The Times Leaks on Arnold: What did the Democrats know and when did they know it?

LA Weekly ^ | 10-6-03 | Bill Bradley

[ambrose]

Let's wait until after the election to engage in recriminations. That's my opinion.

[Dolphy]

and spare us the contradiction that the Left will never let all of us live down?

What is there to live down? He wasn't an elected official, he wasn't abusing public trust, he wasn't accused of rape, he wasn't in a position to turn the IRS loose on his accuser, etc. etc. etc. The left wants to bring this up? I plan to tell them they were wrong all along, it wasn't just sex that Republicans were outraged over Clinton.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

What is there to live down?

Uh, do you think that flies? Seriously, have you ever faced down a liberal and got into a knock down drag out fight?

I have.

They don't accept rationalizing and damage control like you are saying, they don't accept it wasn't just sex that Republicans were outraged over Clinton.

Ya know why the don't, Spin Doctor? Because I can't honestly even buy that change of direction for crying out loud, and I'm fighting for it? This is embarrassing. It was always about getting "a Lewinski" and the cigar, and etc etc. If it wasn't, which it wasn't for me, it was the lying, well that was the perception in the media and unquestionably the motivation of many of the most shrill.

You guys always wanna talk about "reality" well, gee wiz-life is hard on Republicans, and perception-is-reality. and the perception was that Monica-Gate was about sexual behavior out of marriage. The party should have NEVER given us this hole to patch up in our arguing. We'll never be able to blast Slick Willie like he fully deserves to his followers effectively again.

Course I'm getting used the Party forcing me into indefensible canards because of their choices, and their hypocracy...

[paulklenk]

Compare him to the way Gray Davis treats employees, and he actually looks pretty good.

Everyone looks pretty good, compared to someone worse.

The actual, current employees of Arnold love the man.

Sez who? What a load. What are current employees gonna do, come out against the man? Use your head.

He probably got into the habit of groping women because most of the women being groped responded favourably. Even the women who have now come forward admit they didn't complain at the time.

Tell that to your daughter when she's molested. What a disgusting piece of logic.

I think that's a long way from Bill Clinton's sins. And, frankly, Bill's worst sins were not sexual, they were his compulsive dishonesty that was best demonstrated by his comments on sexual matters.

Again, comparative molesting. Great. What are your sins, then? Are they great or are they small? I mean, in God's eyes? Who do you compare yourself to in order to sleep at night?

[Timesink]

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[xJones]

Uh, make that Schwarzenegger.

Is that how you spell it? :) Dang, if he gets elected we're all in trouble. Just think of trying to remember that while posting.

[Robert_Paulson2]

Schwarzenegger now represents the Enemy of the vilest Enemies of America, the rapist and his battleaxe wife, the daughter of Satan.

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c'mon buddie tell us what you REALLY think of them....

roflmao... ONLY On FREEREPUBLIC can you find this level of brutal honesty...

[Robert_Paulson2]

"Even the women who have now come forward admit they didn't complain at the time. "

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translation:
in the swingin seventies, they were diggin on him... and initiated the action. Let's face it, some of them melted with delight.. I have yet to see one "anita brodderick" type of confession or "paula jones" come forward on this "tempest in a teapot."

they were probably paid to come forward. and some of them are even still upset THEY were not Maria... as if...

[Tamzee]

If Arnold wins tomorrow, will you finally give up this campaign against him... or will it continue while he is in office?

[lainde]

ping

[Robert_Paulson2]

will it continue while he is in office?

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of course and it will spread to the president and rove and the other rinos out there the "true conservatives" actually despise.

but it won't have nearly the effect.

[Tempest]

Did you even read the article???

"Incidentally, the paper Monday backed off its previous contention that none of the women in subsequent stories came forward at the urging of Schwarzenegger’s opponents in the wake of the Weekly’s revelation that Jodie Evans, who pushed one of the women to come forward, is not merely the peace activist described by the Times but also a former close colleague of Governor Davis and longtime friend of chief Democratic hit man Bob Mulholland."

[nopardons]

I too, would like an answer to your query, from ALL of Tom's supporters.

[hotpotato]

however it is a clever slimeball tactic that, if true, will make hypocrites out of all Republicans if Arnold is elected.

How will it make hypocrites out of all republicans?

It is the eleventh-hour nature of these allegations that makes this a slimeball tactic.

Especially given the late hour publication where no one has time to prove or disprove the allegations. I have no idea what is true and what is simply opportunists looking for 15 minutes of fame while others are looking to unhinge an election with last minute sleazy accusations. Au contraire, rather than the republicans looking like hypocrites, I think the LA Times looks like it's in bed with Davis whether the stories prove to be true or not.

[paulklenk]

How will it make hypocrites out of all republicans?

Because we're the party who denounced Clinton but embraces Schwarzenegger -- without FIRST checking into his past ourselves. If the allegations prove true, that is.

[hotpotato]

Because we're the party who denounced Clinton but embraces Schwarzenegger

Funny... I thought Clinton was denounced for committing a crime called "perjury." But then, what do I know? I'm not a republican.

[laredo44]

Again, comparative molesting.

What molesting? The molesting reported right after the incident? The protestations, at the time, that Arnold stop what he was doing? Or the accusations flying twenty-five years later in the midst of a Democrat campaign slime-in?

Ever feel-up a date? Was it molesation? Not every touching is you know. And these women weren't complaining at the time. Where are all the folks claiming they told Arnold he was going to far? Telling him to tone down his hijinks? Giving him any indication that what he was doing wasn't what these women wanted?

Again, ever touch a date? If she asked you to stop, did you? Sure, so would I. If she responded amourously, did you stop?

Great. What are your sins, then?

More importantly, what are yours? What were you up to at 20 or 25 you aren't so proud of today? The holier-than-thou bell doesn't really ring very true, and it garners few votes.

[paulklenk]

Let's put Arnold and your sister in a room, then, and see if you like what happens. If you'd still elect him, I feel sorry for your sister.

[daviddennis]

Everyone looks pretty good, compared to someone worse.

That's the essence of politics.

And when the "someone worse" is corrupt like Davis or simply stupid like Bustamante, shouldn't we choose the person who can win against them?

Love it or hate it, we are electing a Governor, not a candidate for sainthood.

D

[an amused spectator]

If Arnold really has treated women as he is alleged to have, there is NO way we should be supporting him, under any circumstances.

Another Freeper had an interesting take on this - how many women groped Arnold? Why aren't we talking about that? I'll let you think about that for a while.

It is unfortunate that we don't have another candidate as impressive as he seems to be -- and yes, I really do like, admire, and support Arnold otherwise -- but such a history should preclude him from holding ANY office as a Republican.

Tom McClintock also has a problem with his "sordid" past - it just wasn't necessary for the Clinton/Davis campaign to spend the money to "discover" or invent it. I'm frankly surprised at the naivete of many Freepers over this issue.

The Democrats aren't playing twiddlywinks.