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French intellectuals ask Pope to remove gluttony from list of 7 Deadly Sins
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Posted on 09/29/2003 8:33:19 AM PDT by yankeedame

Last Updated: Wednesday, 24 September, 2003, 12:12 GMT 13:12 UK

Gourmands at war with the Deadly Sins

By Caroline Wyatt
BBC correspondent in Paris


Tempting France's eaters into the sin of Gluttony?

A group of French chefs and intellectuals have sent a petition to the Pope, asking him to reclassify the deadly sin of gluttony.

They argue that the French word for the sin - gourmandise - has changed its meaning over the years and is now used to denote a gourmet, someone who truly appreciates good food and wine, rather than a glutton.

One of the group's founders is the well-known French chef Paul Bocuse, whose late friend - France's best-known baker, Lionel Poilane - first came up with the idea several years ago.

Mr Bocuse and several others are carrying on the campaign in Poilane's memory, supported by gourmands across France who would like the Vatican to change the word to "gloutonnerie"', a term that suggests much greater greed than gourmandise.

At Paul Bocuse's brightly-painted three Michelin stars restaurant in Lyon, food lovers come to worship at the altar of French cooking.

But according to the Catholic Church, these people may be endangering their immortal souls by committing the fifth of the deadly or cardinal sins.

But Mr Bocuse and his group of connoisseurs argue that these days, gourmandise is a pleasure not a sin.

"You know, being a gourmand is not a sin. Being a glutton is.

"To be a gourmand is one of life's great pleasures. Gourmands don't just appreciate fine food and good wine, but they share it - and thus double the pleasure," Mr Bocuse smiles.


Monsieur Bocuse is spearheading the campaign

The seven deadly sins were formalised in the 6th Century by Pope Gregory the Great.

Yet today, French priests rarely take confessions of gourmandise.

The parish priest at the Church of the Lamb of God in eastern Paris, Father Alain de la Morandais, believes that gourmands are in fact performing an act of worship or thanksgiving to God as they appreciate their food.

"I am a doctor of moral theology, and I think the only real sins are ones of excess. Addiction - for example to drink or to drugs or to cigarettes, that is a sin.

"But these days," he tells me, "the French word gourmandise is understood to mean a gourmet - and a gourmet is someone who savours, who appreciates good food, good wine, and all the flavours that God created."

Semantics

Yet some fear there is little the Vatican can do in response to the petition from France.

Experts say that if this is a semantic issue, rather than a theological question, then it is a matter for an even higher authority - that of the Academie francaise, the ferocious guardians of the French language.


Father Morandais thinks that eating well is an act of worship

Colette Guillemard, food writer and author of the book The Origins of the Word Gourmand says the academy is probably the only body that can actually get the meaning of a word in French changed.

"It's a question of language, more than a problem of sin in itself. But of course, it will be very hard to find the right person at the Academie francaise who can make that change."

Although two of its members are on the group committee of the petitioners De la question gourmande, the rest of the academie is less convinced.

"This question is a waste of time," the academie's press officer told the BBC.

But judging by the letters in the French newspapers and frequent discussions of the issue, it is a question that interests many in France, whether for its sheer quirkiness or out of genuine theological worry.

Either way, those French gourmands anxious to know whether they are sinning on a daily basis will just have to be patient - there has been no official reply from the Pope as yet.


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1 posted on 09/29/2003 8:33:20 AM PDT by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame
Are the frogs even for real?

I mean really, they want the pope to change the bible?
2 posted on 09/29/2003 8:36:12 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: Bikers4Bush
This ain't an Onion article?
3 posted on 09/29/2003 8:38:51 AM PDT by irgbar-man (It's Really Gonna Be AllRight.)
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To: yankeedame
Dear JP II:

Here in America, the term "hot" now often connotes something good, as does the term "cool". Could you please change the bible to refer to the "tepid cauldrons of Hell".

Thanks.

Bird.
4 posted on 09/29/2003 8:39:11 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: irgbar-man
They argue that the French word for the sin - gourmandise - has changed its meaning over the years and is now used to denote a gourmet, someone who truly appreciates good food and wine, rather than a glutton.

And the English word for the sin is gluttony, so I guess it is appropriate. I wonder what it is in Latin?

5 posted on 09/29/2003 8:40:35 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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To: yankeedame
I don't get it. Gourmet food appreciation has little to do with gluttony (which I consider to be food waste, by eating much more than is healthy).

Yet they want a change in a term that is already correct, and distinct from what they advocate.
6 posted on 09/29/2003 8:40:50 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: yankeedame
To be a gourmand is one of life's great pleasures.

So, if something's pleasureable, it's not a sin? Hot DAMN!!

7 posted on 09/29/2003 8:41:16 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: Bikers4Bush
The seven deadlies are in the bible? You learn something new every day.
8 posted on 09/29/2003 8:42:22 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: yankeedame
If this sin is removed, speaking French should be the replacement sin.
9 posted on 09/29/2003 8:42:40 AM PDT by Young Rhino (Do the French know the meaning of the words soap, water, and deodorant?)
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To: yankeedame
I'd like to as the Pope to add being a Stupid Frenchman to the list of the 7 Deadly Sins....
10 posted on 09/29/2003 8:43:12 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Looking for a Shrugged Atlas.)
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To: yankeedame
Perhaps these people ought to think of all the money they spend on gourmet food. I like a good steak once in a while myself, but "excess" is definable as more than just how much food you stuff in your mouth. Self-indulgently spending tens of thousands of dollars a year on exotic food that could go to the support of the hungry is an example of "excess" as well.
11 posted on 09/29/2003 8:43:30 AM PDT by RonF
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Seems to me the problem is in the translation from Latin into French. Can't the Froggies even fix that?
12 posted on 09/29/2003 8:44:07 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: yankeedame
They also want 'surrender' to be added as a virtue.
13 posted on 09/29/2003 8:44:13 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: yankeedame
french is a dying language.

this whole argument is regarding the FRENCH words. Glutony is still glutony regardless of the gourmand word. Why not change to the use of connosouer? (sp sorry)
14 posted on 09/29/2003 8:44:57 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: yankeedame

I knew that Gluttons were ferocious, but had no idea they were sinful too.

15 posted on 09/29/2003 8:45:48 AM PDT by bicycle thug (Fortia facere et pati Americanum est.)
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To: CatoRenasci
Their language evolved, and they are so arrogant, that they now want the Pope to change the seven deadly sins.

I am sure their culture has evolved far enough that sex outside of marriage is now acceptable, too. Think the Pope will budge?
16 posted on 09/29/2003 8:47:28 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
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To: Prodigal Son
I didn't the seven deadly were but I could swear gluttony is covered in it.

I haven't read it cover to cover in a long time so if I'm wrong then it's a good reason to do it again.
17 posted on 09/29/2003 8:49:20 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: dansangel
ping
18 posted on 09/29/2003 8:49:44 AM PDT by .45MAN (I am what I am because of what I am!)
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To: yankeedame
Colette Guillemard, food writer and author of the book The Origins of the Word Gourmand says the academy is probably the only body that can actually get the meaning of a word in French changed.

Uh oh, this should be good, French chefs are taking on the sacred Academie francaise. Will the pen be mightier than the saute pan?

But about those seven deadly sins; those are pride, envy, gluttony, lust, anger, greed and sloth. Pardon me while I try to hide.

19 posted on 09/29/2003 8:50:41 AM PDT by xJones
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To: bicycle thug
Funny
thanks
I forgot a wolverine was also known as a glutton.
20 posted on 09/29/2003 8:50:47 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rush agrees with me 98.5 % of the time.)
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