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Fatima to Become Interfaith Shrine? An Account From One Who Was There
Fatima.org ^ | November, 2003 | John Vennari

Posted on 11/15/2003 2:49:36 PM PST by Land of the Irish

Fatima to Become Interfaith Shrine?

An Account From One Who Was There

by John Vennari

        From October 10-12, 2003, a pan-religious conference was held at Fatima entitled "The Present of Man – the Future of God: The Place of Sanctuaries in the Relation to the Sacred". It was held at the Paul VI Pastoral Center adjacent to the Fatima Shrine in Portugal. I traveled to Fatima to cover the Congress and attended the three-day event. It contained some of the most explicit heresy I have ever encountered.

        It described itself as a "Scientific" Congress, which is not the word we would use for it in North America. Here, we would label it an "Academic" Congress. In any case, the Congress comprised modern theologians and clergymen discussing the importance of religious sanctuaries – any sanctuary, be it Catholic, Buddhist or Hindu.

        The first two days contained numerous speeches from Catholics only, including the Bishop of Leiria-Fatima, D. Serafim de Sousa Ferreira e Silva; the Cardinal Patriarch of Lisbon, Jose da Cruz Policarpo; the notorious "interfaith theologian", Father Jacques Dupuis; and various other Ph.D.’s from Portugal.

        On Sunday, in sessions presided over by Archbishop Michael J. Fitzgerald, Prefect of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, representatives from the world religions — including Buddhist, Hindu, Islam, Orthodox, Anglican and Catholic — gave testimony to the importance of "sanctuary" in their religious traditions.

        Later, the Portuguese press published that the aim of this Congress was to establish Fatima as an interfaith Shrine.

The Sunday morning interreligious session presided over by Archbishop Fitzgerald. Here he sits with a Buddhist, a Hindu and a Muslim.

The Ecumenical Congress

        The theme of "Sanctuary" for this Congress reflects the lowest-common-denominator ecumenism prevalent for the past forty years. It is an approach that plays down doctrinal differences in the various religions and emphasizes "what we have in common".

        What do all religions have in common? They all believe in some sort of "God", so we can organize an ecumenical symposium and talk about the various aspects of "God". All religions believe in prayer, so we can have a pan-religious get-together where we can all "share" about prayer. All religions have sanctuaries, so we can hold an interfaith Congress where we talk about the importance of Sanctuaries in the various religious traditions. Thus, "Sanctuary", within the pan-religious perspective, was the focus of the latest Congress at Fatima.

        Anathema at these Congresses is any recognition of the fact that the Catholic Church is the one true religion established and willed by God, and that all other religions are false, man-made systems whose adherents believe in false gods. As such, these religions constitute an objective mortal sin against the First Commandment: "I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have strange gods before Me." The false gods of Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam are "strange gods" that the First Commandment forbids all of mankind to worship.

        This applies also to Protestantism, since Protestants believe in a Christ who never existed. They believe in a Christ who did not establish a Church to teach, govern and sanctify all men. They believe in a Christ who did not establish a Papacy. They believe in a Christ who does not want us to honor His Holy Mother Mary. (And we know from the Fatima Message that God wants to establish in the world devotion to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart). They believe in a Christ who did not establish seven Sacraments as the primary means of grace for salvation. They believe in a Christ who did not establish the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. In short, Protestants worship a false Christ, that is, a false God. This is why Blessed Pope Pius IX taught in his 1864 Syllabus that it is an error to believe that "Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion."[1]

        Thus, in the objective order, it is impossible for any non-Catholic, no matter how well-meaning, to obey the First Commandment.[2] We can thus understand why the Council of Trent spoke infallibly that without the Catholic Faith, "it is impossible to please God".

        This traditional, true Catholic doctrine is discarded at these interfaith events, and in ecumenical practice in general. Conversely, the new ecumenical theology says that members of all religions are part of the "Reign of God", and are "equal partners in dialogue". The Catholic religion may possess the "fullness of truth", but all other religions are part of God’s plan as well. This, particularly, is the thesis of the modernist theologian Father Jacques Dupuis, who spoke at the Congress on Saturday afternoon.

Poster containing logo of Congress.

Friday’s Sessions

        At first, I was skeptical of whether I could give a fair assessment of the Congress. The speeches were delivered in Portuguese, a language I do not speak. The Congress provided simultaneous translation into English, but the English translators were not very good. One man doing translations was practically worthless. I could tell I was getting from him one-sentence summaries of entire paragraphs from the speakers’ texts, and not very intelligible sentences at that. Luckily, two of the most important talks were delivered in English.

        From what I could gather from the Portuguese speakers, they talked about "Sanctuary" in general terms in trendy New-Church language: "Sanctuary is an altar of purification and promise", a "place of refuge in the face of temptation to pleasure and power". "Sanctuary" is part of the "mystery" in the "search for holiness, incarnation and transcendence". Keep in mind, the speakers refer here to the religious sanctuaries of all religions, whether they be Shrines of Our Lady or pagan temples.

        One would think that a Fatima Congress on Sanctuary would contain at least one lecture on the Fatima Sanctuary. Nothing. Fatima was only brought up incidentally, and every great once in a while. The Fatima Message, or even the history of how the Fatima Shrine came to be, received no spotlight. The Rosary, the Immaculate Heart, the vision of hell, the Five First Saturdays, Reparation for Sin, all constitutive elements of the Fatima Message, received no mention at all.

        On Friday, we received lectures that dealt with the "Pastoral/Scientific Nature of Sanctuary". We were told, "What happens in the Shrine is an expression of the people of God in motion." One professor quoted glowingly the modernist Father Edward Schillebeeckx’s bizarre statement: "the history of salvation is not necessarily the history of revelation". Another speaker spoke of Fatima, Mecca and Kyoto in the same breath, thus placing the true Church of Christ on the same level with false creeds; and placing the true revelations of Our Lady of Fatima – an event verified by the Miracle of the Sun before 70,000 people – on the same level with the fables and superstitions of false religions. This is a mockery of the true God and a blasphemy against Our Lady of Fatima.[3]

At this Fatima Congress, Father Jacques Dupuis openly scorns defined Church dogma.

