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To: pogo101
To try to keep things civil, although I don't really have any more respect for your hours of pinging and posting to trash Arnold than I had/have for those trashing Tom in various silly ways:

My point was a valid one. Everyone keep saying that the actions of his youth are not relevant to today, and this pops up implying that the actions of his youth indicate what a special person he is. I was trying to make the point that they can't have it both ways.

And for the record, everything I have criticized him for is related to his policy positions and public behavior. I'm sure it sounds like "trash" to Arnold supporters because most are still in denial that they are supporting a very liberal candidate, with a shady past.

34 posted on 10/03/2003 11:34:20 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (It's time for Arnold to stop splitting the Republican vote and step aside for the good of the party)
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To: ElkGroveDan
My point was a valid one.

I agree about avoiding double standards, and some on FR appear to apply them. But I believe you obscuring your valid point -- that a candidate's past matters somewhat -- with your unmistakeable glee at the tarring of the person largely blamed for McClintock's not winning more GOP support in the recall race.

If your tone were more sober, if you at least acknowledged that the timing and, at least in part, the content of these smears are suspect, it'd go a long way towards civil discourse. But if you post smarm and sarcasm, it doesn't; it reveals only bitterness instead.

37 posted on 10/03/2003 11:41:32 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: ElkGroveDan
"My point was a valid one."

No, not really. You have difficulty with understanding what people write and sorting things out, I'm afraid. Yes, one should not automatically assume that the behavior one displays at an early age is necessarily indicative of a person's outlook today. Some people mature. However, behavior at the age of seventeen, one would assume, would be more closely related to one's outlook at the age of twenty five, which is IIRC how old Arnold was at the time the film Pumping Iron was made and the alleged comments were made about Hitler. These anti Nazi actions do not square with the idea of Arnold as a Hitler lover.

Furthermore, everyone involved with the making of Pumping Iron denies the story about Hitler comments. I hope these facts don't ruin your Arnie hating day.

87 posted on 10/03/2003 4:14:07 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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