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McClintock fights to overturn licenses for illegal aliens (Arnold opposes effort) REPOST
SF Chronicle ^ | Sept. 9, 2003 | Paul Feist

Posted on 09/13/2003 2:56:28 PM PDT by sruleoflaw

Hi,

The issue of giving drivers licenses to illegal aliens has the potential to be a huge issue -- and to affect the gubernatorial recall election. According to a recent Zogby poll, two-thirds of Californians oppose granting drivers licenses to illegal aliens.

Cruz Bustamante and Gray Davis support the recently-signed bill; Arnold Schwarzenegger says he's opposed to drivers licenses for illegal aliens (BUT will also oppose the referendum to overturn Democrat-pass legislation). Arnold seems to be playing both sides against the middle -- and, by opposing the referendum, WOULD LET THE LAW HE CLAIMS TO OPPOSE GO INTO EFFECT. Mr. Schwarzenegger also contended that if he were to be elected governor he would repeal the legislation by asking the Democrats to overturn the legislation they have just passed.

Two thoughts: 1) I cannot imagine Herb Wesson and John Burton doing anything but laugh at Schwarzenegger's request to change the legislation. 2) Mr. Schwarzenegger needs to receive a high school class lesson in government; governors veto, not repeal -- and once this law is in effect he has no alternative but to go to the initiative process to get rid of a harmful measure THAT WILL ALREADY BE IN EFFECT.

ONCE AGAIN, only one candidate -- Tom McClintock -- has stood up for the people. Working with the California Republican Assembly, McClintock is leading the drive secure enough signatures to qualify a referendum. I would urge you and others to circulate petitions to obtain the necessary 375,000 or so names. Once the referendum qualifies -- and I expect it to qualify easily -- the legislation is halted until the people vote the legislation up or down.

Sincerely,

Steve Wampler Radio talk show host, KCBC, 770 AM Sundays at 8 p.m., Saturdays at 3 p.m. (rebroadcasts)

“A Schwarzenegger spokesman said the actor will not support the referendum campaign but will seek other ways to repeal the legislation.” SF Chronicle 9-9-03

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Driver's license law is facing its own recall GOP candidate leads charge for referendum Paul Feist, Chronicle Staff Writer Tuesday, September 9, 2003 ©2003 San Francisco Chronicle | Feedback

URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/09/09/MN297914.DTL

Sacramento -- A conservative Republican group backed by gubernatorial candidate Tom McClintock announced on Monday a referendum drive to overturn legislation Gov. Gray Davis signed last week allowing illegal immigrants to obtain driver's licenses.

The law, which Davis signed Friday and touted over the weekend as he campaigned before a Latino audience in Los Angeles, poses grave security threats and undermines existing immigration laws, according to opponents who vowed to place the matter on the March 2004 ballot.

"To lower the standard for getting a driver's license -- in this era of al Qaeda and the era of identity theft -- is an attack on every citizen of California," said Mike Spence, president of the California Republican Assembly, a conservative wing of the state GOP.

Opponents will have to gather 373,816 signatures in about 90 days to place the measure on the ballot next year. The law is scheduled to go into effect on Jan. 1, but it would be stayed pending the election if enough signatures are collected.

The seldom used referendum -- along with the recall and the more common ballot initiative -- was one of the "direct democracy" reforms championed by Gov. Hiram Johnson in 1911 as a safeguard against undue corporate influence in state government. There have been 50 attempts to qualify referendums for statewide ballots, and only 25 have been passed by voters.

The driver's license bill has become a rallying point for both sides in the recall campaign, which increasingly is focusing on immigration and racial issues. Many Republicans charge that Davis' support for the bill, after vetoing similar measures, is a desperate attempt to bolster his support in the Latino community.

Supporters of the bill believe it makes California roads safer because up to 2 million people now driving without a license would get a license by taking the required written and road tests.

Davis vetoed earlier versions of the bill last year and in 1999, citing homeland security concerns, and law enforcement groups were split whether to support this year's legislation.

Critics of the bill by state Sen. Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles, said the legislation Davis signed is weaker than last year's version because it doesn't include provisions for background checks or the requirement that illegal immigrants seeking licenses also be pursuing legal resident status.

"It is ironic that while other states are tightening up on the issuance of driver's licenses after the attack on Sept. 11, California is moving in the opposite direction," said McClintock, a Republican state senator from Thousand Oaks (Ventura County) who is on the ballot to replace Davis in the recall election.

The bill's backers say the referendum attempt is just a way to stir up support for the recall of Davis and for candidates opposed to the legislation.

"It's unfortunate some people are playing politics with highway safety," Cedillo said.

In addition to McClintock, Republican actor Arnold Schwarzenegger has opposed the legislation. A Schwarzenegger spokesman said the actor will not support the referendum campaign but will seek other other ways to repeal the legislation.

State Democratic Party Chairman Art Torres suggested the referendum would outrage Latino voters -- many of whom have relatives and friends who are undocumented immigrants -- and further push Latinos away from the Republican Party.