Father Dupuis

        As mentioned, two of the most important presentations were delivered in English: the ecumenical Father Jacques Dupuis on Saturday, and a brief address by Archbishop Michael J. Fitzgerald on Sunday. These I understood perfectly, and was horrified by what was said.

        As some readers may be aware, I have covered a number of these post-Conciliar conferences including New Evangelization Seminars, Rock’n’Roll World Youth Days, screaming Charismatic meetings, and evenings of Jewish-Catholic dialogue.[4] Yet the most explicit heresy I have ever heard at any of these events came from the mouth of the Belgian Jesuit Father Jacques Dupuis, only a few hundred yards from where Our Lady of Fatima appeared.

        Father Jacques Dupuis is a progressivist, ecumenical theologian who entered the Jesuits in 1941. At this Congress, he propounded his thesis that all religions are positively willed by God. He told us that we should not refer to the other religions as "non-Christian", since this is a negative term that describes them "by what we think they are not". Rather, he said, we should refer to them as "the others".

        He trashes the truth that there is only one true Church, outside of which there is no salvation, despite the fact that this teaching was infallibly defined three times. The most forceful and explicit definition of "outside the Church there is no salvation" was pronounced de fide from the Council of Florence:

"The Most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, heretics, and schismatics can ever be partakers of eternal life, but that they are to go into the eternal fire ‘which was prepared for the devil and his angels,’ (Mt. 25:41) unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this Ecclesiastical Body, that only those remaining within this unity can profit from the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and that they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, almsdeeds, and other works of Christian piety and duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church."[5]

        As Catholics know, whenever the true Church established by Christ — the Catholic Church — teaches a solemn, de fide declaration, it is stating infallibly that the doctrine defined is a truth revealed by God "Who can neither deceive nor be deceived." A Catholic must believe all of these defined truths for salvation. To deny an infallible dogma of the Church is to call God a liar, telling Him that what He revealed to us is not true.[6]

        Saint Louis de Montfort, faithful to this revealed truth, teaches, "There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. Anyone who resists this Truth perishes."[7] Likewise, Saint Alphonsus Liguori, Doctor of the Church, reaffirms, "The Holy, Roman, Catholic, and Apostolic Church is the only true Church, outside the pale of which no one can be saved."[8]

        Yet Father Dupuis, at the recent Fatima Congress, openly showered contempt on this defined truth and on the teaching of the Saints and Doctors of the Church. On the point of "outside the Church there is no salvation", Father Dupuis said in disgust, "There is no need to invoke here that horrible text from the Council of Florence in 1442". I heard this with my own ears and I recorded it on tape.

        Thus, Father Dupuis told the audience that an infallible definition of the Catholic Church is wrong, and that the Divine Revelation of God is a lie.

        This is the most explicit heresy I have ever encountered at one of these post-Conciliar conferences. Usually the speakers dance around the dogma they deny, but not Father Dupuis. No, he says openly that a defined Catholic doctrine is a "horrible text" that must be rejected.

        Now, how did those at the conference react to Father Dupuis’ audacity? With grand applause at the end of his speech.

        Most disturbing is the fact that the room contained the "top-brass" of the Portuguese hierarchy, all thrilled with Dupuis’ apostasy.

        Seated directly to my left was the Fatima Shrine Rector Monsignor Luciano Guerra, who applauded Father Dupuis’ speech. (I captured this on film, see photo). Seated directly to my right was the Apostolic Delegate of Portugal, that is, the papal representative for Portugal, who also applauded Dupuis. Joining in the applause was the Bishop of Leiria-Fatima, D. Serafim de Sousa Ferreira e Silva, who still refuses to allow an "Indult" Tridentine Mass in his diocese.

Msgr. Luciano Guerra, the Fatima Shrine Rector, applauding Dupuis' heresy.

        During the applause, I could not see the Cardinal Patriarch of Lisbon from my seat. But it is certain that he agrees with Dupuis’ ecumenical thesis. Later the same day, a small group of young traditional Catholics questioned the Cardinal about the new interreligious orientation. A youth quoted to the Cardinal a passage from the book of Sister Lucy, Calls from the Message of Fatima, where she faithfully explained the First Commandment. The Cardinal responded, "Sister Lucy is no longer a point of reference today since we have such a good one in the Second Vatican Council".[9] In other words, the Cardinal says that Vatican II’s new ecumenical teaching eclipses the traditional Catholic teaching on the First Commandment, which forbids the worship of false Gods, as reflected in the writings of Sister Lucy.

        For years, concerned Catholics have said that the reason Fatima is now downplayed and eclipsed is because the new ecumenical religion of Vatican II has replaced it.[10] I am grateful that the Cardinal abandoned all pretense and admitted this disgrace outright. It explains why the present ecumenical hierarchy falsely consider Fatima to be of little importance.

        At the Congress, Father Dupuis also said that the purpose of dialogue is not to convert the non-Catholic but rather to help "the Christian to become a better Christian, and the Hindu a better Hindu".

        Father Dupuis further lectured that "Christians and ‘the others’ are co-members of the Reign of God in history". He also said that "the Holy Spirit is present and operative in the sacred books of Hinduism or of Buddhism. That He is present and operative in the sacred rites of Hinduism". Thus, according to Dupuis, the Holy Ghost is active and present in the "sacred rites" and "sacred books" of false religions. No wonder a prominent ecumenical Catholic kissed the Koran.

        A more detailed exposition of Father Dupuis’ apostate lecture will appear in a future installment. For now, I want to re-emphasize that the Congress delegates — including the Cardinal of Lisbon, the Bishop of Fatima, and the Rector of the Fatima Shrine — applauded Dupuis as magnificent. Worse still, the next day, Archbishop Michael Fitzgerald, head of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, told the Congress "Father Dupuis yesterday explained the theological basis of the establishment of relations with people of other religions." In other words, Archbishop Fitzgerald praised Father Dupuis’ heresies.

