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Schwarzenegger Admired Hitler, Book Proposal Says
The New York Times ^ | 10/03/03 | ADAM NAGOURNEY and DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

Posted on 10/02/2003 8:01:30 PM PDT by Pokey78

A film producer who chronicled Arnold Schwarzenegger's rise to fame as a champion bodybuilder in the 1970's circulated a book proposal six years ago that quoted the young Mr. Schwarzenegger expressing admiration for Adolf Hitler.

The book proposal by the producer, George Butler, included what were presented as verbatim excerpts from interviews conducted with Mr. Schwarzenegger in the filming of the documentary "Pumping Iron." In a part of the interview not used in the film, Mr. Schwarzenegger was asked to name his heroes — "who do you admire most."

"It depends for what," Mr. Schwarzenegger said, according to the transcript contained in the book proposal. "I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education up to power. And I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for what he did with it."

In addition to the transcript, Mr. Butler wrote in his book proposal that in the 1970's, he considered Mr. Schwarzenegger a "flagrant, outspoken admirer of Hitler." In the proposal, Mr. Butler also said he had witnessed Mr. Schwarzenegger playing "Nazi marching songs from long-playing records in his collection at home" and said that the actor "frequently clicked his heels and pretended to be an S.S. officer."

Mr. Schwarzenegger, in a telephone interview on Thursday, said that he did not recall making any of the comments attributed to him, or engaging in any of the behavior described by Mr. Butler.

"Let you tell you something: it's one of those things that if you come from that background, you get accused a lot of times of being that, of being a Nazi," said Mr. Schwarzenegger, who grew up in Austria, and whose father was a Nazi.

"So you know, I despise anything that Hitler stands for, anything he has done, hated the Nazism, hated what was done during the second World War" he continued. Mr. Schwarzenegger said that he did consider Hitler to be "a great public speaker," but that he was someone who had used his talent "for something negative."

In an interview Wednesday at his Upper East Side home, Mr. Butler stood by his recollection of a young Mr. Schwarzenegger playing Nazi marches and mimicking an S.S. officer. But he described them as passing behavior of an immature young man who had quickly grown up. And he said the comments were the product of the body-building culture of the 1970's. "It is the wackiest, zaniest, silliest, strangest world on earth," he said.

The exchange from "Pumping Iron" that was contained in the book proposal was confirmed on Thursday by Peter Davis, a consultant to the documentary project who conducted the interviews of Mr. Schwarzenegger for the film, which chronicled and helped popularize the body-building culture. But Mr. Davis, who is also a documentary producer, suggested that the excerpt had been taken out of context in Mr. Butler's proposal, and that Mr. Schwarzenegger had gone on to say that he had changed his views on Hitler as he grew up in Austria.

"He went right on to say, basically, as soon as he woke up, his hero became John F. Kennedy and he was shaking his head at himself," Mr. Davis said.

A copy of the proposal for the book, which would have been entitled "The Master Plan," was provided to the New York Times on Tuesday by someone who has no obvious affiliation with any of the California campaigns. The person provided the copy on the condition that his identity be kept secret and would not explain the motivation for releasing it. But the person was aware that the disclosure, coming within days of the California recall election, could damage Mr. Schwarzenegger's campaign.

Mr. Butler, widely viewed as an expert on Mr. Schwarzenegger's career, confirmed the authenticity of the document, which he described as very tightly held, in an hourlong interview at his home on Wednesday.

Mr. Butler sold his proposal to St. Martin's Press for $500,000, but he said he decided not to write it, saying his research did not bear out his initial views of Mr. Schwarzenegger. He said that St. Martin's paid him $200,000 of the advance and that he had returned $100,000.

Mr. Schwarzenegger said Thursday that he purchased the rights to "Pumping Iron" in the early 1990's, a deal that resulted in his taking possession of all the film and outtakes.

Mr. Schwarzenegger said Thursday he was prepared to release outtakes to the public, though he said he was not certain where they were.

"I don't know if I have them now," he said. "If I find them, I would."

Mr. Butler said that he no longer had copies of the film or the outtakes. Asked if he had still had copies of the transcripts, which are routinely prepared in the preparation of documentaries, he said he might have them at his home in New Hampshire. "I may have some things and we are doing a real search in New Hampshire," he said. "There's a big cellar and there's a lot of stuff and it's been flooded down there and I'm not sure whether I do or I don't."

