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Help Defeat Illegal Alien Farm Worker Amnesty Legislation
Federation For American Immigration Reform ^ | 9/30/03 | F.A.I.R.

Posted on 10/01/2003 1:28:54 AM PDT by CIBvet

Help Defeat Illegal Alien Farm Worker Amnesty Legislation -- Take Action Now!

Urge Your Elected Officials to Oppose S.1645 and H.R. 3142

On September 23, Senators Larry Craig (R-ID) and Ted Kennedy (D-MA) and Representatives Chris Cannon (R-UT) and Howard Berman (D-CA) introduced companion farm worker amnesty bills, S.1645 and H.R. 3142. "The Agricultural Job, Opportunity, Benefits, and Security Act of 2003" (AgJOBS bill) provides a "one-time" amnesty for illegal aliens engaged in farm work and their spouses and children. The bill also expands the H-2A agricultural guestworker program.

A broad coalition consisting of labor unions, agribusiness, the hospitality industry, the immigration law bar, and the usual supporters among open borders and illegal alien advocacy groups have aligned themselves in support of the legislation.

FAIR opposes this legislation and all other attempts to reward illegal aliens with amnesty. Please help us defeat the AgJOBS bill by urging your representative and senators and to oppose S.1645 and H.R. 3142.

Here's how it would work:

Illegal alien farm workers would be granted temporary residence if they worked the lesser of 575 hours or 100 work days during any 12 consecutive months between March 1, 2001 and August 31, 2003.

After working the lesser of 2,060 hours or 360 work days in agriculture in the six year period between September 1, 2003 and August 31, 2009, they could adjust their status to legal permanent resident.

Spouses and relatives gain legal permanent residency along with applicants.

Illegal aliens detained prior to enactment, if otherwise eligible for the amnesty, would not be deported.

Here's How You Can Help:

Type your zip code into the "take action now" box to send a free faxed message to your legislators opposing this legislation.

Follow up your faxed message with a phone call. Visit the elected officials

section of our web site for help contacting your legislators.

Forward this alert to your likeminded friends and family members and ask them to contact their elected officials.

Talking Points:

~ Any guestworker program that involves "earned legalization" is an amnesty, a reward for law-breaking that is vociferously opposed by the American public.

~ This is not only an amnesty for illegal aliens, it is also an amnesty for employers who have consistently violated federal employment laws.

~ Nothing in this bill will prevent employers from continuing to employ illegal aliens once the amnesty is in place.

~ Nothing in this bill will empower federal immigration enforcement authorities to properly enforce employer sanctions.

~ Nothing in this bill requires mandatory worker eligibility verification to prevent further illegal immigration.

For more information on why guestworker programs and amnesty are a bad idea, read the following FAIR issue briefs:

Permanent Guests: How Guestworker Programs Harm America

Why Amnesty for Illegal Aliens is a Bad Idea


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: amnesty; farmworkers; illegalaliens; illegals; immigrantlist; legislation
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When you call your Senators and Congressman's office and ask them to OPPOSE the Illegal Alien Farm Worker Amnesty Legislation (S.1645 & H.R.3142) should you encounter resistance, you might remind them of what the RECALL voters in CA are in the process of doing.
1 posted on 10/01/2003 1:28:54 AM PDT by CIBvet
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To: CIBvet
Talking points are Breaking News?
2 posted on 10/01/2003 1:32:16 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx
ping
3 posted on 10/01/2003 1:34:13 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: CIBvet

This is what the MEChA Constitution says (Article II, section 1):

"General membership shall consist of any student who accepts, believes and works for the goals and objectives of MEChA, including the liberation of AZTLAN, meaning self-determination of our people in this occupied state and the physical liberation of our land."

From ""El Plan de Aztlan": In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.

From the Hoover Institute:

Thus Rodolfo Acuña's Occupied America claims the Southwest for Mexicans. Chicano activists (Chicanismo) push not only for civil rights for illegal Mexicans but also for the return (reconquista) of the lost provinces to form Aztlán. Chicanismo demands Spanish language and culture education, not English or American cultural schooling. The Movimiento Estudiante Chicano de Aztlán (MECHA) in 1970 formed a political party, La Raza Unida, won control of Crystal City, Texas, and tried to make it into a Chicano city. The party split and has had little political impact since but could easily revive in California or Texas.