        Archbishop Fitzgerald said further that he agreed with Father Dupuis that "the unity with God is not confined to the people who belong to the Church". The Church, according to this new union, should not proselytize. Nor is the purpose of dialogue to "convert" the "other" to Catholicism. This is pointless, since members of all religions, according to Dupuis, are already part of the "Reign of God". Rather, "the Church" says Fitzgerald, "is there to recognize the holiness that is in other people, the elements of truth, grace and beauty that are in different religions," and "to try to bring about a greater peace and harmony among people of other religions". Perhaps this Congress should have been called, "Fatima Meets the Age of Aquarius".

Archbishop Fitzgerald

Catholic Truth vs. the New Religion

        Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of the Catholic Faith knows that the interfaith religion promoted at this Fatima Conference is contrary to Catholic teaching and is a blasphemy before God. As mentioned, the Council of Trent defined infallibly that without the Catholic Faith, "it is impossible to please God."[11] The Catholic Church also defined three times ex cathedra that there is only one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church, outside of which there is no salvation.[12] And as Vatican I teaches, not even a Pope can change defined dogma, otherwise dogmatic truths were never true.[13]

        Blessed Pope Pius IX reiterated the truth "outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation" while combating the growing "Liberal Catholicism" of his day. He said:

"We must mention and condemn again that most pernicious error which has been imbibed by certain Catholics who are of the opinion that those people who live in error and have not the true faith and are separated from Catholic unity, may obtain life everlasting. Now this opinion is most contrary to the Catholic faith, as is evident from the plain words of Our Lord, (Matt 18:17; Mark 16:16; Luke 10:16; John 3:18) as also from the words of Saint Paul (2 Tit. 3:11) and of Saint Peter (2 Peter 2:1). To entertain opinions contrary to this Catholic faith is to be an impious wretch."[14]

        Pope Leo XIII, elaborating the same doctrine, taught, "since no one is allowed to be remiss in the service due to God ... we are bound absolutely to worship God in that way which He has shown to be His will ... It cannot be difficult to find out which is the true religion if it only be sought with an earnest and unbiased mind; for proofs are abundant and striking . . . From all these [proofs] it is evident that the only true religion is the one established by Jesus Christ Himself, and which He committed to His Church to protect and propagate."[15]

        Likewise, Pope Pius XII restated this doctrine within the context of a prayer to the Blessed Virgin:

"O Mary, Mother of Mercy and Seat of Wisdom! Enlighten the minds enfolded in the darkness of ignorance and sin, that they may clearly recognize the Holy, Catholic, Apostolic, Roman Church to be the only true Church of Jesus Christ, outside which neither sanctity nor salvation can be found."[16]

        From these sources, and from countless other magisterial teachings, it is clear that the only religion positively willed by God, the only religion in which "sanctity and salvation can be found" is the Holy Catholic Church established by Christ.

        Sacred Scripture likewise teaches infallibly that false religions are not pleasing to God, and the greatest charity we can show "the others" is to work and pray for their conversion to the one true Church of Christ. Our Lord commanded His disciples, "Go forth and teach", not "Go forth and dialogue". He said, "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost." (Matt: 28:19). "He who believes and is baptized shall be saved, but he who does not believe shall be condemned.(Mark 15:16).

        The "belief" that Our Lord spoke of does not mean a vague belief in any religion, but express belief in Him and all that He taught. This is why Saint John, the Apostle of Love, said, "Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist who denies the Father and the Son." (1 John 1:22) Thus, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, any religion that rejects Christ, according to Scripture, is an Antichrist religion. Regarding heretical religions, for example, "Orthodoxy" and Protestantism, Saint Paul tells us that false creeds are the "doctrines of devils" (1 Tim. 4:1).

        Contrary to Father Dupuis’ notions, Antichrist religions and false creeds of heretics which are "doctrines of devils," cannot possibly be willed by God. Nor can their members be considered as being part of the "Reign of God".

        Thus, there can not be a new "ecumenical unity" which seeks to unite Catholics with members of false religions in a heretical notion of the "Reign of God". Pope Pius XI rightly taught in his 1928 encyclical against ecumenism, Mortaliam Animos: "Unity can only arise from one teaching authority, one law of belief, one faith of Christians." Likewise, Pope Pius XII taught in his 1949 Instruction on the Ecumenical Movement that "True reunion can only come about by the return of dissidents to the one true Church of Christ (the Catholic Church)."[17]

        But for now, the interfaith heresy rules the hour, and is poised to claim the Shrine at Fatima as its next victim.

Msgr. Guerra, the Fatima Shrine Rector, is seated on the left. Standing next to him is the Bishop of Leiria-Fatima, D. Serafim de Sousa Ferreira e Silva.

Fatima: An Interfaith Shrine?

        At the time, I saw no reports of this "Future of God" Congress in the secular and religious press. Two weeks later, however, the November 1 on-line edition of the Lisbon-based Portugal News published in English an article entitled "Fatima to Become an Interfaith Shrine". The article said, "Delegates attending the Vatican and United Nations inspired annual interfaith congress ‘The Future of God’, held during October in Fatima, heard how the Shrine is to be developed into a center where all the religions of the world will gather to pay homage to their various gods."

        The report quoted the Shrine’s rector, Monsignor Guerra, saying at the Congress that Fatima "will change for the better". Portugal News further quoted Msgr. Guerra: "The future of Fatima, or the adoration of God and His mother at this holy Shrine, must pass through the creation of a shrine where different religions can mingle. The interreligious dialogue in Portugal, and in the Catholic Church, is still in an embryonic phase, but the Shrine of Fatima is not indifferent to this fact and is already open to being a universalistic place of vocation."