Mr. Butler and Mr. Schwarzenegger described their relationship as cordial. Several of Mr. Butler's associates said his career had been launched by his affiliation with Mr. Schwarzenegger. From the early 1970's, Mr. Butler predicted to associates that Mr. Schwarzenegger would become famous.

In the transcript, according to the Butler book proposal, Mr. Schwarzenegger said he wished he could experience the adulation of being a speaker at a huge political rally.

"The feeling like Kennedy had, you know, to speak to maybe 50,000 people at one time and having them cheer, or like Hitler in the Nuremberg Stadium," he said, the transcript shows. "And have all those people scream at you and just being in total agreement with whatever you say."

Mr. Schwarzenegger has gone to great lengths during this campaign to erase any suggestion that he has had ties to Nazi Germany, a charge he has encountered repeatedly in his public career. In 1993, in fact, Mr. Schwarzenegger was awarded damages in a libel suit in London against a British journalist who wrote several years earlier that the actor held Nazi views and admired Hitler.

Mr. Butler said that he distributed the proposal for the book, "The Master Plan," to six New York publishers in 1997, and that all rejected it. He said that his agent, Peter Matson, negotiated to sell it to St. Martin's.

In an interview, Mr. Matson confirmed that Mr. Butler, in pitching the proposal, had detailed Mr. Schwarzenegger's comments on Hitler.

Two editors who worked on the project in 1975, Geof Bartz and Larry Silk, said in interviews on Thursday that they did not recall the exchange that Mr. Butler included in his book proposal. But later in the day, after being told of Mr. Davis' recollection, Mr. Bartz said he had spoken to Mr. Silk about the remarks, and was no longer certain of his recollection.

"I thought the quote did sound like it came from a transcript, and we talked about whether we had forgotten it or cleaned it up somehow," he said. "And we realized we couldn't be completely sure."

A spokesman for St. Martin's said it canceled plans for the book because Mr. Butler failed to complete it. Mr. Butler said he backed out on his own.

"I just found that there was a lot of loose ends, and eventually — I'm a serious filmmaker, I care about my reputation," he said. "I want to always have it straight. I just felt uncomfortable writing this book and that's why I didn't do it."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: hitler; nazi; recall; schwarzenegger
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1 posted on 10/02/2003 8:01:31 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Its all about money. Someone wants to make a fast buck off another person's reputation. HURL ALERT!
2 posted on 10/02/2003 8:03:26 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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3 posted on 10/02/2003 8:04:27 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Pokey78
Democrats are getting pretty desperate. They are pulling out the "Hitler-Card."
4 posted on 10/02/2003 8:05:11 PM PDT by Reagan79 (Pro Life! Pro Family! Pro Reagan!)
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To: Reagan79
Yeah... you're NOT a liberal if you're a Republican. You're a Nazi whether that's figurative or literal. In this case the Democrats claim Arnold is no liberal cause he loves Hitler.
5 posted on 10/02/2003 8:06:56 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Pokey78
But wait! There's more... to come.
6 posted on 10/02/2003 8:07:02 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Reagan79
I remember quite well the Bush crowd in 92' pulling the same "card" when Buchanan was challenging Bush and doing quite well in the early primaries...
7 posted on 10/02/2003 8:07:36 PM PDT by Brian S (Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem...RWReagan)
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To: Carry_Okie
Drip... drip... drip... there's more tomorrow afternoon, you can be sure of it.
8 posted on 10/02/2003 8:07:51 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Reagan79
Democrats are getting pretty desperate. They are pulling out the "Hitler-Card."

But Arnold Schwarzenfuhrer made it easy for them, didn't he?

9 posted on 10/02/2003 8:10:02 PM PDT by Kevin Curry (McClintock true conservatism would not only win, it would win in a landslide)
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To: Kevin Curry
Maybe- Maybe not.
10 posted on 10/02/2003 8:11:00 PM PDT by Burkeman1 ((If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.))
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To: Pokey78
Let's see.....Democrats go to Iraq and lolly around with Saddam.....Democrats go to Castro and dine with him.....but Arnold MAY have SAID something years ago.....and....???
11 posted on 10/02/2003 8:11:33 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Free People are NOT Equal; EQUAL People are NOT FREE.)
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To: Pokey78
This just in...."Arnold Schwarzenegger picked his nose when he was 11. News at 10"

He said he was sorry.
12 posted on 10/02/2003 8:13:40 PM PDT by cowtowney
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To: Pokey78

So we have a producer, Butler, and a consultant, Davis, who recall Schwarzenegger's Hitler statements. We have editors Bartz and Silk who don't recall the interview, but aren't sure. We have an account from Matxon, Butler's agent, that Butler was pitching the Hitler interview in his book deal.

