Department meddeling and the weak and ineffective leadership of Sharon,peres & barak over the years we find everything in total shambles, simply for the fact of not assuming the power position in determining their own country's future. The piss ant personality; arafat under the protection of the traitorous U.S. State Department appeasers continues to be the reason for us and them having to deal with the roadmap.

The national stragetic interests of the Jewish Nation is addressed by launching a full military maximum effort to destroy Hamas and the palestinian network led by the piss ant arafat; dragging him out feet first and dead if necessary! Sharon must finally and forever tell the U.S. State Department to go suck an egg and fix their own problems at home. The damage that has and is being done right now has put America directly in the crosshairs of Jehovah God for directly and expressly violating his Biblical Edicts. Frankly for all the good we have the capacity to do and have done we are getting too big for our britches; in that we now find ourselves stretched beyond our limits and now we are dictating terms to a Sovereign Nation with many more years experience in waging war. The Jewish Nation has a fearful arsenal of weapons at its disposal and if they will abandon the State Department's traitorous advice and fall on their faces and seek Jehovah God, they will have all the help necessary for survival in these dangerous times.

As I have said The Jewish State is not immune from taking and giving bad advice. If you calculate in square miles the Promise Land Jehovah God has apportioned to the Jewish Nation in Genesis 15:18 you will come to a figure in the neghiborhood of about 297,000 square miles that extends over 850 statute miles west to east from the river of egypt, El Arish on the Mediterranean coast to north of Kuwait and over 350 miles north to south along that plain; encompassing parts of Jordan,Iraq,Syria and Lebanon.

This area that Jehovah God has apportioned to the Jewish Nation is called the Promised Land and is held exclusively for the JEW! Unfortunately because of the waring factions in the regions a defunct group of displaced persons called palestinians think they are the real owners of a parcel of real estate reserved solely for the Jewish Nation. These liars and misfits are leftovers from numerous wars that they lost fighting against Jehovah God. They will never own a single square inch of this Promised Land in a Billion Trillion years because it is Non- Negotiable now and forever! The weak and ineffective leadership that has been in existence all these many years in Israel has tried every way they could to trade land for peace in a vain effort that flies in the face of Jehovah God the same way our efforts to force a peace treaty down their throats riding on a roadmap going down to perdition!

As a result of not trusting in Jehovah God and electing liberals like peres and barak; with a good shoulder held rifle you can shoot across the entire territory in numerous places. What this indicates is that the nation has lost all its barganing chips and finds itself backed up to the Mediterranean Sea in a vain attempt to negotiate with Terrorist Piss Ants like arafat. The Jewish Nation now has to decide! Those who will partition and divide the land will incur the wrath of Jehovah God; whether they be Jewish,Gentile or Arab. The destiny of the Jewish Nation is now in the hands of those who know nothing of current or past history of the region and make no mistake of this Jehovah God does not need any help in administrating the Jewish Nation. He does not mince his words or parse his sentences either.

We stand at the demarcation line of all History and sooner rather than later you will witness the Sovereign Of The Universe defend the Apple of His Eye! He will either use those there who can see his vision or he will move out those who will not follow him and his edicts. Remember carefully what Jehovah has done to his own Chosen people over the Ages past for not obeying him; what chance do we stand if he turns his anger toward us? We, because of what we have done and are doing now are fully guilty of putting the Jewish Nation in Jeopardy; and like I said earlier we like them will have no valid excuse for what we do ignorantly or otherwise!

17 posted on 09/13/2003 8:51:57 AM PDT by winker
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To: winker
fundamentaly . . . uh . . . bullshit
18 posted on 09/13/2003 11:12:40 AM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Tom Jefferson
"ISRAEL SHOULD NEVER NEGOTIATE PEACE WITH TERRORISTS"

Perhaps they should let the French negotiate for them!!

Ya, that's the ticket!

19 posted on 09/13/2003 11:16:19 AM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism: A failure every time it is tried!)
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To: Ciexyz
The LA Times requires registration, but that means signing up with your name and e-mail address. No cost. If you want a copy of the article without registering, let me know and I will e-mail it to you.
20 posted on 09/13/2003 12:05:43 PM PDT by Tom Jefferson
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