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Bustamante Making a Concession Speech - Arnold about to enter his podium
Posted on 10/07/2003 10:30:36 PM PDT by yonif
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To: DoughtyOne
I agree with you that Maria is a class act. I have always liked and admired her; never more so than now. My husband commented last night about how painful it must have been for her to see the Democrat Party try to destroy her husband. Maybe it's time for some soul searching. If any of the Kennedys do it, it would probably be her.
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10/08/2003 5:43:12 AM PDT
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twigs
To: vger
My Predictions:
1. Schwarzeneger will excel as California's Governor;
2. Bush wins 2004 Presidential election for including California;
3. Arnold faces Hildebeast in 2008 in Presidential election and is victorious!
vger has spoken......
Sorry VGER,
The Gov. can not run for President in '08 or any other year.
To: yonif
It was a good speech. I'd give it about a "C+"
To: Jack of Diamonds
For crying out loud, there's already 50 posts about this, one is enough. Everyone knows Arnold can't be president.
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10/08/2003 6:48:24 AM PDT
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dce88
To: Jack of Diamonds
3. Arnold faces Hildebeast in 2008 in Presidential election and is victorious! Impossible. You have to be born in the USA in order to be President. He was born in Austria.
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10/08/2003 6:55:59 AM PDT
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killjoy
To: twigs
Thanks Twigs.
To: dep
at what point do we repeal the constitution?. No need to repeal or amend the constitution. Just need five SCOTUS justices to say that the constitution didn't really mean that part. Hell, they do that all the time.
To: dep
guys! You don't have to "set aside" the constitution - it could be EASILY done with an amendment. Don't count it out.
New York Times - September 7, 2003
A foreign-born president? 2 bills take aim at the ban
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Comparisons between the actor who would be California governor and the actor who was California governor usually end with the same codicil.
Even if Arnold Schwarzenegger wins the recall election, he can never rise to the presidency, as Ronald Reagan of Dixon, Ill., did. Not necessarily because he lacks Reagan's political savvy, but because he was born in Austria.
But in the legislative carousel of Washington, everything is open to debate, even the 216-year-old constitutional requirement that presidents be native-born citizens. That article is encountering rising resentment from some lawmakers who regard it as antiquated and discriminatory.
Sen. Orrin Hatch, R.-Utah, called it "decidedly un-American" to allow only native-born citizens to hold the highest office in the land.
"Ours is a nation of immigrants," Hatch argued on the Senate floor this summer when he proposed a measure to eliminate the requirement.
Citing the former secretaries of state Henry Kissinger and Madeleine Albright, the Bush Cabinet members Elaine Chao and Mel Martinez, and Michigan's governor, Jennifer Granholm, Hatch said, "None of these well-qualified, patriotic United States citizens could be a lawful candidate for president."
A similar proposal in the House would also eliminate Article II's "natural born" requirement, which Hatch said "was driven largely by the concern that a European monarch, like King George III's second son, the Duke of York, might be imported to rule the United States."
Under Hatch's proposal, anyone who has been a U.S. citizen for at least 20 years and a resident for at least 14 years could be a candidate for commander in chief. The House version, sponsored by Rep. Vic Snyder, D.-Ark., calls for a candidate to have been a naturalized citizen for at least 35 years.
Tall task
Snyder said he considered the Senate proposal an encouraging sign but conceded that Congress was not likely to act on the measure soon.
"I think this is going to be a process of educating members," he said.
Both proposals would require amending the Constitution, which has been done only 27 times. A constitutional amendment requires approval by two-thirds of both the House and the Senate. Then at least three-quarters of the state legislatures must ratify it.
The movement to reverse the ban has created some odd alliances. Liberal Rep. Barney Frank, D.-Mass., who presides over a suburban Boston district with a large population of Portuguese and Russian immigrants, is a cosponsor of the House legislation. The conservative commentator George Will has also written in favor of abolishing the ban, arguing that it has an "unpleasantly nativist tang."
When Hatch introduced his amendment in July, he noted that not only do the foreign-born serve in the military, in Congress, on the Supreme Court and in the Cabinet, but more than 700 people born in other countries have received the Medal of Honor.
Jeffrey Rosen, an associate professor of law at George Washington University, said the new proposals faced challenges. Not only is the Constitution extremely difficult to amend, Rosen said, but immigrants in the United States have historically reaped far fewer rights than native-born citizens.
"Aliens don't have a very broad political constituency," Rosen said. "We learned that after 9/11, when Americans were perfectly willing to tolerate restrictions on aliens."
But Noah Feldman, an assistant professor of law at New York University, said amending the provision would bring the Constitution in line with American values.
"It's discriminating," Feldman said of the current requirement. "It's creating, in a way, a kind of second-class citizenship. I think we now recognize that once you're a citizen, you're a citizen."
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