        "Monsignor Guerra" said Portugal News, "pointed out that the very fact that Fatima is the name of a Muslim and Mohammed's daughter, is indicative that the Shrine must be open to the co-existence of various faiths and beliefs. According to the Monsignor: ‘Therefore we must assume that it was the will of the Blessed Virgin Mary that this comes about this way.’ Traditional Catholics opposed to the Congress were described by the Monsignor as ‘old fashioned, narrow minded, fanatic extremists and provocateurs’."[18]

        Now, I quote Portugal News on this point because I did not hear Monsignor Guerra make these statements at the Congress. But then again, I might have missed it. Monsignor Guerra spoke in Portuguese, and as I’ve already noted, the simultaneous translation into English was poorly done. Nonetheless, the idea of Fatima becoming an "interfaith" Shrine is consistent with everything I heard throughout that weekend, especially on Sunday when the members of various religions gave their testimony of the importance of "Sanctuaries" in their religious traditions.

        Representatives for this Sunday session included Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, Hindu, Muslim, as well as a Buddhist who invited us to visit the Zenkoji Buddhist Shrine in Japan, and even supplied each of us with a colorful pamphlet of Zenkoji.

        But the testimony of the Catholic proved the most troublesome, and was, perhaps, a portent of what we might soon see at Fatima.

        Father Arul Irudayam, Rector of the Marian Shrine Basilica in Vailankanni, India, initially spoke beautifully about the history of this Shrine where our Lady appeared. The Shrine receives millions of pilgrims a year, including many Hindus.

        Father Irudayam then rejoiced that, as a further development of interreligious practice, the Hindus now perform their religious rituals in the church.

        Of course, the delegates were thrilled to hear that a Catholic church was used for pagan worship, but I was horrified. Sacred Scripture teaches clearly that "the gods of the Gentiles are devils". (Psalm 95:5). And the truth that the gods of Hinduism are devils was confirmed by one of the greatest missionaries of all time, Saint Francis Xavier.

A Buddhist gave everyone present at the Congress a pamphlet inviting us to visit the Buddhist Shrine of Zenkoji.

        While serving his missions, Saint Francis Xavier found particular delight in his small pupils. He was impressed that these young ones showed a great attachment to their faith, and a great zeal to learn the prayers and to teach them to others. The young pupils "also had a great abhorrence for the idolatrous practices of the pagans", in other words, for the practices of Hinduism. The pupils frequently "reproached their father and mother if they engaged in pagan ceremonies and came to tell the priest about it."

        When Saint Francis Xavier heard that "outside the village someone was practicing idolatry, he gathered together all the boys, and this was something which he did later also in the other villages that he visited, and went with them to the spot where the idols had been erected. His pupils smashed the clay figures of the demons to dust and spit and stamped upon them." Saint Francis Xavier’s biographer explains that these children "thus gave more insults to the devil than their parents had shown honor to him."[19]

        Even though this event would send ecumenical clergymen shrieking into the snowbanks, it is clear that Saint Francis Xavier recognized rightly that "the gods of the Gentiles are devils", that is, the "gods" of Hinduism. Now, however, these "devils" are worshiped in the Vailankanni Shrine of Our Lady in India. The Fatima Shrine Rector, as did all the Conference delegates, applauded the speech wherein the Indian priest related the practice of Hinduism in the Catholic Sanctuary.

        It is fair to conclude that if Catholics do not organize and protest, it is only a matter of time before this blasphemy takes place at Fatima, especially since plans are underway for a new, modern Fatima Shrine to be built.

        The Portugal News reported "The Shrine of Fatima is about to undergo a complete reconstruction with a new stadium-like basilica being erected close to the existing one built in 1921."[20] About a year ago, I saw a picture of the proposed building. It is a hideous modern monstrosity that looks like a futuristic airplane hangar.

        In the face of the proposed desecration of Our Lady’s apparition site at Fatima, a worldwide protest must be mounted. Absolutely no money should be donated to the Fatima Shrine in Portugal until the present Rector is removed and the invasion of the ecumenical religion at Fatima ceases. The new Shrine, if completed, will display ugliness from the outside, reflected in the hideous modern architecture, and ugliness on the inside, not only in the futuristic interior, but also in the pagan practices that might be allowed to take place in the very area sanctified by Our Lady’s appearances; the very area where the Miracle of the Sun took place, and where countless pilgrims were cured and converted.

Saturday afternoon at the Congress.

Chastisement

        The new ecumenical religion propounded at Fatima threatens the salvation of countless souls, as it tells non-Catholics to remain in the darkness of their false religions. It also threatens to bring with it a great chastisement.

        In the early 20th Century, the eminent European churchman Cardinal Mercier, citing the consistent teaching of the Popes, stated the First World War was actually a punishment for the crime of nations placing the one True Religion on the same level as false creeds (as does the ecumenical religion promoted at Fatima Congress). Cardinal Mercier said:

"In the name of the Gospel, and in the light of the Encyclicals of the last four Popes, Gregory XVI, Pius IX, Leo XIII, and Pius X, I do not hesitate to affirm that this indifference to religions which puts on the same level the religion of divine origin and the religions invented by men in order to include them in the same scepticism is the blasphemy which calls down chastisement on society far more than the sins of individuals and families."[21]

        What would Cardinal Mercier, and the Popes cited by him, say of this new attempt to bring about a "peace and harmony of religions", wherein Catholic Churchmen place the one true religion as an "equal partner" with false religions and pagan creeds? How will God react to this "blasphemy which calls down chastisement on society"? What sort of punishment will Heaven unleash when the land of Fatima, sanctified by Our Lady’s presence, and the Shrine that is consecrated to Her, is allowed by Catholic leaders to be desecrated with the worship of false gods? In the face of this, Catholics must not be complacent.