MORE: http://www.americanpatrol.com/MECHA/HooverInstMEChA020530.html


4 posted on 10/01/2003 1:35:58 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: CIBvet
Spouses and relatives gain legal permanent residency along with applicants.
5 posted on 10/01/2003 1:37:11 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: CIBvet
Come on, don't you know we U.S. citizens should be forced to provide welfare, healthcare, education, etc. to every citizen around the planet? (sarcasm alert)
6 posted on 10/01/2003 1:38:29 AM PDT by Fledermaus (Health insurance, a good economy and quality education are meaningless if you are DEAD!)
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To: CIBvet
The New York Times, naturally, supports amnesty. Think they want more Democrats?
7 posted on 10/01/2003 1:44:18 AM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: CIBvet
How dare they reward these hard-working people for their contributions to our economy? This is an outrage!
8 posted on 10/01/2003 5:20:38 AM PDT by Blast Radius
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To: CIBvet
Keep bumping. We all should get involved with this.
9 posted on 10/01/2003 6:01:43 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Blast Radius
The way things are going, americans are going to need those
jobs; And don't tell me americans won't do this kind of
work!
10 posted on 10/01/2003 7:45:05 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman
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To: CIBvet
BUMP
11 posted on 10/01/2003 7:47:16 AM PDT by BayouCoyote (PORK AKBAR!!)
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To: ppaul
From ""El Plan de Aztlan": In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.

"People of the Sun", "Aztlan"? Well, I tried to search for "aztlan" on Google I found http://aztlan.net . Quite instructive.

12 posted on 10/01/2003 8:29:17 AM PDT by A. Pole ("Is 87 billion dollars a great deal of money? Yes. Can our country afford it?" [Secretary Rumsfeld])
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..
ping
13 posted on 10/01/2003 8:57:12 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: dennisw
Letter to my senators (TX) went in the mail on Friday. Like that will do a lot of good but a lot of calls and letters will. Get going gang, time to let them know there is anger in the land.
14 posted on 10/01/2003 9:11:29 AM PDT by engrpat
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To: gubamyster
bttt
15 posted on 10/01/2003 9:23:04 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: A. Pole
Aztlan"? Well, I tried to search for "aztlan" on Google I found http://aztlan.net . Quite instructive.

Yeah.
The election of Bustamove would be a disaster for California and the U.S.


"Viva Aztlan!"


16 posted on 10/01/2003 9:40:17 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: CIBvet
Bump

Just say no to illegal alien amnesty.

17 posted on 10/01/2003 10:25:59 AM PDT by GoRepGo
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To: CIBvet
What is your alternative? Throwing out all farmworkers? Some kind of guest worker program is the only way to keep the agricultural industry in the Southwest from going belly-up.
18 posted on 10/01/2003 10:49:11 AM PDT by My2Cents (Well...there you go again.)
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To: CIBvet
This bill needs to die a hideous public death. President Bush, your veto of this measure could reverse your slide in the polls.
19 posted on 10/01/2003 11:47:11 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (redruM's Advice -- When impersonating an officer, NEVER call for back - up!!)
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To: PRND21



Talking points are Breaking News?

So long as it's Breaking News/ Activism, they sure can be.

If I had my druthers, those sidebars would be split.


20 posted on 10/01/2003 11:49:36 AM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: CIBvet; harpseal; Brian S; clamper1797; sarcasm; BrooklynGOP; A. Pole; Zorrito; ...
Guys, Please "freep" this bill. Peace and love, George.
21 posted on 10/01/2003 11:50:28 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!)
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To: .cnI redruM
"President Bush, your veto of this measure could reverse your slide in the polls"

LOL! When Hell Freezes Over!
22 posted on 10/01/2003 12:09:33 PM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: CIBvet
This might be a good idea if it was accompanied by a closing of the borders combined with massive efforts to assimilate those who were already here.

By itself, an amnesty is not good for America.

23 posted on 10/01/2003 12:35:43 PM PDT by Modernman ("Oh, you all talk big but who here has the guts to stop me!" -Mr. Burns)
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To: Blast Radius
Um, yeah. Okay. Most of the money they earn does not stay here. It goes back to Mexico. How does that help the economy?
24 posted on 10/01/2003 12:51:52 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Go Fast, Turn Left!)
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To: CIBvet
Bump and done.
25 posted on 10/01/2003 3:34:25 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: Blast Radius
If these people are as hard working as you claim, they should back home, working hard to bring their own country into the present.
26 posted on 10/01/2003 5:49:52 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (To damnedocrats, truth is a pest that unfairly deprives a liar of his/her credibility.)
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To: ppaul
You know the funny thing about MECHA is the fact that if they were to ever have California handed over to them permantely, the illegals would still be crossing over to the US.
27 posted on 10/01/2003 6:52:40 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: My2Cents
What is your alternative? Throwing out all farmworkers? Some kind of guest worker program is the only way to keep the agricultural industry in the Southwest from going belly-up.

