CA: Dean of Students Shuts Down Affirmative Action Bake Sale

Irvine Review ^ | November 2003 | Courtney Rosenbladt

[Hobsonphile]

I find you overwhelmingly conceited. Let's look at the reported sequence of events, shall we?

"First [she] told me this was discrimination and we weren't allowed to charge different prices to different races, she then instructed us to take down the posters and remove the price list," Zuetel said. "I said I was going to call my lawyer and get his opinion on whether or not we could have that price list in place in accordance with our free expression rights. He suggested that we change the prices to be suggested prices. The Dean of Students said we couldn't even sell the donuts at suggested retail prices because it's still discrimination.

"We talked, I told her my position, she told me hers, then we took down the signs with the prices," said Zuetel.

Gee, let's think about this... Even when the student representative offered to make the prices non-binding, the Dean of Students still said no.

Ms. Peterson's actions speak for themselves. She objected to the bake sale not because of your vaunted "illegal trade practices," but because she objected to the statement they were making. If it were simply a matter of objecting to the selling of Krispy Kreme donuts, she would've told them that was the issue and would've allowed them to bring their own baked goods to sell instead. If it were simply a matter of objecting to the differing prices, then changing the poster to read "suggested" would've solved the issue. No, instead she shut it down wholesale as "discriminatory."

Displaying a poster with "suggested" prices that are not actually binding on the sale itself- an alternative the student representative was willing to abide- is pure speech. And the fact that Ms. Peterson wouldn't even agree to this alternative shows that it is the speech, not the trade, that she was shutting down. Thus, I believe it was an appropriate incident to share with my list. UCI is a public institution to my knowledge, and thus the First Amendment applies.

I don't know who you think you are, troll, but I have thought about this, obviously a great deal more than you.

[GeekDejure]

Lemme see if I understand this blabbering nonsense . . . What the college is trying to ultimately say goes like this -- Whites must buy donuts filled with whipped cream -- Blacks must buy donuts filled with prunes !!! . Have I got it right ???

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[expatguy]

"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal..."

[jwalsh07]

1st Amendment? In the context of a college?

You've now descended into the realm of the demented. Are you suggesting that public universities are empowered to ignore the first amendment of the US Constitution at their whim?

[Redcoat LI]

"they delivered cadavers to the alumni luncheon,every fall the toilets explode,every spring the swimming pool is filled with fizzies". Dean Wormer.

[Alia]

Metaphorically? The whipped cream/prunes thing can work in this metaphor.

[Alia]

Well, yes. But again, unlike Davis and Lockyer -- who openly asserted they would fight, in official capacity, implementation of Prop 209 -- and they did -- I think Arnold would still uphold the will of the people in passage of Prop 54. Of course, Tom would. But I don't think Arnold would do the "selective legislative attention enforcement" thing that Dems are reknown for doing.

[Alia]

... and unequal. We are all equal in being alive and having freedoms upon which we may pursue. We are unequal at all levels -- as we are each a unique creation -- never to be recreated as perfectly in kind.

[george wythe]

You have exhibited total confusion of the facets of this issue.

From my vantage point, you are the one who refuses to see the light.

Is the College Republican club is business?

Is the College Republican club required to collect sales taxes while fundraising?

Is the College Republican club allowed to engage in controversial free speech using "performance art"?

Is the College Republican club allowed to charge $100 for a chocolate bar while fundraising or will the College Republican club be charged with price gouging like any other business?

It's obvious you were never a member of the College Republican club, and you have no idea about the fundraising and political performance art.

As other posters have already suggested, you insist in being obtuse, trying to fight a "strawman."

Everybody agrees that it is illegal for a business to have different prices for customers of various colors, but that's not what happened here.

This was an act of successful political speech that raised awareness about the injustices of affirmative action in business contracts, jobs, and college admissions.

The College Republicans had more publicity than expected, and their goal to call attention to this unfair practice succeeded tremendously, extending well beyond the local college campus.

[GSWarrior]

What would happen if my kids held a bake sale like this on our front lawn? On private property. I wonder.

[Clemenza]

You forgot to add grafitti at most of the Brooklyn Subway stops (and on the M, N, and R trains!) and trash all over the sidewalk in all five boroughs.

I've also saw in the paper that people in the Manhattanville area (Columbus and 100th?) on the UWS have indicated that "crack is back."

[cyborg]

YES! You are absolutely right. Today in the Post (I think) they had an article about Bloomberg seizing the parking passes of city officials. Also, strange how murder is on the rise. Giuliani had gangs like Zulu Nation in lock down. Now a kid gets murdered for being half white, and letting white kids into the club... A guy gets stabbed to death (I thought he was shot) going to work on the no.2 train. Granted it was at night but I've taken trains in the City (during Giuliani) felt safe at all hours.

[Clemenza]

The cops be gettin' lazy since Bloomingidiot took charge. Rudy kicked them in the a-s if they weren't out on the street going after thugs.

Things will only get worse before they get better, especially in my neighborhood as the "element" moves in. :-(

[Alia]

Your tires would get slashed during the night. Yeppers. Oh, and mysterious newspapers with specific articles circled in red. Anonymous drive-by phone calls.

That is, all this, if you live anywhere near the blue zone in CA.

[Alia]

What am I saying? These students doing these bake sales are most all at colleges in the Blue Zone. These Blessed Brave Young Men and Women are heroes and so very courageous.