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Some analysts were critical of the planned moon landing. "A wasteful program such as the planned moon landing conducted by a developing country is just a small step for mankind and a giant misstep for China," Yu said in a wry twist on Neil Armstrong's famous quote. Human boots have not trod on the moon since the U.S. Apollo program ended with the Apollo XVII mission in 1972.

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Some analysts don't know what they're talking about. With resources for making rocket propellent, and it's proximity to our military and commercial comsats, statigically the Moon is a goldmine.

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Houston Chronicle: Chinese astronauts are men of mystery [Full Text] SHANGHAI, China -- There are a dozen or so candidates, all stellar pilots with the Chinese air force who average about 5 feet 7 inches in height and 142 pounds in weight. Most have been in training for years and although their names and much else about their project remains an official secret, soon one or more of them is likely to climb aboard the Shenzhou 5, a rocket ship whose names means "divine vessel," and blast into orbit.

China appears to be on the verge of becoming just the third nation to send a human into outer space, and even though such an achievement would come more than 40 years after the former Soviet Union and then the United States did so, Chinese officials are laying the groundwork for a major celebration and what they clearly hope will be a jolt of national pride and prestige.

Such a flight, in a craft loosely modeled on the Russian Soyuz spacecraft, would come after at least 11 years of planning and test flights with four unmanned space vehicles in recent years. It would also come as the U.S. shuttle fleet remains grounded after the Columbia disaster this past February left seven astronauts dead.

While no formal launch date has been set, a string of recent announcements from top Chinese officials indicates that preparations are intensifying and that blast-off -- from the Jiuquan Space Center, near the Gobi Desert in north China -- could come within weeks, perhaps right after the national holiday week in early October that commemorates the creation of the Communist People's Republic.

Science and Technology Minister Xu Guanhua told the official Chinese media last week that arrangements for Shenzhou 5's launch were proceeding "extremely smoothly," and last week a spokesman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry, Kong Quan, smiled slightly as he said of the mission: "We hope we can realize that goal, sending a man into space, as soon as possible."

Run by the military and shrouded in secrecy, China's space program does appear to be on the verge of a national milestone, one that could well pave the way for a Chinese space station and perhaps a lunar mission, which the Chinese government periodically has described as a long-range goal of the Chinese space program.

But even as a successful mission would be a domestic propaganda coup, its international significance is a matter of considerable debate, with few clear indications yet of whether the Chinese mission actually would break new ground in research or, perhaps, in military applications such as satellite surveillance.

"It's the big question," said Joan Johnson-Freese, an expert on the Chinese space program who is chair of the National Security Decision Making Department at the Naval War College in Newport, R.I.

"You will hear that this is huge, that China is developing all kinds of technological prowess that the United States needs to be concerned about," said Johnson-Freese. "You will hear the other end of the spectrum, that they've basically bought a lot of existing Russian technology, and this is not that important at all, they're not up to anything new. I think the answer is somewhere in-between."

A Pentagon report on Chinese military capabilities, released earlier this year, concluded that one goal of the country's space program is to develop improved satellite systems, for conducting its own monitoring and for potentially jamming or intercepting satellites used by other nations.

"While one of the strongest immediate motivations for this program appears to be political prestige, China's manned space efforts almost certainly will contribute to improved military space systems in the 2010-2020 time frame," said the report.

The United States has plenty of its own military space systems, of course, so the broader question is whether Chinese advances are likely to set off a "space race" between the two nations over warfare equipment such as space-based missiles. For now, though, most experts seem to agree that the Chinese would have a long way to go to match current U.S. capabilities -- but that they could also move rapidly to catch up.

"The primary issue is the integration between Chinese military and civil space activities," said James Oberg, who spent 22 years as a space engineer with the shuttle program and is now a Houston-based consultant on space issues. "They do not have any kind of division or barrier, so that technologies developed for one side of the coin quickly augment the capabilities of the other.

"At the same time," Oberg added, "the history of the space age has shown that competition is generally a win-win for all parties, for the whole world. It becomes a fundamentally constructive competition of research and discovery."

Indeed, China is likely to carry out various experiments in weightlessness and perhaps in the space-based breeding of crop seeds, which can result in larger, hardier or quicker-bearing varieties of fruits and vegetables even as it raises concerns about the risks of such genetic manipulation. Chinese space scientists have sent about 60 varieties of crops and seeds on at least seven previous, unmanned Chinese space missions, dating all the way back to the late 1980s, according to Chinese media reports about the program.

