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10. This is the only Church OF WHICH NO ONE MEMBER CAN PERISH. Once enrolled in the lists of this Church, sinners are safe for eternity; they are never cast away. The election of God the Father, the continual intercession of God the Son, the daily renewing and sanctifying power of God the Holy Ghost, surround and fence them in like a garden enclosed. Not one bone of Christ's mystical Body shall ever be broken; not one lamb of Christ's flock shall ever be plucked out of His hand.

How do we reconcile this doctrine of the "true Church" with Christ's description of the "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 13, where we see that the Kingdom (i.e. the Church) is a field containing both wheat and tares, a net containing good fish and bad? It seems that what Christ has in mind for the "true Church" is one which (before the Last Judgement anyway) contains the saved AND those to be damned.

60 posted on 11/04/2003 9:47:45 AM PST by Claud
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It seems that what Christ has in mind for the "true Church" is one which (before the Last Judgement anyway) contains the saved AND those to be damned.

And Matt. 7:21-23. He never knew them so the workers of inequity had to go.

Maybe the "true Church" is in your mirror...

75 posted on 11/04/2003 10:25:33 AM PST by Ff--150 (we have been fed with milk, not meat)
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How do we reconcile this doctrine of the "true Church" with Christ's description of the "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 13, where we see that the Kingdom (i.e. the Church) is a field containing both wheat and tares, a net containing good fish and bad? It seems that what Christ has in mind for the "true Church" is one which (before the Last Judgement anyway) contains the saved AND those to be damned.

Scripture never says the Kingdom of Heaven is "the church"

However that aside some read that verse as the unsaved in the church (that would be the work for your salvation group ,the goats) Same with a catch of fish...Lots of folks planning on making Jesus unnecessary will be thrown back

Mat 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Luk 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

1) royal power, kingship, dominion, rule

Kingdom

a) not to be confused with an actual kingdom but rather the right or authority to rule over a kingdom b) of the royal power of Jesus as the triumphant Messiah c) of the royal power and dignity conferred on Christians in the Messiah's kingdom 2) a kingdom, the territory subject to the rule of a king 3) used in the N.T. to refer to the reign of the Messiah

Heaven

1) the vaulted expanse of the sky with all things visible in it a) the universe, the world b) the aerial heavens or sky, the region where the clouds and the tempests gather, and where thunder and lightning are produced c) the sidereal or starry heavens 2) the region above the sidereal heavens, the seat of order of things eternal and consummately perfect where God dwells and other heavenly beings

Those Parables are about the sorting out of the visible church at the end of time

130 posted on 11/04/2003 12:48:02 PM PST by RnMomof7
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