How can anyone be a bystander while someone is stabbed? Mark Steyn

Steyn Online ^ | 12 Sep 2003 | Mark Steyn

[Think free or die]

"But, of course, no one will ever hijack an American plane ever again - not because of idiotic confiscations of tweezers, but because of the brave passengers on the fourth flight. That's why the great British shoebomber had barely got the match to his sock before half the cabin pounded the crap out of him. Even the French. "

Great insight.

[The Mayor]

"But it would be better if you dealt with him. You're there and I'm not." That's the best advice I've ever been given.

Yup!

[GOPJ]

Steyn's great, as usual.

[Congressman Billybob]

I agree with you. The late, great Michael Kelly has an heir. His name is Mark Stein. And I do not say that lightly.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "Paying the Wrong Piper," discussion thread on FR. Article is also on ChronWatch.

[litany_of_lies]

"This can happen to anyone, anywhere," said Annika, described as "a 24-year-old bystander", at the scene of the attack. "She should have had bodyguards."

Some breathing human being actually said this?

Ms. Annika, would the bodyguards even have a right to inflict any harm on would-be attackers? In England, individuals don't, and their bodyguards probably don't either.

[nicollo]

The tragedy of socialism is the abandonment of the individual. Imagine that! -- the cure-all state trades your life for the sake of the rest. That's like you're up against Utah Beach, and you turn around and your buddies are all hollering for your success from their boats offshore, as you walk the Nazi firing line. Americans who threw themselves at Normandy didn't do it for God and country, they did it for Mom and Dad, and then for God and country. If they had to do it for someone else, say, FDR, they'd have never gotten on the boats.

Imagine if Dubya tried to sell the Iraq war by saying that Saddam was a danger to the USofA. He'd have gotten as far as an Al Franken punch line. No, our soldiers did and do it for themselves first, then God and country. If it were the other way around, we'd be glorifying our soldiers' entrance to heaven, rather than crying over their each and every exit. There's no such thing as a suicide bomber in America.

Ferners will never understand it. I tried to explain it back in March to a Mexican friend by telling her that we were going to war in Iraq not because of WMD or the UN resolutions or anything else, but because I was afraid, and 250 million other Americans felt personally, themselves, afraid and under attack. She'll never understand.

Give yourself to the State, and nobody gives a damn for you, not even yourself. The lesson of the "no vacancy" signs at French morgues this summer has been lost to global warming. The crisis came not in death tolls, but in the treatment of the dead. A people that are fed by their government will expect the government to bury them, too. Oops, nobody showed up for the funeral.

Thank God for American individualism.

[JerseyHighlander]

POLICE OFFICER: All right. Hold it right there.
KRAMER: What?
POLICE OFFICER: You're under arrest.
JERRY: Under arrest? What for?
POLICE OFFICER: Article 223-7 of the Latham county penal code.
ELAINE: What? No, no. We didn't do anything.
POLICE OFFICER: That's exactly right. The law requires you to help or assist anyone in danger as long as it's reasonable to do so.
GEORGE: I never heard of that.
POLICE OFFICER: It's new. It's called The Good Samaritan Law. Let's go.

Anyone from NY who thinks about this episode now, has moved to the polar opposite of opinion since 9/11. American culture has shifted from this laissez faire "right of every metropolitan to do nothing", Europe's popular culture, hasn't.

This murder is rife for conspiracy theorists. List the groups who opposed her or could gain advantage by her murder. Evil pro-Euro Yes camp, rabid muslims, far-right NO camp, neo-nazis, rabid enviromentalist lone nutso, Jorge Soros, ECB, Swede nationalists, trade unions, etc. "Warren commission Swede style" might wake up some of the Swedish population from their cradle to grave slumber. I hope there isn't a Sweidsh Oliver Stone "made" out of this tragedy.

[BartMan1]

I would like to see some enterprising media type interview each of the bystanders at this slaughter, and probe them one by one as to their thoughts as they watched this go down.