        Most disturbing of all, the new ecumenical religion, trumpeted at this Fatima Congress, is actually the religion of Freemasonry. The French Freemason Yves Marsaudon wrote approvingly:

"One can say that ecumenism is the legitimate son of Freemasonry ... In our times, our brother Franklin Roosevelt claimed for all of them the possibility of ‘adoring God, following their principles and their convictions.’ This is tolerance, and it is also ecumenism. We traditional Freemasons allow ourselves to paraphrase and transpose this saying of a celebrated statesman, adapting it to circumstances: Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants, Israelites, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, freethinkers, free-believers, to us, these are only first names; Freemasonry is the name of our family."[22]

        This Freemasonic religion is now promoted in Fatima. I heard it coming from the mouth of the soft-spoken Father Jacques Dupuis. Yet Dupuis’ words were a sugar-coated masonic doctrine from the underworld. It was Pope Pius VIII who rightly said of Freemasons, "their god is the devil".[23]

        Yet it should not surprise us that consecrated souls have come under the power of the devil. Sister Lucy predicted it over 40 years ago.

The Cardinal Patriarch of Lisbon, Jose da Cruz Policarpo, being interviewed by the Press.

Lucy’s Warning

        In her 1957 interview with Father Fuentes, Sister Lucy made the prophetic warning:

"Father, the devil is in the mood for engaging in a decisive battle against the Blessed Virgin. And the devil knows what it is that most offends God and which in a short space of time will gain for him the greatest number of souls. Thus the devil does everything to overcome souls consecrated to God because in this way the devil will succeed in leaving the souls of the faithful abandoned by their leaders, thereby the more easily will he seize them."

        Sister Lucy continues,

"That which afflicts the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the Heart of Jesus is the fall of religious and priestly souls. The devil knows that religious and priests who fall away from their beautiful vocation drag numerous souls to hell ... The devil wishes to take possession of consecrated souls. He tries to corrupt them in order to lull to sleep the souls of laypeople and thereby lead them to final impenitence..."[24]

        Sister Lucy’s prophetic words unfold before our eyes at the pan-religious Fatima Congress. Here we see the devil "overcome souls" who are consecrated to God. We see priests, religious, bishops, who have "fallen away from their beautiful vocation" of teaching the truths of the Catholic Faith, and who "drag numerous souls to hell" by their perverse, ecumenical teaching.

        The Cardinal of Lisbon, the Bishop of Fatima, and the Shrine Rector all swore the Oath Against Modernism upon their ordination.[25] An Oath before God is a sacred act, and to betray such an Oath is a mortal sin against the Second Commandment, "Thou Shalt Not Take the Name of the Lord Thy God in Vain." Yet those at the Fatima Congress betrayed this Oath by promoting a new modernist religion that claims that the Catholic truths of yesterday must not be the Catholic "truths" of today. As Msgr. Fenton pointed out decades ago, "The man who taught or in any way aided in the dissemination or the protection of Modernist teaching" after taking the Oath Against Modernism, "would mark himself, not only as a sinner against the Catholic Faith, but also as a common perjurer".[26]

        We can conclude that Father Jacques Dupuis, Cardinal Jose da Cruz Policarpo of Lisbon, Bishop Serafim de Sousa Ferreira e Silva of Fatima-Leiria, and Fatima Shrine Rector Monsignor Guerra have promoted Modernism and are therefore sinners against the Catholic Faith and also common perjurers. It is a crime against God and justice that these men should hold authority in the land of Portugal where Our Blessed Mother appeared.

        In the mid 1990's, on a Mexican radio station, the Rector of the Shrine of Guadalupe denied the truth that Our Lady of Guadalupe appeared at Tepayac Hill. The people of Mexico were outraged and protested against the audacity. Within a year, the Shrine Rector was gone.[27] The same must be done at Fatima.

        Catholics around the world must unite and protest the outrage that was allowed, and will continue, to be perpetuated against the Catholic Faith and the Mother of God.

        We must also unite in prayers of reparation for the blasphemies spoken against the one true Catholic Church of Jesus Christ, whose Mother came to Fatima with a message for mankind, a Mother now betrayed by Churchmen in high place, and most especially, by members of the present hierarchy of Portugal.

The Paul VI Pastoral Center, adjacent to the Fatima Shrine, where the pan-religious Congress was held.

Notes:

1. Pope Pius IX, Syllabus of Errors, 1864, Condemned Proposition #18. Popes Against Modern Errors: 16 Papal Documents, (Rockford: Tan, 1999), p. 30.

2. In 1944, the eminent theologian Father Francis Connell, basing himself on the consistent teaching of the Popes, reminded Catholics that they have a duty of charity to tell the non-Catholic that he is in great danger of losing his soul if he remains in his false religion. He said, "Far from minimizing the exclusiveness of the Catholic religion, our people should be instructed unhesitatingly, whenever the occasion offers, and to let non-Catholics know that we consider them as deprived of the ordinary means of salvation, however excellent their intentions." Quoted from Father Francis Connell, C.Ss.R., "Communication with Non-Catholics in Sacred Rites, American Ecclesiastical Review, Sept., 1944.

3. Our Lady of Fatima asked specifically for the Five First Saturdays of reparation for the blasphemies against Her Immaculate Heart that are the fruit of these false religions. See "A World View Based On Fatima", The Fatima Crusader, Issue 64, Summer, 2000. On-line at http://www.fatima.org/library/cr64pg15.html

4. These were published in Catholic Family News.

5. Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Feb. 4, 1442.

6. See The Source of Catholic Dogma, Ludwig Ott (first printed in 1960, reprinted by Tan Books, Rockford, IL), p. 4-6.

7. Cited from Hail Mary, Full of Grace, Still River, MA, 1957, p. 107. We could also quote Saint Francis of Assisi, who stated firmly, "All who have not believed that Jesus Christ was really the Son of God are doomed.  Also all who see the Sacrament of the Body of Christ and do not believe it is really the most holy Body and Blood of the Lord ... these also are doomed!". Quoted from Admonitio prima de Corpore Christi (Quaracchi edition, p. 4), cited from Johannes Jorgensen, St. Francis of Assisi, (New York: Longmans, Green and Co., 1912), p. 55.