There may be a need for guest-worker legislation that would allow farmworkers to enter from Mexico on temporary visas. That does not, however, justify allowing line-jumpers more freedoms than those who attempt to go through this country's long and arduous legal immigration process.

Personally, I'd support an amnesty for illegal aliens iff it was modeled after the RIAA's "amnesty" program: if an illegal alien goes to a government office before Dec 31, 2003, gives a photograph and fingerprints, and signs a form acknowledging their nationality and agreeing that if they are caught in this country illegally after Jan 1, 2004, they'll go to prison for five years; then after they've signed that form they'll be allowed to go home (i.e. their country of origin).

28 posted on 10/01/2003 7:54:18 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: supercat
BTT
29 posted on 10/01/2003 8:02:33 PM PDT by ZDaphne
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To: .cnI redruM
President Bush, your veto of this measure could reverse your slide in the polls.

Yep, as soon as the price of a pound of your favourite veggies doubles!

30 posted on 10/01/2003 8:06:23 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Far out, man!)
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To: engrpat
We are having a Counter Call-In Day TOMORROW, 10-2...the illegals will be flooding the WH and Congress tollfree numbers! Here is our chance to CALL IN and tell them what we think also!

Daily Thread: Illegal Alien Freedom Ride Counter Protest

Freeper's let's keep the lines busy with 'our' comments, please!?

31 posted on 10/01/2003 8:29:56 PM PDT by JustPiper (We deserve no less than closed border's after 911!!!)
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To: CIBvet
There's an interesting poll at www.cnn.com/lou. It asks: Should illegal aliens get the same rights as US Citizens? So far NO has 87%. Isn't it amazing how the politicians are only interested in the 13%??
32 posted on 10/01/2003 9:10:15 PM PDT by AuntB (Your rights stop where my nose starts!)
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To: CIBvet
BTTT

33 posted on 10/01/2003 9:54:24 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: CIBvet
BTTT I love this site! It takes all of the work out of faxing your homeboys on the issues. You only enter your zip code, it pulls up your Senators and Reps for you! It also has prewritten items that you can cut and paste into the window. Then it's just your address and presto...they are faxed for you! If you havn't checked it out, click on the URL and try it out.

34 posted on 10/01/2003 9:54:39 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: PRND21
Action alerts are usually Breaking News.
35 posted on 10/01/2003 9:55:29 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: Fledermaus
Come on, don't you know we U.S. citizens should be forced to provide welfare, healthcare, education, etc. to every citizen around the planet? (sarcasm alert)

LOL Yeah, and if we don't, we're racists.
36 posted on 10/01/2003 9:56:45 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: CIBvet
Yet another amnesty for illegals. What the heck.

Would someone please explain to me why I should have any regard for the law at this point in time? Anyone? Because I'm just about to lose it. If I said what I really wanted to say I would be banned, and that's after about four edits to tone this down!

Again, why should I give one flying fling at a rolling donut about the law? It's obvious that our "representatives" don't care about it, so why should the rest of us care? Why should we obey the law and go to work and pay taxes when we are betrayed every single day?
37 posted on 10/01/2003 9:57:45 PM PDT by Elliott Jackalope (We send our kids to Iraq to fight for them, and they send our jobs to India. Now THAT'S gratitude!)
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To: CIBvet
Done!
38 posted on 10/01/2003 9:59:48 PM PDT by Be active
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To: CIBvet
Ted Kennedy, like the Energizer Rabbit, never stops attempting to undermine American sovereignty. He is evil incarnate.
39 posted on 10/01/2003 10:00:16 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (See Rock City! Get Your US Driver's License!)
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To: My2Cents
You've been misinformed. Less than 2% of illegals actually pick your lettuce.

Less than 6% pay any taxes.

25% are on public assistance. Why should we taxpayers subsidize someone's cheap labor?

28% of the prison population are illegal aliens who have committed crimes against American Citizens.

