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To: SoothingDave
What do you think God's definition of an eye would be ?

I think a better question is what is your definition of an eye?


Why ask me, ... rather than the Author ?

Jesus' flesh is offered to and is of value to God, not to us.

Yes, it does have value to us. You border on blasphemy. You think Jesus taking on flesh does us no good?


Of course we benefit from the sacrifice, ... but the sacrifice of Jesus, in and of itself, ... does nothing immediate for us. It must be accepted by and acted upon by God.

Take your example of my being paid in cash. That cash is of no real value to feeding us, ... unless I take it and trade it for food.

Consider that our new life does not arise out of Jesus' broken body ... but out of God's Spirit ... just like it is that food that feeds you is not composed from the substance of any money you may have ... but only from the value of your money to a grocer.

Jesus body and blood is solely satisfying to the Father. Satisfied by Jesus' sacrifice, ... God breathes life into our spirits.

OK. Now if you go to work and earn money and give some to your wife to buy groceries, by your logic, you would say that your work profits you nothing. Cause your wife brought the groceries home. Your boss didn't pay you in ground beef and milk.

And I cannot eat what my boss paid me. What my boss paid me must be presented to one who so values what my boss paid me, ... that he/she gives me food in trade for it. Then I may eat.

In this case, He did no such thing. All He said was "my words are very very very important." He never said "it was all a lark."

He said ... "The flesh profits nothing ... it is the spirit which brings life, ... my words are spirit and they are life."

131 posted on 11/04/2003 12:57:55 PM PST by Quester
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To: Quester
Why ask me, ... rather than the Author ?

Cause I'm talking to you.

Of course we benefit from the sacrifice, ... but the sacrifice of Jesus, in and of itself, ... does nothing immediate for us. It must be accepted by and acted upon by God.

Yes, of course. So why are you trying to downplay it? IT does not profit us nothing, it profits the entire everlasting life.

Jesus body and blood is solely satisfying to the Father. Satisfied by Jesus' sacrifice, ... God breathes life into our spirits.

I don't see where you get this from that one verse. The sacrifice is an exchange of gifts, like all sacrifices. We offer to God and He blesses us with His favor. He doesn't do an end around on us, but rather blesses us with what is at hand. We do nto offer Jesus to Him and get credited in some spiritual bank accoutn that then mystically we receive from. No. We receive from God blessing and grace from sharing in the very same sacrifice.

And I cannot eat what my boss paid me. What my boss paid me must be presented to one who so values what my boss paid me, ... that he/she gives me food in trade for it. Then I may eat.

Exactly. It's amazing how your words are so very true, yet yoru position is so very wrong.. The "Food" given in trade is nothing other than the very Victim Himself, who is our Spiritual nourishment.

None of this means it is a metaphor.

He said ... "The flesh profits nothing ... it is the spirit which brings life, ... my words are spirit and they are life."

Yes, exactly. I just wish you would think about what this actually says. The flesh, our flesh, our worldly body profits nothing from the exchange. It is our spirit, our eternal part that profits from eating and drinking Jesus. His words are what give us our very life. So we should do what He says, and believe it.

Jesus is not saying that His flesh is worthless.

SD

133 posted on 11/04/2003 1:08:49 PM PST by SoothingDave
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