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To: okie01; Fedora
The earliest allegations of false documents were about ones traced to Italy. I no longer remember the details. But the earliest accusation was that Blair and Bush had based some of their Iraq WMD claims on those false documents. This was in 2002, as I recall.

And, okie, it is indeed much larger than just the Wilson angle. We must not lose sight of the dust up in Britain that led to an investigation about forged docs and the guy who allegedly committed suicide. The forged docs story touched three key allies in the coalition that supported toppling Hussein: Italy, the UK and the U.S. The Wilson saga is but a domestic thread in a tangled international web.

272 posted on 07/14/2005 10:40:39 PM PDT by Wolfstar (The Dim Party and its fellow leftist travelers want nothing less than the fall of the United States.)
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To: Wolfstar
The forged docs story touched three key allies in the coalition that supported toppling Hussein: Italy, the UK and the U.S. The Wilson saga is but a domestic thread in a tangled international web.

To build on that line of thought, I'd add that I think it also touches on Middle Eastern nations relevant to US-UK operations in Iraq. A number of the intelligence community figures who've been attacking Bush (e.g. Bob Baer) have a background with the Clinton CIA's operations in Iraq and other parts of the Middle East. The CIA station in Jordan (along with its MI6 counterpart and the MI6-supported Iraqi National Accord, composed of a group of ex-Ba'athists and former members of Saddam's regime) used assets from Jordanian intelligence, which had been penetrated by Saddam's agents. It seems to me there must be a link between the Western intelligence agency factions attacking Bush and Saddam's intelligence network, and it'd be logical to infer the link intersects with the channels used for Oil-for-Food money transfers.

274 posted on 07/15/2005 5:31:01 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Wolfstar

I have some more articles that quote anonymous government officials. I suspect a majority of the quotes are coming from the VIPS folks, those that quote "intelligence officials", etc. Occasionally there are ex-ambassador or ex-envoy quotes that probably came from Wilson. But all the quotes during that early 2003 period that made accusations about pressure from the administration to slant reporting seem to come from the same group of people--McGovern, Thielmann, Lang, the Christisons, etc.

I agree that this is all much larger than Wilson--I think he's being used by these other people and he doesn't even realize it. The Plame outing is just a fortunate event that they're making the most of. I believe the origins of the battle go back to these ex-government workers who make up VIPS and their belief that the driving force of every action of this administration is the "neocon" master plan for Israeli security.

Here's another article to add to the collection:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/PIN307A.html

"A senior intelligence official said the agency did not consider the documents revelatory because they contained the same information, from other sources, already in intelligence reports. But in hindsight, the official said, "we failed to see the signals" that would have indicated they were forged.

Another intelligence official said "the documents were such a minor point of analysis for anyone" because the information was not deemed reliable. "


275 posted on 07/15/2005 6:21:36 PM PDT by Wendy44
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