They cost us taxpayers $20,000,000,000 a year.

They displace 730,000 US workers a year.
40 posted on 10/01/2003 10:00:23 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Action alerts are usually Breaking News.

That explains it's quick removal. It's clearly talking points.

41 posted on 10/01/2003 10:01:36 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: Revolting cat!
How much of the cost of a head of lettuce goes to pay field workers? According to the University of California, is costs around 22 cents to grow and harvest a head of lettuce. Of that, about 15 cents goes for farm labor. If we doubled the wages of farm workers, the cost of a head of lettuce would increase by fifteen cents -- even less if labor saving machines are justified. For labor costs to force lettuce to $5 per head, farmers would have to pay field workers $280 an hour. At that rate, it would be the kind of work "every American would want to do."

The problem with illegal immigration is not that labor costs too much; it is that growers compete in a commodity market. If one grower can outdo another by using illegal labor, then his profits will increase. Inevitably, all growers must do the same thing to survive. As recent studies show, illegal immigration is driving down the wages of millions of Americans, while at the same time increasing their taxes. To stop this downward spiral we must control the borders and police the work site as well.


42 posted on 10/01/2003 10:01:52 PM PDT by Be active
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To: Revolting cat!
Yep, as soon as the price of a pound of your favourite veggies doubles!

It already has! They cost the taxpayers $20,000,000,000 per year in public assistance. If that cost were added onto your cheap strawberries, you'd be having a canary.
43 posted on 10/01/2003 10:02:36 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: CIBvet
Bump!
44 posted on 10/01/2003 10:02:40 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (Homeland Security + Tom Ridge = Open Borders --> Demand Change!)
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To: Be active
"The problem with illegal immigration is not that labor costs too much; it is that growers compete in a commodity market. If one grower can outdo another by using illegal labor, then his profits will increase. Inevitably, all growers must do the same thing to survive. As recent studies show, illegal immigration is driving down the wages of millions of Americans, while at the same time increasing their taxes. To stop this downward spiral we must control the borders and police the work site as well."

Your analysis bore repeating for the hard of listening. Not only is this phenomenon played out in agriculture, construction and factory production, it spreads corruption among employers who wouldn't otherwise risk breaking the law. Once that line is crossed it's an easy slide down to overworking and short-paying their illegal hires.
45 posted on 10/02/2003 4:10:35 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Complacency is the slowest poison.)
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To: Revolting cat!
Do the math before you make any further ridiculous statements like that.

Labor is such a small factor in the price of agricultural goods that labor costs would have to skyrocket to $260 per hour in order for lettuce to cost $5.00 per head.

If farmers start paying $260 per hour, Bush, Cheney and Rove will be running down to get in line for a job picking lettuce, themselves.

I'd gladly pay $5.00 for a head of lettuce to see that day.

46 posted on 10/02/2003 5:39:14 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: 4Freedom


yeah yeah .. whatever

47 posted on 10/02/2003 11:23:33 AM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: Revolting cat!
One of my favorite veggies is fresh tomatoes in the summer. The price this summer was $.99 to $1.99 a pound. This is a high price for tomatoes in the summer. Where are the low cost vegetables?????

Have you seen any reduction in grocery prices from the illegals? If so, name the items.



48 posted on 10/02/2003 9:29:41 PM PDT by texastoo
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To: texastoo
"Have you seen any reduction in grocery prices from the illegals?"

That dockworkers strike brought prices down temporarily in California. But listen to Gray Davis: the growers can't get anyone else to put in the time in the fields to pick strawberries! - for the right wages, pickers would be lined up at the fields.

From recent news reports, the California Grocery Clerks Union is threatening a strike. 70,000 employees may picket the Vons, Ralphs, Albertsons chains of stores. Gee, no wonder there are so many checkout lines closed in the stores. $19 to $20 an hour plus benefits -for a grocery clerk isn't bad.

49 posted on 10/02/2003 11:36:32 PM PDT by Susannah (Arnold Schwarzenegger is not the Terminator....he's the Kindergarden Cop!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
"28% of the prison population are illegal aliens who have committed crimes against American Citizens."

AH-HAH! - solution = put the prisoners on a "chain gang" to pick fruit and vegetables.



50 posted on 10/02/2003 11:58:01 PM PDT by Susannah (Arnold Schwarzenegger is not the Terminator....he's the Kindergarden Cop!)
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