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Computer scientists fear voter fraud with touch-screen voting
Associated Press ^ | 10-6-03 | RACHEL KONRAD

Posted on 10/06/2003 3:25:35 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:44:16 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) -- Punch-card ballots from Tuesday's historic recall election are sure to get a going-over by political activists, but some computer scientists think touch-screen voting machines deserve just as much scrutiny.

While punch-card ballots caused headaches for Florida election officials with their "hanging" and "pregnant" chads, 10 percent of the touch-screen machines in California don't produce paper printouts. And no printouts, the scientists say, would make a legitimate recount impossible.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: chad; electronicvoting; fraud; lockbox; recall; recount; riskyscheme
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1 posted on 10/06/2003 3:25:35 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Yes, while everyone has their attention diverted, Davis lets it be know he is ordering boxes and shredders to vacate, and no one is paying attention to what is going on in and around the voting booth.

The Republicans and those who plan to vote for "recall" better keep a watch on making sure that the place where the real action will count is protected from the lying cheating liberals.
2 posted on 10/06/2003 3:34:38 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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3 posted on 10/06/2003 3:35:18 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Miss Marple
For the "list."
4 posted on 10/06/2003 3:36:22 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: truthkeeper
Yes. Another sign they are going to try to steal the election. In fact, I am beginning to think that they stole the election from Simon.
5 posted on 10/06/2003 3:43:50 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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There should always be a paper trail in something this important. Paperless voting will eventually lead to some very strange situations. It is just a matter of time. The decision-makers have been razzle-dazzled by the high-tech advocates and the hardware/software salesmen, or worse, some of them may be knowing-participants in the scam.
6 posted on 10/06/2003 3:51:29 AM PDT by DefCon
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Activists are demanding that ballot machine vendors include printers that produce paper receipts so citizens can confirm that paper results match their touch-screen choices. Receipts would go into a county lock-box for use in recounts.

For the life of me I don't understand why we would accept anything less. There has to be SOME paper trail!

7 posted on 10/06/2003 3:56:55 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: truthkeeper
There isn't. After 20 years of voting with punch cards, and never a problem with chads, we switched to touchscreen computers in the last election. *Zero* paper trail.

My state rep seems concerned, and now seems to understand the issue, but there also seems to be a "well, we spent all this money, we can't go back" attitude.
8 posted on 10/06/2003 4:00:48 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (In for the monthly deal since 3 quarterlies ago - support Free Republic!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Face it folks, many of us don't have the intelligence to nod our collective heads up and down to signify yes, never mind touching a computer screen to vote.

It's time to go back to the piece of paper and draw a picture of the guy or gal you are voting for.

Don't worry if the election officials will recognize who you have drawn.

They are trained professionals and will decipher it for you.

9 posted on 10/06/2003 4:01:10 AM PDT by G.Mason (Lessons of life need not be fatal)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
http://www.equalccw.com/dieboldtestnotes.html

This link will prove interesting reading. I have verified the info with an install of the software...
10 posted on 10/06/2003 4:06:51 AM PDT by beaware
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The Democrats dont want electronic voting to really work - they want people to have doubts about any election results that they don't win, whether it's electronic or paper. If they can't win, they poison the winner one way or another.
11 posted on 10/06/2003 4:13:03 AM PDT by afz400
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Researchers found it was theoretically possible to insert "back doors" into software code that would allow hackers -- or insiders -- to change future voters' choices and determine the outcome.
My first experience with e-vote and CNN insiders showed me in one second all the "benefits" :
1998 - CNN poll - should NATO attack Yugoslavia ?
After the poll was displaying ca. 80 NO -20 Yes for hours, one minute later it started displaying 49-51 ...
The software was obviously not yet designed for progressive fraud, so they still had to use a real-time fix ...
12 posted on 10/06/2003 4:17:05 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Which are the other 3 counties besides Riverside County ?
13 posted on 10/06/2003 4:27:17 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666
I think they are Shasta, Alameda and Plumas, which account, together with Riverside, for about 9 percent of all votes cast in CA.
14 posted on 10/06/2003 4:45:40 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Being an engineer, I have no faith whatsoever in electronic voting.
15 posted on 10/06/2003 4:47:06 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: G.Mason
All California counties must convert from paper to electronic voting systems by March 1, 2004. I think this explains trying to delay the recall.
16 posted on 10/06/2003 4:53:13 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: afz400
I noticed that the "computer scientists" who were worried about electronic voting were all college professors. While printing out a receipt for a paper trail would be a good addition, the real reason they don't like a computer voting system is that they fear that they will be unable to steal more elections with a more reliable system.
17 posted on 10/06/2003 4:53:42 AM PDT by LegionofDorkness
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To: Truth666
These things have wireless access. According to hackers (who found the program on company servers) the vote can be remotely accessed and changed without ever leaving a log that shows the machine has been accessed. You'll never know who won an election with these things.
18 posted on 10/06/2003 5:01:41 AM PDT by steve50 (Principles are useless if applied selectively)
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To: FreedomPoster
There was nothing wrong with the punch card system. I've always voted that way. IMHO, if a person is too dense to be able to properly drive a stylus through a hole next to the name of the candidate of their choice, they deserve to lose their vote.

The real problem is that people who should know better have refused to put up a fight over losing this valid system, for fear of not being P.C. What a bunch of spineless wimps.

19 posted on 10/06/2003 5:07:36 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: truthkeeper
"There has to be SOME paper trail!"
The court doesn't agree with you :
http://www.thedesertsun.com/news/stories/local/1031970237.shtml
A Palm Desert resident whose lawsuit challenging the county’s touch-screen voting system was dismissed plans to appeal the federal judge’s ruling.
"All I’m looking for is a paper trail so nobody can cheat," he said.
20 posted on 10/06/2003 5:10:00 AM PDT by Truth666
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