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Cardinal: Pope in "a bad way"
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Posted on 09/30/2003 7:15:09 AM PDT by Dog
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To: Malacoda
Amen.
To: mlmr
I'm sorry but I find it a tad sadistic to parade a man who is clearly failing fast. There is no dignity or respect for the individual in doing that. It accomplishes the opposite.
I'm not Catholic since I am Bible based however even from a secular perspective it is cruel. God's will be accomplished whether this man is paraded around or given some dignity through acknowledging that he is not up to the task anymore and letting him rest in private.
Thanks though for the other perspective.
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posted on
09/30/2003 6:25:14 PM PDT
by
nmh
To: kinghorse
Ramadan features the extraordinary double eclipse this year.
"extraordinary double eclipse" - what's that about?
243
posted on
09/30/2003 6:55:50 PM PDT
by
Int
(Ever notice how the Freepers that have been here longest are the most 'moderate'?)
To: dogbyte12
My friend, who is an atheist, nevertheless thinks it will be exciting for the both of us, 26 years old to be able to witness all that goes along with the conclaves that vote for the next Pope. As much as I will be saddened by Pope John Paul II's passing, I agree.
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posted on
09/30/2003 6:57:34 PM PDT
by
Conservative til I die
(Scratch an evangelical long enough and you'll uncover a heretic or even a blasphemer.)
To: bondserv
F U
245
posted on
09/30/2003 6:59:37 PM PDT
by
Conservative til I die
(Scratch an evangelical long enough and you'll uncover a heretic or even a blasphemer.)
To: nmh
1) When you're Pope you're Pope for life. Popes voluntarily stepping down has happened, but we're talking several centuries since the last time it happened. It would be shameful.
2) This Pope doesn't want to step down.
3) Are you saying the Pope posesses no dignity? Why? Because he's old? Because he's disabled?
You know, the atheists and pro-death folks would agree with you. The Pope uses his disabilities preceisely to illustrate the dignity that all people posess. Even the crippled and old.
246
posted on
09/30/2003 7:02:26 PM PDT
by
Conservative til I die
(Scratch an evangelical long enough and you'll uncover a heretic or even a blasphemer.)
To: DollyCali
As for a successor, while the Cardinals tend to be a bit quirky in their choices (usually doing the opposite of what you might think they would do), the Pope has benefitted from his long reign. Something like 95% of the Cardinals that can vote were appointed by him. Most of those are conservatives. He's stacked the deck.
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posted on
09/30/2003 7:04:07 PM PDT
by
Conservative til I die
(Scratch an evangelical long enough and you'll uncover a heretic or even a blasphemer.)
To: texasbluebell
Speaking of Rigalli, the Pope did say somewhat recently that his successor had not yet been appointed a Cardinal. Hmmm....
248
posted on
09/30/2003 7:04:52 PM PDT
by
Conservative til I die
(Scratch an evangelical long enough and you'll uncover a heretic or even a blasphemer.)
To: Campion
Isn't he thinking of St Malachi (?) and his prophecies, regarding the Pope after the next Pope being the last? If I am not mistaken, he would be named Pope Peter.
249
posted on
09/30/2003 7:06:43 PM PDT
by
Conservative til I die
(Scratch an evangelical long enough and you'll uncover a heretic or even a blasphemer.)
To: kinghorse
You forgot #9:
The Cubs and the Red Sox finally made it into the playoffs.
250
posted on
09/30/2003 7:09:03 PM PDT
by
Palladin
(Proud to be a FReeper!)
To: nmh
There are a lot of words I could use to describe this, sadistic is not one of them. What is so sadistic about have a man do whatever he can in his last days. May we all live our lives to the very end, doing what we like to do. The frail elderly do not have to be hidden away to make others comfortable...there is a lot to be learned, IMHO, from a man who's spirit shows so clearly through his failing body. I think there is a lot more dignity to it than the hiding away advocated by some. Part of aging is learning to lose one's capacities with grace. JPII has done this.