Butler may or may not have a transcript. Schwarzenegger may or may not have film.

And Schwarzenegger doesn't remember if he made the comments which Butler attributed to him.

This is a mess that won't be resolved over the weekend.

On top of all of this, the charge is old and Schwarzenegger has done work with the Simon Weisenthal Center, and has had his own father's Nazi past investigated.

I have no clue as to what, if any, effect this will have next Tuesday.


13 posted on 10/02/2003 8:16:16 PM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Pokey78
So, Gray Davis admires Larry Flynt and Ted Kennedy.
14 posted on 10/02/2003 8:17:15 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Pokey78
The DemocRats admire Hitler's propaganda abilities. They copy them to the "T".

Speaking of Hitler made me visualize the Hildebeast with dark hair and a Hitler moustache. OMG, SHE IS HITLER'S DAUGHTER!

Quick! Anyone got Photoshop who cna co a bit of alteration?
15 posted on 10/02/2003 8:17:36 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Pokey78; ALOHA RONNIE; rodeo-mamma
HIllary Diane "The Divine One" Clinton
is the one who admires Hitler.


It's so obvious that the Clinton's are desperate to stop Governor Arnold and they are enlisting their Elitist-Comrades in the media to stop the People of California from saving the USA from President Hillary!


Pray, America.
Pray for VICTORY on October 7th.

16 posted on 10/02/2003 8:18:38 PM PDT by Joy Angela
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To: Pokey78
Arnold denies admiring women and groping Hitler --- more to follow...
17 posted on 10/02/2003 8:19:13 PM PDT by mikrofon
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To: mikrofon
LOL! "...admiring women and groping Hitler..."

Name this movie and win a cookie:

"So, what do we do now?"

"We, rape the horses!"

(cheers) "Yeah, rape the horses!"

"And, uh, steal the women!"

(cheers) "Steal the women!"

"And, uh, prune the hedges!"

(cheers) "We prune...HEY!"
18 posted on 10/02/2003 8:28:06 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: Joy Angela
You know....after Oct 7th....when Arnold wins....me thinks the Clinton's might be finally heading to the HASBEENS file...(I can dream, can't I?)
19 posted on 10/02/2003 8:29:41 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Free People are NOT Equal; EQUAL People are NOT FREE.)
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To: goodnesswins; ALOHA RONNIE
The Clintons will become more vile
and dangerous if Arnold wins.

When you listen to Bill and Hillary Clinton
speak, you can hear the underlying message that
this is WAR and that the good-people of America
are the Enemy.

Good VS Evil.

America VS The Clintons.

20 posted on 10/02/2003 8:33:04 PM PDT by Joy Angela
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To: Windcatcher
Three Amigos.
21 posted on 10/02/2003 8:36:29 PM PDT by Rocko
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To: Rocko
Yay! I was beginning to lose hope.
22 posted on 10/02/2003 8:37:30 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: Joy Angela
What's almost funny is that Arnold is too liberal for most non-libertarian Freepers, but he still gets flat-out called a Nazi by the Lib dirt-machine. Wonder what they'd be saying about if he was a real conservative. Remember this guy agrees with half their agenda and this is the thanks he gets.
23 posted on 10/02/2003 8:41:20 PM PDT by Callahan
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To: Kevin Curry
Arnold Schwarzenfuhrer made it easy for them, didn't he?

As Mr. Curry jumps into the DumpSter with Bob Mulholland. You actually call him a Nazi? Shame.

24 posted on 10/02/2003 8:41:23 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: Pokey78
Anyone can get a sense of Arnold Schwarzenegger's core values by the reflections of his youth as recounted by his Jewish mentor:


Alfred Gerstl, the man who would mentor Schwarzenegger, was born between the two world wars, the son of a Jewish father, with a grandfather who was a cantor in Brooklyn, and an Austrian Catholic mother who converted to Judaism for her wedding. Alfred would eventually become president of the upper house of the Austrian parliament, but in the late 1950s and throughout the '60s, he ran a club for student athletes in Graz.