Torres also suggested the initiative is part of a backlash by Republicans at the fact that immigrants have tended to become Democrats once they become citizens.

"It's another attempt to beat us over the head because we are a growing element of fear for the Republicans in this state," he said. "They fear that Latinos -- which is true -- are overwhelmingly Democratic."

Chronicle staff writer Zachary Coile contributed to this report. / E-mail Paul Feist at pfeist@sfchronicle.com.

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1 posted on 09/13/2003 2:56:34 PM PDT by sruleoflaw
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To: sruleoflaw
Bump for the Reagan Republicans
2 posted on 09/13/2003 2:57:33 PM PDT by sruleoflaw ((FOR TOM MCCLINTOCK: Arnold will get my vote when hell freezes over and pigs fly))
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To: sruleoflaw
Arnold also opposed licenses for illegals. So now the McClinton supporters are resorting to outright lies?
3 posted on 09/13/2003 2:59:33 PM PDT by byteback (Don't vote for a proven loser)
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To: byteback


Before you call people names and liar, GET YOUR FACTS DOWN.

How much do you know about how government works?

Governors veto, they do not repeal. And if Arnold has his way, the MEASURE WILL GO INTO LAW AND THERE WILL BE DRIVERS LICENSES FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS. Go back and read the post before you comment. There are issues involved and you might do yourself a favor and study them before you expose yourself.

TO STOP THE LAW GOING INTO EFFECT, California has a referendum process in which we can gather some 375,000 signatures to stop a law. The period only last 90 days. McClintock and the Calif. Rep. Assembly are trying to circulate petitions to overturn the law. ARNOLD SAYS HE OPPOSES LICENSES FOR ILLEGALS -- AND THEN OPPOSES THE REFERENDUM. Arnold is already sounding like a slimey, weasely politician. I oppose it, but I don't support the referendum to stop. He sounds like Gray Davis or Cruz to me. Go back and read the article. I've even called Arnold's supporter in Congress to verify this info. Man, you are out of touch.
4 posted on 09/13/2003 3:05:58 PM PDT by sruleoflaw ((FOR TOM MCCLINTOCK: Arnold will get my vote when hell freezes over and pigs fly))
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To: sruleoflaw
the title of your thread is inaccurate. Ahnold has so far refused to support the referendum. Not quite the same as "opposing" it.
5 posted on 09/13/2003 3:06:14 PM PDT by ambrose (Member of the McClintock Militia)
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To: sruleoflaw
Praying for the few normal, good people left in KA -- the place is a really awful Felini (sp?) movie.
6 posted on 09/13/2003 3:08:47 PM PDT by viaveritasvita (QUIZ: IT QUACKS LIKE A RINO,THINKS LIKE A RINO,TALKS LIKE A RINO. WHAT IS IT?)
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To: ambrose
I appreciate your posts -- and I thank you for the advice.

However, Arnold opposes the referendum. Here: “A Schwarzenegger spokesman said the actor will not support the referendum campaign but will seek other ways to repeal the legislation.” SF Chronicle 9-9-03

Let me ask you a question: WHAT CAN ARNOLD DO TO STOP THIS LEGISLATION FROM TAKING EFFECT OTHER THAN A REFERENDUM? Absolutely nothing, possibly other than an initiative at some future point. So, in effect, Arnold would allow the measure to go into effect. THERE IS NO OTHER ANSWER.

I don't know how to amend my title, Ambrose, but if you wanted to rephrase it for me, I'm not opposed to "Arnold opposes referendum effort".
7 posted on 09/13/2003 3:13:15 PM PDT by sruleoflaw ((FOR TOM MCCLINTOCK: Arnold will get my vote when hell freezes over and pigs fly))
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To: ambrose
Ahnold has so far refused to support the referendum. Not quite the same as "opposing" it.

Not quite the same, in theory.

Exactly the same in practice.

Bottom line: in Arnold's California, Davis' final word on the issue stands. Illegals get driver's licenses.

That leaves precisely one candidate who'll actually do anything about this travesty.

8 posted on 09/13/2003 3:15:24 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: byteback
Please take time to digest your mental food, and you won't embarrass yourself by puking it all over the page.

Go back and read the article.

9 posted on 09/13/2003 3:18:11 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: sruleoflaw
Here is the O'Reilly interview on the Foxnews site. Which part of this answer is unclear?

O'REILLY: Continuing now with Arnold Schwarzenegger, who may become the next governor of California in October.

Incredibly, the state of California has about two million undocumented aliens running around, and Governor Davis just signed a bill that will give them driver's licenses. If you're elected, will you rescind that?

SCHWARZENEGGER: I definitely would rescind the driver's license, because I think it is unfair to the rest of the people of California. They have now driver's licensing required of people from all over the world that can come and get driver's licenses without any background check. I think it is ridiculous. It's unsafe for the state. It creates big security problems here. The law enforcement community is against that. The federal government is against that. The attorney general of California, Bill Lockyer, is against that, and I am definitely against it. I think, like I said, it will create serious security problems.