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posted on
09/30/2003 7:13:38 PM PDT
by
mlmr
(I need a new, and improved Tag Line.... Freepmail me your suggestions.)
To: nmh
There are a lot of words I could use to describe this, sadistic is not one of them. What is so sadistic about have a man do whatever he can in his last days. May we all live our lives to the very end, doing what we like to do. The frail elderly do not have to be hidden away to make others comfortable...there is a lot to be learned, IMHO, from a man who's spirit shows so clearly through his failing body. I think there is a lot more dignity to it than the hiding away advocated by some. Part of aging is learning to lose one's capacities with grace. JPII has done this.
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posted on
09/30/2003 7:13:38 PM PDT
by
mlmr
(I need a new, and improved Tag Line.... Freepmail me your suggestions.)
To: mlmr
You're certainly entitled to your opinon but even with a frail pet, I don't put him on display or expect him to frolic around outdoors. I let him live his last days with no pressure and accomodate his every need. For a human being, I can't imagine putting someone through what JP is going through.
Sometime ago another priest in NY, forget his name, was also "frail" - to the point where he was also falling over. It was sad to see a man deteriorating and on display for that reason. Maybe saidistic isn't the right word. Maybe cruel and unusual punishment fits better.
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posted on
09/30/2003 7:18:30 PM PDT
by
nmh
To: Conservative til I die
"1) When you're Pope you're Pope for life. Popes voluntarily stepping down has happened, but we're talking several centuries since the last time it happened. It would be shameful."
It would be shameful to continue this charade.
2) This Pope doesn't want to step down.
Sources say he is not coherent nor responsible for what he does. Atleast this is what a fellow Catholic O'Reilly says.
3) Are you saying the Pope posesses no dignity? Why? Because he's old? Because he's disabled?
When a human being is dying, as this man is, there is NO dignity in parading him around as though he was at the top of his game. It's cruel.
You know, the atheists and pro-death folks would agree with you. The Pope uses his disabilities preceisely to illustrate the dignity that all people posess. Even the crippled and old.
I am neither an atheist nor a pro death person. Name calling is even beneath you. He does not have a "disability". He is dying. Bet he won't last the year. Leave the guy alone and stop parading him around like a freak show.
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posted on
09/30/2003 7:24:13 PM PDT
by
nmh
To: nmh
We disagree. The pope is doing his job. Your dog's job is not like the pope's job. If he wants to do this, why is it a big deal to you.
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posted on
09/30/2003 7:33:03 PM PDT
by
mlmr
(The Naked and the Fred)
To: firebrand
"The next pope" - because people posessed by fear refuse to see reality label present as the future.
To: bondserv
"Pandering to scientists, in contradiction to the Word of God. (Giving room for his congregation to latch onto Theistic Evolution, which necessitates death before Adam, making death a natural occurrence rather than a choice of man, which eliminates the need for the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ)."
1. First of all those aren't scientists, those are liars.
2. Evolution eliminates the need for God.
To: Conservative til I die
Forgive me for offending. I regret my words, and lift up John Paul as a brother in Christ.
To: Campion
The current Pope already has. The General Instruction to the Roman Missal states clearly that the purpose of the homily at Mass is to expound on the readings, and their application to living a Christian life. A priest who doesn't do that is violating his instructions already. My pastor is quite faithful about it. This is great news. I pray you grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Praise God that the Spirit is active in the Catholic Church today, brother. Forgive me if I have offended, I wouldn't want Christ to think I want to pick on His bride. I wouldn't want anyone picking on mine. :-)
To: bondserv
We can be confident that what we read in the 66 books that were cannonized 73 books were canonized by the Council of Rome in A.D. 382 under Pope Damasus I. And that's how many books were in Guttenberg's Bible one thousand years later.
But Luther threw out seven books because of the reference in 2 Maccabees to Purgatory, thus creating his own canon of Scripture.
The new total: 66, an interesting number, since the number 6 in the Bible represents imperfection.
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posted on
10/01/2003 4:40:57 AM PDT
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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