Gerstl said he took it upon himself to teach the young men, Arnold among them, about a history his country was denying and about the dangers of anti-Semitism and fascism.

"I gathered the young people together for sports, but the condition was they had to listen," Gerstl, 80, said in an interview at his apartment in Graz. "Arnold was very inquisitive. He always wanted to know why we were against the Nazis. He always understood the need to protect the weak."

In after-school sessions at his home, Gerstl would play records of operatic music and tell Arnold that the beautiful voices he heard were those of persecuted Jews. Gerstl, his son Karl, Arnold and others would have long talks about sports and life and, occasionally, politics.

It is unclear how much of that early indoctrination stuck. Schwarzenegger, who left Austria for good in 1968, has said he "hated" the arts as a child and retained youthful prejudices until spending time in a more open, progressive United States.

Gerstl is fond of remembering a brave schoolmaster in Graz in the early 1960s who arranged a field trip to Mauthausen, the main Nazi-era concentration camp in Austria that was preserved as a museum.

Reactionary groups attacked the man for airing Austria's dirty laundry. Although Schwarzenegger did not go on the field trip, he was among the youths who staged a counter-demonstration in defense of the headmaster, according to Gerstl.

Now, Schwarzenegger's many admiring friends in Thal and Graz hold up these anecdotes as evidence that he could not possibly be anti-Semitic.


When you consider how anti-semitic Austria was for hundreds of years, it is extremely remarkable that Arnold took part in a demonstration in support of the headmaster who wanted to educate his students about Nazi atrocities. That says more about him than anything the New York or LA Times could ever say with their "Puke-litzer Prize" journalists.

25 posted on 10/02/2003 8:43:38 PM PDT by carbon14
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To: Pokey78
This is some fine opposition research, all righty.
26 posted on 10/02/2003 8:44:25 PM PDT by Imal (I set my browser to "Maximum Sarcasm", then broke off the knob.)
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To: Callahan; ALOHA RONNIE
Yep. The Democrats are afraid of what Governor
Arnold will mean in the 2004 Presidential Election.

HIllary Clinton wrote her college thesis about Saul Alinsky, the author of "Rules for Radicals."

One of Alinsky's rules is to ACCUSE the "enemy" of what
you are and of what you do.

All this Nazi-calling from the Left makes
me think that they are following Alinsky and
hoping to deflect anyone who starts to notice
that it is Hitlery and HER comrades who are
marching to the beat of the manical-dictator.

Watch and Learn.

"Living History" right before our eyes...
27 posted on 10/02/2003 8:46:46 PM PDT by Joy Angela
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To: Kevin Curry
You once again demonstrate your complete lack of honor, kevin..

Thanks.
28 posted on 10/02/2003 8:54:21 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator)
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To: Pokey78
"My relationship to power and authority is that I'm all for it . . . People need somebody to watch over them. . . . Ninety-five percent of the people in the world need to be told what to do and how to behave." A. Schwarzenfuherer, US News & World Report 1990
29 posted on 10/02/2003 8:58:13 PM PDT by Kevin Curry (Kaiser Arnold trifft alle Entscheidungen für die Sklaven und er drückt die Brüste ihrer Kühe.)
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To: Kevin Curry
But Arnold Schwarzenfuhrer made it easy for them, didn't he?

The funny thing is that Europe has always been more sensitive to acclaimations about admiring Hitler for any reason-- and Schwarzenegger couldn't help but have grown up in the sort of PC -climate we have today.

As a guy in his twenties, he almost certainly could have picked anyone with a popular rags-to-riches tale. And with his desire to experience throngs of admirers in a stadium, he could have picked rock stars like The Who or Led Zeppilin.

If true, it sounds like Arnold wanted to convey the sort of hero-worship he craved and fellow Austrian Adolf was the closest comparison he could make.