8. Instructions on the Commandments and Sacraments. It should also be noted that Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton, the former editor of The American Ecclesiastical Review, and one of most eminent theologians of the 20th Century, warned that the doctrine "outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation" is one of the key dogmas denied in our time. In 1958, four years before Vatican II, Msgr. Fenton wrote, "In every age of the Church there has been one portion of Christian doctrine which men have been especially tempted to misconstrue or to deny. In our own times, it is the part of Catholic truth which was brought out with a special force and clarity by St. Peter in his first missionary sermon in Jerusalem. It is somewhat unfashionable today to insist, as St. Peter did, that those who are outside the true Church of Christ stand in need of being saved by leaving their own positions and entering the ecclesia. Nevertheless, this remains a part of God’s own revealed message." (See Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton, The Catholic Church and Salvation, Newman Press, 1958, p. 145.)

9. Documentation Information Catholique Internationale (DICI), November 3, 2003.

10. See "It Doesn’t Add Up", John Vennari, especially the final heading, "Don’t Rain on My Charade", The Fatima Crusader, Issue #70, Spring 2002. On-line at http://www.fatima.org/library/cr70pg12.htm

11. Session V on Original Sin. See Denzinger #787.

12. See text from the Council of Florence quoted earlier.

13. "The Holy Spirit was not promised to the successor of Peter that by the revelation of the Holy Spirit they might disclose new doctrine, but that by His help they might guard sacredly the revelation transmitted through the Apostles and the deposit of Faith, and might faithfully set it forth." Vatican I, Session III, Chap. IV, Dei Filius. The eminent theologian Msgr. Fenton employs this text to explain that "Catholic dogma is immutable ... the same identical truths are always presented to the people as having been revealed by God. Their meaning never changes.", We Stand With Christ, Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton, (Bruce, 1942) p. 2.

14. Quoted from The Catholic Dogma by Father Michael Muller (Benzinger Brothers, 1888), p. xi. Emphasis added.

15. Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Letter, Immortale Dei, cited from The Kingship of Christ and Organized Naturalism by Father Denis Fahey (Regina Publications, Dublin, 1943), pp. 7-8.

16. The Raccolta, Benzinger Brothers, Boston, 1957, No. 626 (Emphasis added).

17. Instructio (The Instruction from the Holy Office on the Ecumenical Movement, Dec. 20, 1949). Entire English translation published in The Tablet (London), March 4, 1950.

18. Portugal News, On-line edition, November 1, 2003.

19. Francis Xavier, His Life and Times, Volume II, India, 1541-1545, George Schurhammer, S.J. (English translation copyrighted 1963. Published by the Jesuit Historical Institute, Rome, 1977), p. 310.

20. This, perhaps, may be a typographical error in Portugal News. The small Capelinha was built in 1921. The present Fatima Shrine Basilica was built in 1951.

21. Cardinal Mercier’s Pastoral Letter, 1918, The Lesson of Events. Cited from The Kingship of Christ and Organized Naturalism by Father Denis Fahey (Dublin: Regina Publications, 1943), p. 36.

22. Yves Marsaudon, Oecumènisme vu par un Maçon de Tradition (pp. 119-120). English translation cited from Peter Lovest Thou Me? (Instauratio Press, 1988), p. 170. Except for the first line "One can say ..." which was translated into English by S.M. Rini.

23. Pope Pius VIII, quoted from Papacy and Freemasonry by Msgr. Jouin.

24. Fatima in Twilight, Mark Fellows, (Niagara Falls: Marmion, 2003), p. 145.

25. All priests had to take this Oath against Modernism until, tragically, it was abolished by Paul VI in 1967. It appears that all the priests I mentioned here were ordained before 1967. But even if a priest does not swear an Oath Against Modernism, he is still prohibited from promoting Modernism, or any heresy. It is still against the Catholic Faith to do so.

26. "Sacrorum Antistitum and the Background of the Oath Against Modernism," Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton, The American Ecclesiastical Review, October, 1960, pp. 259-260.

27. See Fatima Priest,Francis Alban, (Pound Ridge: Good Counsel Publications, 1997), Chapter 14, p. 160 (2nd edition).


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1 posted on 11/15/2003 2:49:37 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: Akron Al; Alberta's Child; Andrew65; AniGrrl; Antoninus; apologia_pro_vita_sua; BBarcaro; ...
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2 posted on 11/15/2003 2:54:31 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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Good post, thanks.
3 posted on 11/15/2003 3:17:26 PM PST by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: Land of the Irish
This scares the crap out of me.
4 posted on 11/15/2003 3:52:52 PM PST by netmilsmom ( We are SITCOMs-single income, two kids, oppressive mortgage.)
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To: Land of the Irish
Nothing I can add to this amazing description except that sadly it is no surprise and tracks all that I have seen in Europe. Maybe it is more surprising how much people are willing to swallow to adhere to such twists of our Faith.
5 posted on 11/15/2003 6:13:54 PM PST by 8mmMauser (Ora pro nobis peccatoribus)
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To: narses; NYer
This is a ... blasphemy against Our Lady of Fatima.[3]

It bad enough the even occurred at Fatima. But once again a "traditionalist" muddies the waters. Isn't blasphemy the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God?

6 posted on 11/15/2003 7:01:07 PM PST by ckca
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To: Land of the Irish
During the applause, I could not see the Cardinal Patriarch of Lisbon from my seat. But it is certain that he agrees with Dupuis’ ecumenical thesis. ...For now, I want to re-emphasize that the Congress delegates — including the Cardinal of Lisbon, the Bishop of Fatima, and the Rector of the Fatima Shrine — applauded Dupuis as magnificent.

