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Guerrilla weapons reported in mosques
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Tuesday, September 23, 2003 | Paul Sperry

Posted on 09/22/2003 11:57:13 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

WASHINGTON – A former Army intelligence analyst says a number of Iraqi exiles have reported the deposed regime stashed small missiles, weapons and ammunition at mosques in and around Baghdad.

U.S. forces have confiscated large caches of weapons in raids of Iraqi homes, but they are barred from raiding religious sites.

Guerrilla fighters continue to attack troops with mortars, grenades, homemade explosives and small arms fire on a daily basis. They are tapping into a huge arsenal left behind by the former regime, one that some military officials in Iraq fear could supply fighters for several years.

Iraqi exiles from differing ethnic groups and religions have reported that mosques are the source of the seemingly endless supply of arms.

"I've gotten enough reports that are almost identical from people who are independent from one another to figure there's some credence to it," said ret. U.S. Army Lt. Col. Stephen H. Franke, a former Iraq weapons inspector and Arabic translator who has debriefed Iraqi defectors.

"They say they [remnants of Saddam Hussein's regime] are hiding arms in mosques, hiding stuff under mosques, hiding stuff in basements of mosques or storage rooms in mosques," added Franke, who recently returned to Iraq as a contractor. "They say they stashed small missiles, weapons and ammunition inside the mosques – stuff that would be a super no-no under the Geneva Convention, but they don't care."

The Taliban also used mosques as arms depots, as well as command-and-control centers, during the Afghanistan conflict.

Under the law of land war, religious properties cannot be used to shield military forces or equipment.

If they are, such properties "may be targeted only if it is determined that an attack is a military necessity and meets a proportionality test," explained Pentagon spokesman Army Maj. Ted Wadsworth.

"Targeting analyses for such objects should take into account the value to the civilian population of such objects and the harmful results of attacking such objects," he added. And they should also factor in their cultural and historical significance.

In other words, Iraqi mosques are off-limits, says a U.S. Central Command official.

"This politically correct stuff is going to continue to get our guys killed," he said. "They're continuing to hide bombs, grenades and other stuff in those mosques."

More than 70 American troops have been killed by hostile fire in Iraq since President Bush declared an end to major combat operations there.

Stockpiling weapons was part of a secret postwar plan by Saddam Hussein to sabotage the U.S. occupation. A Jan. 23 memo classified "Top Secret" and found in Iraqi intelligence files calls for, among other things, "purchasing stolen weapons from citizens" and "mobilizing of dependable elements and bringing them into mosques."


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: guerrillas; iraq; iraqiexiles; mosques; munitions; paulsperry; rebuildingiraq
Tuesday, September 23, 2003

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1 posted on 09/22/2003 11:57:13 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Guerrilla weapons reported in mosques

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Who would have thunk it.

2 posted on 09/23/2003 12:11:27 AM PDT by RLK
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To: RLK
Can you imagine the amounts of bio weapons, radiological, and chemical weapons they'd find in US mosques if we had a pair and searched them?
3 posted on 09/23/2003 12:12:43 AM PDT by Monty22
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To: Monty22
Duh! We have a religion that advocates killing the infidel if he won't convert. We are then surprised when that religion hides weapons in its places of worship. What is wrong with our smart people?
4 posted on 09/23/2003 2:04:57 AM PDT by meenie
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To: JohnHuang2
"This politically correct stuff is going to continue to get our guys killed," he said. "They're continuing to hide bombs, grenades and other stuff in those mosques."

Gosh, this guy has been reading my posts!

6 posted on 09/23/2003 4:18:58 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( http://www.fairtax.org ** God may not be a Republican, but Satan is definitely a Democrat!)
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To: Remote Control
here in the US? Probably so. But I and many others like me are watching these people. One wrong step, and we will protect our families. They really don't want to go down that road.
7 posted on 09/23/2003 4:20:49 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( http://www.fairtax.org ** God may not be a Republican, but Satan is definitely a Democrat!)
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To: JohnHuang2
In Vietnam (at least in my units AO) wepaons were cached in Buddist pagodas and cemetaries
which were also "off limits"

When we create "sancturaries" for our enemies and PC places to hide...that is precisely where our enemies will hide...strike from...and return to

We must deny the enemy sancturaries...of couse this will be ill received...and as a result violating these sanctuaries will be a great cause for inflaming ill feelings causing even more guerrilla action
8 posted on 09/23/2003 5:42:18 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: JohnHuang2
If the shoe were on the other foot, how long do you think the Islamics would keep out of Christian churches they suspected of hiding weapons?

Anybody doubt they would burn every single church in sight to the ground, whether they contained weapons or not?

9 posted on 09/23/2003 5:55:36 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: JohnHuang2
As quite a few pointed out LAST SPRING, the best place for Saddam to hide anything, including WMD, is where the Americans WILL NOT look for them---mosques and shrines. And Saddam knows this full well.

How many mosques have been searched YTD? -----none.

11 posted on 09/23/2003 6:58:34 AM PDT by cookcounty
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To: JohnHuang2
John, your "Jan 23rd.." link is not funtioning.