30 posted on 10/02/2003 8:58:22 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: tpaine
My, my, tpaine. How have you come to adore a "statist" as avowedly power hungry as A. Schwarzenfuhrer?
31 posted on 10/02/2003 9:00:41 PM PDT by Kevin Curry (Kaiser Arnold trifft alle Entscheidungen für die Sklaven und er drückt die Brüste ihrer Kühe.)
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To: Sabertooth
I wish I'd read your post first. I should have considered the source first.
32 posted on 10/02/2003 9:01:26 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I've always warned that Hillary will be America's first Chancellor.
33 posted on 10/02/2003 9:02:28 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Kevin Curry
When I was in college, I was known to do Hitler imitations. I used to put a black comb under my nose. I watched "Triumph of the Will" when it played on campus. I don't think any of that makes me a Nazi or an anti-semite--I was mocking them--but if I were ever nominated for a judgeship, it's quite likely some idiot would dig that stuff up and draw ridiculous inferences. This is a trashy accusation.
34 posted on 10/02/2003 9:05:48 PM PDT by maro
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To: pogo101; Kevin Curry
As Mr. Curry jumps into the DumpSter with Bob Mulholland. You actually call him a Nazi? Shame.

Actually, Anyone (not necessarily you) who calls McClintock supporters "Tomikazes" has certainly woken up with Mr. Mulholland's fleas.

And Kevin Curry did not call Arnold a Nazi.

35 posted on 10/02/2003 9:07:41 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: tpaine
The same goes for anyone who calls McClintock supporters Tomikazes. And for the same reasons.
36 posted on 10/02/2003 9:10:18 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Pokey78
This has Richie Ross' fingerprints all over it. I said a few weeks ago that this campaign would get unbelievably nasty in the last week. This is Ross' MO - he is the master of the October Surprise.

(In case you missed it, Richie Ross is the political guru of Cruz Bustamante and was Willie Brown's hatchet man when he was Assembly Speaker. He is the single sleaziest political operative I have ever encountered in 30 years of working on campaigns.)

37 posted on 10/02/2003 9:15:06 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Except for the one who married me!!!)
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To: Sabertooth
What does it mean? It means he's a reformed national-socialist who, for political convenience, has made an outward demonstration of penance toward the Jewish people.

The fact remains: he has a deep thirst to exercise personal power over people he does not consider his equals--which in his mind (by his own admission) is about 95 percent of the world's population.

38 posted on 10/02/2003 9:16:07 PM PDT by Kevin Curry (Kaiser Arnold trifft alle Entscheidungen für die Sklaven und er drückt die Brüste ihrer Kühe.)
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To: Pokey78
Guess Arnnie can count on the muslim vote then eh?
39 posted on 10/02/2003 9:18:43 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Kevin Curry
Adore?
Get a grip curry.
Arnies a clown, but here's ~our~ bozo, not the republocratic systems. Maybe he'll do some good for CA politics, as Jesse did for MN...
40 posted on 10/02/2003 9:26:38 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator)
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To: BradyLS
You are absolutly right, Ms Curry. Kevin was a fine boy.

Ugly man, but hey...
41 posted on 10/02/2003 9:30:58 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator)
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To: Pokey78
... and the desperate smear campaigns of the marxist left begin. Led by their KGB-like propaganda machine.

This whole election process makes me want to vomit.

No matter how bad this freaking mess gets, it increases my intent to vote against Gov. Doofus, and BustaMEChA.

42 posted on 10/02/2003 9:36:59 PM PDT by Duramaximus (Tom McClintock - Unlike Arnold, Tom Really Is A Conservative!)
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To: goldstategop
More and bigger.
43 posted on 10/02/2003 9:37:09 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Pokey78
LA Times is reporting that Arnold was commanding one of the attack planes on 9/11. He somehow managed to parachute out just before the jet hit the world trade towers.
44 posted on 10/02/2003 9:39:10 PM PDT by doc
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To: pogo101
He's good friends with Kurt Waldheim too.

Arnold's certainly got questionable tastes...
45 posted on 10/02/2003 9:39:39 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (A proud member of the McClintock Militia)
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To: tpaine
I'm sorry. You have a body-builder's **** in your mouth. What was that?
46 posted on 10/02/2003 9:39:51 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Carry_Okie
Like what?
47 posted on 10/02/2003 9:41:14 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (I'm not perfect, but parts of me are excellent.)
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To: BradyLS; Kevin Curry
You're weird.. Just like your boyo kevin..
48 posted on 10/02/2003 9:43:35 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator)
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To: tpaine
Can't hold a candle to you, my friend.
49 posted on 10/02/2003 9:45:22 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
I don't know specifically. I have been told by those who should know that they considered it to be a fatal blow.

That's all I can say.

I expected Arnold to take a dive some time before this. I'm a bit surprised it has gone this far.
50 posted on 10/02/2003 9:47:38 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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