The author contradicts himself here. How can he first say that he didn't see whether the Cardinal applauded the execrable Fr. Dupuis, and then say that he applauded him as "magnificent"?

In addition, he states that the Catholic church is a "new ecumenical religion of Vatican II". He thus rejects the entire Catholic church as a new religion, thus denying any connection between the Church after Vatican II with Sacred Tradition as found in the Church for almost two millenia. As such, he is no different from heretical modernists who want to deny that the Catholic Church is the same Church with the same beliefs before and after the Council. He basically states that the present day Catholic Church is a new religion. This is seriously wrong and erroneous and unjust. The Church cannot be denied that it is proprietary to all of Sacred Tradition in its fullness. Vatican II can only have meaning in light of Tradition and authentic development of doctrine as determined by the Magisterium. This author ought to be ashamed of himself for denying Tradition to the Catholic Church as she exists presently. If the Father Dupuis of this world are apostate, this reporter surely is as well.

In addition, while it is dogma that there is no salvation outside the Church of Christ, it has never been held that only visible members of the Church may reach salvation. The Bible and Tradition state that those who follow God's law written in their heart in good conscience might also be saved, as they might be invisibly joined with the Church. There is a baptism of desire. The Church has rejected Feeneyism. The author of this article appears not to have done so.

All that being said, it does sound that this conference was full of erroneous and dangerous teaching, with some scandalous participation of responsible ecclesiastical hierarchs who should know better. At the very least, such a conference should not have been hosted at a Catholic site. Since Cardinal Ratzinger' Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued Dominus Iesus and has declared against religious syncretism, I would hope that this situation would be watched and that any desecration of the Fatima site with an interfaith shrine would be avoided. However, it is unfortunate that there is so much modernist heresy in the Church, and sometimes it is hard to stop. Just look at how Archbishop Weakland was able to destroy his cathedral before he finally resigned. I praise God that Cardinal Ratzinger issued Dominus Iesus to challenge just this sort of religious indifferentism. This sort of danger is precisely while all orthodox Catholics of good will MUST rally around our Holy Father and all forces for orthodoxy in the Church, rather than continually trying to tear down and destroy the Papacy and legitimate authority as the ultra-traditionalists who frequent Free Republic seem intent on doing.

7 posted on 11/15/2003 7:41:08 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Land of the Irish
Here is what the new Fatima Basilica will look like.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/754657/posts
Another Architectural Assault on Our Lady? : New Church at Fatima
Shrine in Portugal
Ad Orientem | Sept. 16, 2002 | Mark C. N. Sullivan

http://www.meletitiki.gr/projects.htm
Sanctuary of Fatima,
Church of The Most Holy Trinity
Fatima, Portugal
First Prize, international competition by invitation,
Designed by A. N. Tombazis and Associates, Architects
Polydroso - Athens, Greece

8 posted on 11/15/2003 8:44:12 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: ckca
blasphemy
Blas´phe`my
Noun 1. blasphemy - blasphemous language (expressing disrespect for God or for something sacred)
discourtesy, disrespect - an expression of lack of respect
profanity - vulgar or irreverent speech or action
2. blasphemy - blasphemous behavior; the act of depriving something of its sacred character; "desecration of the Holy Sabbath"
desecration, profanation, sacrilege
irreverence, violation - a disrespectful act
9 posted on 11/15/2003 9:09:27 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: ckca
blasphemy [Show phonetics]
noun [C or U]
something which you say or do that shows you do not respect God or a religion

So the Blessed Mother is not in your religion?

10 posted on 11/15/2003 9:14:16 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: ckca; Canticle_of_Deborah; Land of the Irish
But once again a "traditionalist" muddies the waters. Isn't blasphemy the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God?

The "traditionalist" St.Jerome - The apology written in defense of the teaching of the perpetual virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary -

Against Helvidius
"There are things which, in your extreme ignorance, you had never read, and therefore you neglected the whole range of Scripture and employed your madness in outraging the Virgin, like the man in the story who being unknown to everybody and finding that he could devise no good deed by which to gain renown, burned the temple of Diana: and when no one revealed the sacrilegious act, it is said that he himself went up and down proclaiming that he was the man who had applied the fire. The rulers of Ephesus were curious to know what made him do this thing, whereupon he replied that if he could not have fame for good deeds, all men should give him credit for bad ones. Grecian history relates the incident. But you do worse. You have set on fire the temple of the Lord's body, you have defiled the sanctuary of the Holy Spirit from which you are determined to make a team of four brethren and a heap of sisters come forth. In a word, joining in the chorus of the Jews, you say, "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren James, and Joseph, and Simon, and Judas? and his sisters, are they not all with us? The word all would not be used if there were not a crowd of them." Pray tell me, who, before you appeared, was acquainted with this blasphemy?"

It used to be a select few Protestants around here that would protest that you can only "blaspheme" against God. Nice to see the neo-Catholics filling in for them.

11 posted on 11/15/2003 9:32:37 PM PST by Jacinta
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Nice to see the neo-Catholics filling in for them.

Nature abhors a vacuum and fools rush in where eagles dare not perch.

12 posted on 11/15/2003 9:44:23 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: Dajjal
Surely the hideousness of such archtecture is a dead giveaway of the source of its inspiration.
13 posted on 11/16/2003 1:25:36 AM PST by dsc
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To: Dajjal
It looks very musical


i read further up:
that the aim of this Congress was to establish Fatima as an interfaith Shrine.

