Cardinal Arinze will not call for wider use of the Tridentine rite (my title)

Inside The Vatican ^ | Oct. 24, 2003 | Robert Moynihan

[Dajjal]

This is an exerpt from Robert Moynihan's column "An October Week in Rome:"

However, I learned this: Cardinal Francis Arinze, head of the congregation which handles liturgical matters, told me that a document on the Mass that his office, along with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, is now preparing, will not call for wider use of the Tridentine rite, but only for more use of Latin in celebrations of the new rite. He said I had misunderstood him when I reported after talking with him in May that the new document would call for wider use of the Tridentine rite. Because of my report, many people would be disappointed when the new document comes out and does not address the Tridentine rite at all, but only the more solemn celebration of the new rite, he said. (The document is now expected sometime this winter.)

[Dajjal]

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[Dajjal]

Please revise my title, adding the words:

says new liturgy document

after Cardinal Arinze's name, so that the revised title will read:

Cardinal Arinze says new liturgy document will not call for wider use of the Tridentine rite (my title)

The cardinal is really telling Moynihan that this particular upcoming document will not discuss the Tridentine rite at all (as Moynihan had previously reported it would) -- not what his personal opinion is on the matter.

Thanks!

[Land of the Irish]

Disappointing but not surprising news. Another trial balloon set aloft by conservatives in Rome is punctured by darts from the "New Order" prelates.

Why do they fear Tradition?

[JNB]

If it calls for more Latin celebrations of the Novus Ordo as done the way St Agnes, Assumption Grotto and Bropton Oratory do them, then I am all for it.

[american colleen]

I think that's what he means... this was pretty evident in his "World OVer Live" interview about a month ago.

[JNB]

On a scale of 1 to 10, TRidentine mass being a 1 and a typical suburban Novus Ordo being a 10, a Novus Ordo in Laton, in terms of similarity to the Tridentine mass, done the way the parish' I mentioned do them would be a 2.

[american colleen]

I don't know what parishes you are talking about but Arinze was clear that no documents of Vat II prohibited Latin (which seems to be the prevailing thought) - in fact, Latin was supposed to be kept in quite a number of places. My perception of Arinze's idea of a Novus Ordo Mass would be what you see on EWTN.

Arinze is all for a wide and generous application of the Trindentine Mass and openly encourages the AmBishops to pay attention to the laity - but he says that people have to request it and there are some who use the Mass for political reasons (I am paraphrasing) thereby hurting the cause. --- I guess you could say that on both "sides", come to think of it.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

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[JNB]

St Agnes is a nationally known parish in St. Paul MN, a parish that is completely unrennovated, they do not even have a altar table, you can see more information at www.stagnes.net .

The parish as much as some may hate this is really a sign of the future, since half of the St Paul Archdiocese' seminarians come from this parish.

[american colleen]

The parish as much as some may hate this is really a sign of the future, since half of the St Paul Archdiocese' seminarians come from this parish.

Another important and unexplained issue I am sure the priests and bishops are going to discuss... ;-)

[american colleen]

Nice parish! I just checked out the webpage. It's weird... our only "untouched" parish here in the Arch of Boston was built by German immigrants as well.

[sinkspur]

The parish as much as some may hate this is really a sign of the future, since half of the St Paul Archdiocese' seminarians come from this parish.

It's not, JNB. New churches will continue to be built in the semi-round, or traditionally, with rows of pews, with an altar table.

This is a traditional church that continues to carry much of the traditional trappings. There is little demand for Latin Masses, even for the Latin Novus Ordo Masses.

How many parishes in the diocese of Minneapolis-St. Paul feature a Latin Novus Ordo?

[american colleen]

I took that post to mean that the parish and its liturgy is a sign of the future because the vast majority of the diocese's seminarians come from it --- not that the design of it is necessarily the sign of the future --- but maybe the two go hand in hand, who knows ;-)

[k omalley]

The Cathedral of St. Matthew the Apostle in Washington, DC also does a very beautiful high Latin N.O. Mass.

[JNB]

The rubrics are almost indetical, the core prayers, being the Confetior and the Roman Canon in Latin are basiclaly the same as teh Tridentine rite. The paryers in Latin Novus Ordo do not have the translation issues that the ones in English have.

[JNB]

The future clergy sinkspur will be directing much of the restoration, basiclaly the opposite of how the Vatican II era clergy directed most of the "reforms". Like the Anglican use parish that according to B Chan has 3 men in the seminary in your diocese, traditional leaning parish are rich with vocations that will influence the future of the church. As I asked last night Deacon, how many men does your parish currently have in the seminary?

[JNB]

I have seen the pics of that Cathedral, the communion rail there even has gates still, most impressive, though I doubt they are used still, but at least they are still there.

[JNB]

All one needs to do is build parish' in a traditional manner, with a altar table in front of the tabernacle, when the push towrds the restoration becomes stronger, the removal of the altar table will be even if made of stone a days work at most.