Another likely goal of the Chinese space program is to develop a larger share of the market for placing and leasing commercial satellites, and possibly expanding China's ability to rent part of its space capabilities to other nations. Earlier this year, for instance, the Paris-based European Space Agency and China inked a deal enabling European scientists to put some space monitoring devices on a Chinese satellite.

Officials with the Chinese space agency turned down requests for an interview or specific information about launch plans. They also decline to release the annual cost of the Chinese space program, although Western experts put the figure at somewhere between $2 billion and $3 billion, well below the roughly $15 billion the United States spends on its space program. It is believed to be more than what Russia spends on its program, which includes space-station capabilities is in many ways much diminished from the ambitions of the Soviet heyday.

While short on specifics, the Chinese officials are not short on grandeur. As the Web site of the China Aerospace and Technology Corporation, which is involved in building the spacecrafts, puts it: "We are soon to use our Shenzhou manned spaceships to explore the mysterious space frontiers, realizing the nation's dream of spaceflight. . . . We are already using our powerful rockets to build a reliable `Great Wall in the Sky' for the People's Republic."

The most recent unmanned flight, Shenzhou IV, completed a 162-hour orbiting mission in January, in what Chinese officials called the final prelude to a manned mission. Another Shenzhou mission carried animals in space.

The Soyuz-style Shenzhou has a detachable section that can remain in space for several months, and can be linked to other sections to form a small space station.

A corps of so-called "taikonauts," after the Chinese word for outer space, have been in rigorous training for the mission. All are believed to be males.

But while the Shenzhou craft could accommodate as many as three, the likely plan is to send only one man into space for this first mission, said Gong Jiancun, director of Space Environment Forecast Center of the Chinese Academy of Science, who has been involved in the Shenzhou program.

Chinese officials might be playing down the design features, perhaps in the hopes of spinning a successful mission, if it happens, into an even more impressive achievement.

"You're not just going to have a `man in a can' for the first flights" of the Chinese program, said Phillip Clark, a British space expert at the Molniya Space Consultancy. "They've got a spacecraft that can stay in orbit for weeks, that can carry up to three people. It's got a lot of maneuvering capability, they've got a docking system, they can set up a small interim space station. They can do a lot of research up there." [End]

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China Waging War on Space-Based Weapons***The PLA also is experimenting with other types of satellite killers: land-based, directed-energy weapons and "micro-satellites" (search) that can be used as kinetic energy weapons. According to the latest (July 2003) assessment by the U.S. Defense Department, China will probably be able to field a direct-ascent anti-satellite system (search) in the next two to six years.

Such weapons would directly threaten what many believe would be America's best form of ballistic-missile defense: a system of space-based surveillance and tracking sensors, connected with land-based sensors and space-based missile interceptors. Such a system could negate any Chinese missile attack on the U.S. homeland.

China may be a long way from contemplating a ballistic missile attack on the U.S. homeland. But deployment of American space-based interceptors also would negate the missiles China is refitting to threaten Taiwan and U.S. bases in Okinawa and Guam. And there's the rub, as far as the PLA is concerned.

Clearly, Beijing's draft treaty to ban deployment of space-based weapons is merely a delaying tactic aimed at hampering American progress on ballistic-missile defense while its own scientists develop effective countermeasures.

What Beijing hopes to gain from this approach is the ability to disrupt American battlefield awareness--and its command and control operations--and to deny the U.S. access to the waters around China and Taiwan should the issue of Taiwan's sovereignty lead to conflict between the two Chinas.

China's military thinkers are probably correct: The weaponization of space is inevitable. And it's abundantly clear that, draft treaties and pious rhetoric notwithstanding, they're doing everything possible to position themselves for dominance in space. That's worth keeping in mind the next time they exhort "peace-loving nations" to stay grounded.***

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China's PLA Sees Value in Pre-emptive Strike Strategy [Full Text] WASHINGTON, Aug. 11, 2003 - The military strategy of "shock and awe" used to stun the Iraqi military in the opening campaign of Operation Iraqi Freedom might be used by the Chinese if military force is needed to bring Taiwan back under communist control.

According to the released recently The Annual Report on the Military Power of the People's Republic of China, the country's military doctrine now stresses elements such as "surprise, deception and pre- emption." Furthermore, the report states that Beijing believes that "surprise is crucial" for the success of any military campaign.

Taiwan, located off the coast of mainland China, claimed independence from the communist country in 1949. The island has 21 million people and its own democratic government.

China, with 1.3 billion people, claims sovereignty over the tiny island, sees Taiwan as a breakaway province and has threatened to use military force against Taiwan to reunify the country. And China's force against Taiwan could come as a surprise attack.