Steyn is right. I will bet that a large number of them thought that the police would be there any minute to get this guy -- and they never came.

The thing that plays into this, I think is something that the military has always been aware of , but you rarely here it spoken of amongst civilians. A soldier (and similarly, a citizen), when faced with overwhelming violence, has to be taught to defend himself. It is rare to find an individual who instinctively strikes back. Especially if he is in a crowd, the individual watching violence approach instinctively freezes , and assumes a posture least likely to call attention to itself. It is the instinct of prey, and it happens so often on the battlefield amongst undertrained and underled troops that it is a truism.

Sentient reporters would recognize this as the behavior of the bystanders at that mall, and in seeking to understand it and explain it, would go a long way toward teaching us something about human nature.

[Tamzee]

Steyn nails it again :-)

Thanks for the great post!

[Shooter 2.5]

This isn't an argument for guns

MMM, well, ok, then I'll do it. Buy a gun. Learn to use it.

[knews_hound]

BTTT

[Prodigal Son]

What, exactly does Wog mean? I know here in the UK it is considered an unacceptable thing to call people. Is it not so in the US or does it mean something positive?

[Think free or die]

It seems to me that people are generally less willing to get involved, even if the situation doesn't involve violence. As an example, this summer I was at the beach with my kids and mother. We were chatting with some other folks when we noticed that a swimmer was removing a buoy that marked the safe swimming area. The swimmer carried the buoy off to his nearby car. Two of us followed the fellow, made note of his car tag number, and asked him what he was doing. As it turns out, he had a marked municipal car and was removing the buoy for repairs. He appreciated being stopped by concerned citizens. He told us that he'd removed at least a dozen buoys over the summer from nearby beaches and that this was the only time he'd been questioned. Had he been a common thief, his action would have cost taxpayers hundreds of dollars, and perhaps compromised swimmer safety.

I don't understand why people are so reluctant to get involved, but we see it on a lot of levels. Not a healthy phenomenon.

[Prodigal Son]

Aye, insightful comments. This is the exact same phenomenom that took place on the first three planes on 9/11. There have been classic studies done on this in the past. If I recall, one interesting note from the studies was that someone from a rural background was more likely to intervene than someone from a city background. Perhaps this correlates to the Kurdish woman's sentiments?

[MARTIAL MONK]

What, exactly does Wog mean?

Short for Worthy Oriental Gentleman. The Brits tried to stop more disparaging names and ended up with Wog.

[MARTIAL MONK]

What, exactly does Wog mean?

Short for Worthy Oriental Gentleman. The Brits tried to stop more disparaging names and ended up with Wog.

[mcenedo]

bump

[Knightsofswing]

From what I rember that the "Lone Ranger" was a good guy! Let's hope that the President keeps it up!

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

In Lee Harris's forthcoming book Civilization And Its Enemies, he talks about the threat of societal forgetfulness: "Forgetfulness occurs when those who have been long inured to civilized order can no longer remember a time in which they had to wonder whether their crops would grow to maturity without being stolen or their children sold into slavery by a victorious foe."

I am adding this book to my "Must Have" list.

I have been preaching this for the last ten years at least although I just call them "over civilized." It is not that they are cowards, violence has just been so far removed from them that they have no idea what to do when it breaks down the door.

And so they dither and delay trying to find a "civilized way" to deal with an uncivilized enemy. And in the mean time people just keep on dying. And they try warnings and people just keep on dying. And they want to try this or that because it is a “softer” approach and people keep on dying.

By the time that they can actually be moved to do something the body count is through the roof and then they cluck and shake their heads at the people who actually saved them because one of the bad guys got a boo boo.

They make me want to pound the walls and scream.

Sorry for the rant.

[Becki]

There seem to have been an awful lot of bystanders to Miss Lindh's stabbing - in broad daylight, in a crowded department store, after being pursued by her assailant up an escalator.

Bet she wouldn't have complained if the Lone Ranger showed up about then.

Becki