This is very interesting, could you tel us more?

12 posted on 09/23/2003 7:02:05 AM PDT by cookcounty
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To: cookcounty
Maybe it's a deliberate plan to concentrate all the weapons in mosques, then change the policy on searching mosques.
13 posted on 09/23/2003 7:03:32 AM PDT by Henk
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To: cookcounty
Oh here's the Jan 23rd deal;

From same Author, Sperry, in WND, Sept. 10th:

----> A Jan. 23 memo classified Top Secret and found in Iraqi intelligence files orders Saddam's agents to carry out acts of sabotage in the event of the collapse of his regime. They include infiltrating mosques and assassinating imams – specifically in the holy city of Najaf, a key religious center for Shia Muslims oppressed by Saddam's deposed Sunni Muslim regime.

Among other things, the 11-point plan calls for:

* "Mobilizing of dependable elements and bringing them into mosques."
* "Joining the religious centers in Najaf."
* "Assassination of imams and preachers of mosques."

Ayatollah Mohammed Baqer al-Hakim and more than 100 of his followers were killed in last month's car bomb massacre at the Najaf shrine he led. Not long before his assassination, he had accepted the U.S. occupation and even sent his brother and deputy, Abd al-Aziz al-Hakim, to serve on the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council.

The secret directive issued before the war by Saddam's general intelligence service, the Mukhabarat, "is authentic," asserted ret. Lt. Col. Stephen Franke, a former Army intelligence analyst who served as Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf's personal Arabic interpreter during the first Gulf war and as a weapons inspector in Iraq after the war.

"I've tracked the various Iraqi intelligence security organizations since '91, and these citations are accurate," he said in an exclusive WorldNetDaily interview. "They're very consistent with the government documents I've reviewed."

Franke, who translated the document from Arabic, notes that other orders on the post-invasion sabotage list have been followed in Iraq by Saddam's loyalists. They include looting and burning government buildings, stockpiling weapons, and destroying water and power installations and other utilities.

"It's the M.O. of everything that's going on," he said.

"It's very similar to orders Hitler promulgated for homeland defense and followed by the Werewolves – the motley guys who wanted to stick around and form paramilitary cells and put up resistance" after the war, Franke added.

Saddam is said to be a fan of Hitler.

14 posted on 09/23/2003 7:11:18 AM PDT by cookcounty
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To: Monty22
Can you imagine the amounts of bio weapons, radiological, and chemical weapons they'd find in US mosques if we had a pair and searched them?

Heck, just think of what we would learn if we just bugged a US mosque! Ill tell you this much; all of those who foolishly cling to the notion that Islam is a religion of Peace, will be rightfully horrified by what is preached about America in US mosques..

15 posted on 09/23/2003 7:21:02 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)
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To: JohnHuang2
I can't for the life of me figure out why we didn't search the Mosque's for weapons.

We could have done it respectfully. Selected some Muslim soldiers and sent them in with bomb sniffing equipment. Refusal to allow the mosque to be searched would result in the Mosque being blown up.

16 posted on 09/23/2003 7:28:44 AM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: RLK
Laws, treaties, and conventions are all illusionary tactics to control peoples actions and they only work if people VOLUNTARILY agree to abide by them.
17 posted on 09/23/2003 7:34:00 AM PDT by chuknospam
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To: RLK
That's why Islam is known as the barracks religion.
18 posted on 09/23/2003 7:36:13 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: ovrtaxt
"This politically correct stuff is going to continue to get our guys killed," he said. "They're continuing to hide bombs, grenades and other stuff in those mosques."

Gosh, this guy has been reading my posts!

Well, it's a trade-off for whether or not a policy of raiding mosques will cause more or less trouble, isn't it?

I think having Americans conduct the raids will hurt more than it helps. If the raids can be conducted by Iraqis, then it would probably help more than it hurts.

And of course, the real key here is to mount the right sort of PR campaign that pits normal Iraqis against militant mullahs.

19 posted on 09/23/2003 7:43:42 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: JohnHuang2


Report: weapons hidden in Iraqi mosques


WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 (UPI) -- A retired U.S. military intelligence officer says Iraqi defectors have made independent allegations that weapons are being stored in Iraq's mosques.

And according a Tuesday report in WorldNetDaily.com, U.S. forces in Iraq have been barred from searching religious sites.

Ret. Army Lt. Col. Stephen Franke told WorldNetDaily.com, "I've gotten enough reports that are almost identical from people who are independent from one another to figure there's some credence to (the report)."

Franke is a former Iraq weapons inspector and Arabic translator who has debriefed Iraqi defectors.

The Iraqi exiles, from differing ethnic groups and religions, have reported mosques have become the source of the seemingly endless supply of arms.

Added Franke, "They say they [remnants of Saddam Hussein's regime] are hiding arms in mosques, hiding stuff under mosques, hiding stuff in basements of mosques or storage rooms in mosques."




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20 posted on 09/28/2003 12:40:28 AM PDT by anglian
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