But "China would not likely initiate any military action unless assured of a significant degree of strategic surprise," according to the report.

The report states that Lt. Gen. Zheng Shenxia, chief of staff of the People's Liberation Army's Air Force and an advocate of pre-emptive action, believes the chances of victory against Taiwan would be "limited" without adopting a pre-emptive strategy.

The report says that China now believes pre-emptive strikes are its best advantage against a technologically superior force. Capt. Shen Zhongchang from the Chinese Navy Research Institute is quoted as saying that "lighting attacks and powerful first strikes will be widely used in the future."

China's new military thinking has evolved over the past decade. PLA observers have been studying U.S. military strategies since the first Gulf War, when they noticed how quickly U.S. forces using state-of-the-art weapons defeated Iraqi forces that in some ways resemble their own.

Since then, the report states the PLA has shifted its war approach from "annihilative," where an army uses "mass and attrition" to defeat an enemy, to more "coercive warfighting strategies."

The PLA now considers "shock power" as a crucial coercion element to the opening phase of its war plans and that PLA operational doctrine is now designed to actively "take the initiative" and "catch the enemy unprepared."

"With no apparent political prohibitions against pre- emption, the PLA requires shock as a force multiplier to catch Taiwan or another potential adversary, such as the United States, unprepared," the report states.

Ways the PLA would catch Taiwan and the U.S. off guard include strategic and operational deception, electronic warfare and wearing down or desensitizing the opponent's political and military leadership. Another objective would be to reduce any indication or warning of impending military action, the report states.

Preparing for a possible conflict with Taiwan and deterring the United States from intervening on Taiwan's behalf is the "primary driver" of China's military overhaul, according to this year's report. Over the course of the next decade the country will spend billions to counter U.S. advances in warfare technology, the report states. [End]

1 posted on 09/30/2003 2:50:00 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
x42 on the transfer of US technology to China for DNC donations.


2 posted on 09/30/2003 2:59:52 AM PDT by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; harpseal
China is running a record 320 billion yuan ($39 billion) deficit this year

We're running a $100 billion deficit against China, china's running a deficit as well???? Then, who's making the money?
3 posted on 09/30/2003 3:01:12 AM PDT by Cronos (W2004)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Just when you thought it was safe to back into the water . . .
6 posted on 09/30/2003 3:46:03 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The everyday blessings of God are great--they just don't make "good copy.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Some analysts don't know what they're talking about. With resources for making rocket propellent, and it's proximity to our military and commercial comsats, statigically the Moon is a goldmine."

Alas, this is simply wrong.

Firstly, the Moon is further from our comsats than you are.

I was part of a major study on the practicality of placing a manned station at the lunar south pole for making propellant (intended for sending missions to Mars). We simply could not make it pay for itself. The way I put it, "If God were to emplace the infrastructure there for us, it might be justifiable."

I believe the break-even point--versus propellant hauled from Earth--was 10-20 manned Mars missions, which we simply are not gonna do.

This study completed my disillusionment.

All you need on the moon is:

Trucks, bulldozers, "steam shovels" and other mining equipment specifically designed for vacuum, ultra-cold temperatures, and lunar dust. On Earth we use diesels; on the moon (no air) these would have to be very-high-powered electric or nuclear-powered vehicles, or very-high-powered fuel-cell vehicles.

Spares and maintenence facilities.

Mechanics.

Food and water for mechanics, mining engineers, etc. Remember--there is NO infrastructure in place.

If you are at the South pole (where the water is) you need a BIG nuclear reactor.

The BIG nuclear reactor powers a BIG factory for getting the water out of the regolith and electrolyzing/liquifying the propellants.

You need a complete infirmary or hospital, with doctors and nurses.

You need:

Brand new cargo craft (for carrying propellant);
Brand new lunar hoppers (if you want to do anything except stay at the pole);
Brand new crew return vehicles (folks want to rotate home);
Brand new vehicles for transport of equipment and crew to the moon.

Imagine the cost. $100 billion? $500 billion?

Does not matter; it is simply NOT going to happen--in your lifetime or in mine.

--Boris

13 posted on 09/30/2003 7:21:14 AM PDT by boris (The deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction in History is a Leftist With a Word Processor)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The American space program is and will be as active as the rubble from Columbia shuttle. When given a choice between space exploration and free pills for granny the choice is pretty clear. And depressing. One day our descendants will look bakc with wonder at all the money we blew on welfare and graft when we could have been exploring the universe.
18 posted on 09/30/2003 11:26:24 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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