10 posted on 09/13/2003 3:19:52 PM PDT by byteback (Don't vote for a proven loser)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Thank you greatly for seeing what is happening.

Cruz and Gray support DL's for illegals. Arnold says he opposes DL's for illegals -- BUT THEN REFUSES TO BACK THE REFERENDUM TO OVERTURN THE MEASURE, SO THE IMPACT OF ARNOLD'S ACTION TO ALLOW THE LAW TO TAKE EFFECT. I despise politicians like Arnold Schwarzenegger who speak out of both sides of their mouth...and I'm saddened when others are so dull in their perceptions that they can't catch on.

McClintock and the CRA ARE WORKING TO STOP THIS BOON LAW FOR TERRORISTS FROM TAKING EFFECT. Tom deserves the best and the support of the people. Arnold deserves to receive a gubernatorial campaign pink slip.
11 posted on 09/13/2003 3:20:24 PM PDT by sruleoflaw ((FOR TOM MCCLINTOCK: Arnold will get my vote when hell freezes over and pigs fly))
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To: byteback
But ARNOLD in his OWN WORDS will not fight to overturn it!!!
12 posted on 09/13/2003 3:22:07 PM PDT by pollywog
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To: sruleoflaw
Thanks for setting the RECORD straight to the ignorant ARNOLD LOVERS!!!! Wake up you who are supporting Arnold. When he gets into the Governors chair, he will disrobe his " Conservative garb" and dawn the robe of the LIBERALS. HE IS A CON artist!!!
13 posted on 09/13/2003 3:24:20 PM PDT by pollywog
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To: byteback
BOY, YOU REALLY DON'T GET IT DO YOU???

Can you tell where in the California Constitution a governor derives the power to rescind? Arnold is too stupid for words. THE BILL IS ALREADY SIGNED INTO LAW BY GRAY DAVIS, so PLEASE explain to me how in the name of heaven and earth that Arnold is going to rescind this law.

NOW, once a law is passed, signatures can be gathered for a 90-day period after the bill is signed TO STOP THE MEASURE FROM BEING IMPLEMENTED -- AND THEN THE PEOPLE CAN VOTE THE MEASURE UP OR DOWN. McClintock and the CRA are working on a referendum and Schwarzenegger, the ultimate selfish, talk out of both sides of his mouth politician, OPPOSES THE REFERENDUM. I despise his craven actions.
14 posted on 09/13/2003 3:24:43 PM PDT by sruleoflaw ((FOR TOM MCCLINTOCK: Arnold will get my vote when hell freezes over and pigs fly))
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To: pollywog
When he gets into the Governors chair, he will disrobe his " Conservative garb"

I.e., he'll snip his G-string with a pair of fingernail clippers.

15 posted on 09/13/2003 3:27:04 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: byteback
I definitely would rescind the driver's license...

Hint to candidate: Take a civics class. The governor cannot rescind a law once it's been passed and signed.

16 posted on 09/13/2003 3:27:40 PM PDT by Bob (http://www.TomMcClintock.com)
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To: byteback
Let's be sure WE ALL KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING IN CALIFORNIA ON DRIVERS LICENSES FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS:

Because of the Democrats, Gray Davis, Cruz Bustamante (who supports it)and people like Arnold (who opposes the referendum to overturn the law BUT, IN TRUE CON ARTIST FASHION, SAYS HE OPPOSES LICENSES FOR ILLEGALS) and Arnold's supporters (who have trouble understanding the California Constitution and how the referendum process works, we could end up with this stupid legislation as law.

THANKS TO McClintock and the California Republican Assembly, a referendum process to overturn the measure is being launched.


17 posted on 09/13/2003 3:28:45 PM PDT by sruleoflaw ((FOR TOM MCCLINTOCK: Arnold will get my vote when hell freezes over and pigs fly))
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To: Kevin Curry
At least Bustamonte is UP FRONT and tells you what he is all about. Arnold LIES. He decieves. AND a vote for him as I see it is close to what we would get with Bustamonte!! Maybe worse !!
18 posted on 09/13/2003 3:31:26 PM PDT by pollywog
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To: sruleoflaw
Arnold says he'll rescind the law (which he can't do) while simultaneously refusing to support the referendum which would accomplish what he says he wants.

Now, that makes perfect sense to me. :=)

19 posted on 09/13/2003 3:34:12 PM PDT by Bob (http://www.TomMcClintock.com)
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To: sruleoflaw
I don't know how to amend my title, Ambrose, but if you wanted to rephrase it for me, I'm not opposed to "Arnold opposes referendum effort".

Change it to "Arnold will not support referendum effort"

20 posted on 09/13/2003 3:36:55 PM PDT by ambrose (Member of the McClintock Militia)
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