cheap trick behind the most devastating lie in the history of mankind

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_Poll ^ | 10/15/2003 | self

[Truth666]

Here are the some of the results of a 1999 Gallup poll on creationism, evolution, and public education :
49% believe that human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life.
Evolution theory is the most important weapon to twist people's minds.
For 99% of the people the most important REAL reason for believing in it : a trick that costed a few bucks, 100 years ago.
Even more incredible : the trick has remained the same until now.
Only lately, with very fast computers that allow virtual reality software to perform convincing enough, have we seen some effects added to the base trick.
I wonder who is the first Freeper to find out the trick behind the most devastating lie in the history of mankind.

[PatrickHenry]

Hmmmm. Lemme guess.

Undertaker? (Sorry, it's a slow night.)

[AlguyA]

"I've dug them before and feel no shame. I would rather have a drink with the latrine digger than the man who had never done an honest days work."

But this sort of begs the question, doesn't it? Isn't the real issue whether the latrine digger would want to have a drink with you?

[Sentis]

Your close.

New hint.. reverse unertaker.

[Sentis]

See I misspelled undertaker :)

[PatrickHenry]

New hint.. reverse unertaker.

Grave robber? You work for Dr. Frankenstein?

[Sentis]

Well I have been called a graverobber before. :)

[PatrickHenry]

I guess that's better than being called a young-earther.

[Sentis]

very true

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

I'm drunk as hell tonight and I have better arguments than you guys.

Yeah, yeah, and i suppose all the women get prettier at closing time too...think about it.

[Gamecock]

Sarcasm is as sarcasm does....

BTW, read you American History. Contrary to the current binge of secular humanism revisionist history, the very religious folks you take glee in bashing are the descendents of those who founded this country and our form of government, and institutions of higher learning, and hospitals, etc....

[Gamecock]

Sarcasm is as sarcasm does....

BTW, read you American History. Contrary to the current binge of secular humanism revisionist history, the very religious folks you take glee in bashing are the descendents of those who founded this country and our form of government, and institutions of higher learning, and hospitals, etc....

[Sentis]

We have already discussed this. I mean with comebacks like strings of meaningless dates and "Name One" I must be doing rather well against the YE crowd.

[Sentis]

Who am I bashing again? I have been very consistent in stating that I have no problems with Christians other than the YE crowd. I have said not one revisionist word neither am I a secular humanist. We owe a debt to the christian founders as they owe a debt to the pagan romans and greeks that influenced their thought. That doesn't mean that the founding fathers should have believed the Titans created earth because they owed a debt to people who did. I therefore have no need to believe in biblical creationism even if I can acknowledge a debt. The only revisionist here took his ball and went home because his only come back was "Name one".

[Gamecock]

[Sentis]

Guess Ill head to bed, got to go out and work tommorrow. Guess you have a few hours to bash me. :)

[nobdysfool]

You are the one who wants a police state with no one able to disagree with your foolishness. I only want the luddite christians to shut up for the good of the party I have never supported legislation to keep them quiet. Those same christians certainly support legislation to keep me quiet.

Don't presume to tell me what I would support in the way of legislation. You couldn't possibly know. It doesn't bother me that you disagree with me. Not one bit. I'm not losing any sleep over it. As for legislation, I don't think we need any more, what is needed is for the laws already on the books to be enforced, and for the special interest groups like the homosexuals and lesbians to be stopped from ramming preferential treatment for their particular perversion down our throats. What is not needed is more laws. We have too many already. Eliminate the loopholes and plea bargains and make the criminals serve their time, and suffer the consequences of their actions. Capital punishment is right, it is the best way to deal with those who have taken a life deliberately. Actions have consequences. People like you keep trying to insulate people from that, to society's great harm.

I don't want legislation to keep you quiet, but I would support legislation to keep you from making me quiet. "My group" wants the full story to be told regarding evolution, i.e. that it is still only a theory, and that there are other theories as well. It is you people who want to suppress any discussion of any other theories with the same attention to detail as your pet theory of evolution. You want to think your great-great-great-great grandpappy was an ape, be my guest! You're free to believe as you will, but you are not free to demand that I believe as you do. By suppressing any discussion of alternate theories, that is exactly what you're doing.

There are more people who believe as I do than you know. they just aren't as vocal about it. Never think that silence is assent.

[CARepubGal]

Jesus doesn't want Moose for a Sunbeam, because Sunbeams ain't nothing like thee......"

[jude24]

How can light from a star 10,000 light years from the earth reach the earth if the universe is only 6000 years old? Don't cop out and say God created the universe with an appearance of age. That is not a scientific or sufficient answer. If you want to be a scientist you got to be able to answer the question scientifically.

It's not a scientific question. Can I observe it? Nope.

Fundamentally, science is nothing more than a complicated way of saying stuff like "I heated this stuff up to such and such a temperature, and it did this really cool thing," or "I pointed my telescope in such a direaction at such a time and saw that." Thats what scientists mean when they say that science is empiracal -- it's based on observation.

Origins, on the other hand, is almost entirely speculation. We have shreds of evidence, and we can try to figure out why such and such is the way it is, but until we can observe, analyze, and duplicate the beginning, it is necessarily speculative. On either side.

As to your specific question, is it not reasonable that if there is an all-powerful Deity creating stuff, He can have created the beams of light speeding their way through the universe? By the time he created the stars, He had created light, according to the Genesis account. So there's no reason why its irrational to say, "yeah, God created the stars so that we can see them."

Science cannot prove Creation. These "Creation-scientists" fail to understand that. But, similarly, science cannot prove evolution. It never will be able to, short of a time machine because the creation of the universe and the creation of the earth are not repeatable, observable events.

As for my credentials, what would I have to do? Post Recite Schodinger's equation? give an organic chem mechanism? Show you a pchem lab writeup for FTIR analysis of the rotational spectra of hydrochloric and deuterochloric acid? I can do all of these, if it comes down it.

[CARepubGal]

Child, digging up native American sacred sites makes you a thief of time. :Yawn: And I doubt the scut workers get a PhD (although the title Piled High and Deep applies to you quite well). So are you a day laborer ?

[CARepubGal]

ROFLOL! Is this Utter Depravity in action or what?