Dosnt this mean that all the religions involved are in accordance

Since the prophets ancestors kings ^~o~^
are recognized and attested
in the basic books
why is it then so difficult?
14 posted on 11/16/2003 7:14:34 AM PST by icydanger
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To: Land of the Irish
What I found most disturbing, beyond what you have all covered so far, is the quote from the French Freemason Yves Marsaudon: "One can say that ecumenism is the legitimate son of Freemasonry..." and "We traditional Freemasons allow ourselves..."
What is a Traditional Freemason? I personally knew two members of the Scottish Rite and never ever heard these gentlemen refer to themselves as "traditional".
15 posted on 11/16/2003 7:57:59 AM PST by raph
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To: Unam Sanctam
Good post. Mr. Vennari writes for a specific audience and his purpose seems to excite outrage, but if objectivity were a prerequisite for reporting the truth of such events, Mr. Vennari should be considered wholly unreliable.
16 posted on 11/16/2003 8:57:54 AM PST by St.Chuck
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To: Unam Sanctam
I praise God that Cardinal Ratzinger issued Dominus Iesus to challenge just this sort of religious indifferentism.

The Church is on to Fr. Dupuis.

Notification relative to the book of Jacques Dupuis, Toward a Christian Theology of Religious Pluralism Preface

After a preliminary study of the book Toward a Christian Theology of Religious Pluralism (Orbis Book: Maryknoll, New York, 1997) by Father Jacques Dupuis, S.J., the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith decided to proceed to a comprehensive examination of the text by means of its ordinary procedure, in accordance with Chapter 3 of the Regulations for Doctrinal Examination.

It must be emphasized that this text is an introductory reflection on a Christian theology of religious pluralism. It is not simply a theology of religions, but a theology of religious pluralism, which seeks to investigate, in the light of Christian faith, the significance of the plurality of religious traditions in God’s plan for humanity. Aware of the potential problems in this approach, the author does not conceal the possibility that his hypothesis may raise as many questions as it seeks to answer.

Following the doctrinal examination of the book and the outcome of the dialogue with the author, the Bishop and Cardinal Members of the Congregation, in the Ordinary Session of June 30, 1999, evaluated the analysis and the opinions of the Congregation’s Consultors regarding the author’s Responses. The Members of the Congregation recognized the author’s attempt to remain within the limits of orthodoxy in his study of questions hitherto largely unexplored. At the same time, while noting the author’s willingness to provide the necessary clarifications, as evident in his Responses, as well as his desire to remain faithful to the doctrine of the Church and the teaching of the Magisterium, they found that his book contained notable ambiguities and difficulties on important doctrinal points, which could lead a reader to erroneous or harmful opinions. These points concerned the interpretation of the sole and universal salvific mediation of Christ, the unicity and completeness of Christ’s revelation, the universal salvific action of the Holy Spirit, the orientation of all people to the Church, and the value and significance of the salvific function of other religions.

At the conclusion of the ordinary procedure of examination, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith decided to draft a Notification, intended to safeguard the doctrine of the Catholic faith from errors, ambiguities or harmful interpretations. This Notification, approved by the Holy Father in the Audience of November 24, 2000, was presented to Father Jacques Dupuis and was accepted by him. By signing the text, the author committed himself to assent to the stated theses and, in his future theological activity and publications, to hold the doctrinal contents indicated in the Notification, the text of which must be included in any reprinting or further editions of his book, as well as in all translations.

The present Notification is not meant as a judgment on the author’s subjective thought, but rather as a statement of the Church’s teaching on certain aspects of the above-mentioned doctrinal truths, and as a refutation of erroneous or harmful opinions, which, prescinding from the author’s intentions, could be derived from reading the ambiguous statements and insufficient explanations found in certain sections of the text. In this way, Catholic readers will be given solid criteria for judgment, consistent with the doctrine of the Church, in order to avoid the serious confusion and misunderstanding which could result from reading this book.

I. On the sole and universal salvific mediation of Jesus Christ

1. It must be firmly believed that Jesus Christ, the Son of God made man, crucified and risen, is the sole and universal mediator of salvation for all humanity.

2. It must also be firmly believed that Jesus of Nazareth, Son of Mary and only Saviour of the world, is the Son and Word of the Father. For the unity of the divine plan of salvation centred in Jesus Christ, it must also be held that the salvific action of the Word is accomplished in and through Jesus Christ, the Incarnate Son of the Father, as mediator of salvation for all humanity. It is therefore contrary to the Catholic faith not only to posit a separation between the Word and Jesus, or between the Word’s salvific activity and that of Jesus, but also to maintain that there is a salvific activity of the Word as such in his divinity, independent of the humanity of the Incarnate Word.

II. On the unicity and completeness of revelation of Jesus Christ

3. It must be firmly believed that Jesus Christ is the mediator, the fulfilment and the completeness of revelation. It is therefore contrary to the Catholic faith to maintain that revelation in Jesus Christ (or the revelation of Jesus Christ) is limited, incomplete or imperfect. Moreover, although full knowledge of divine revelation will be had only on the day of the Lord’s coming in glory, the historical revelation of Jesus Christ offers everything necessary for man’s salvation and has no need of completion by other religions.

4. It is consistent with Catholic doctrine to hold that the seeds of truth and goodness that exist in other religions are a certain participation in truths contained in the revelation of or in Jesus Christ. However, it is erroneous to hold that such elements of truth and goodness, or some of them, do not derive ultimately from the source-mediation of Jesus Christ.

III. On the universal salvific action of the Holy Spirit

5. The Church’s faith teaches that the Holy Spirit, working after the resurrection of Jesus Christ, is always the Spirit of Christ sent by the Father, who works in a salvific way in Christians as well as non-Christians. It is therefore contrary to the Catholic faith to hold that the salvific action of the Holy Spirit extends beyond the one universal salvific economy of the Incarnate Word.

IV. On the orientation of all human beings to the Church

6. It must be firmly believed that the Church is sign and instrument of salvation for all people. It is contrary to the Catholic faith to consider the different religions of the world as ways of salvation complementary to the Church.

7. According to Catholic doctrine, the followers of other religions are oriented to the Church and are all called to become part of her.

V. On the value and salvific function of the religious traditions

8. In accordance with Catholic doctrine, it must be held that «whatever the Spirit brings about in human hearts and in the history of peoples, in cultures and religions, serves as a preparation for the Gospel (cf. Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium, 16)». It is therefore legitimate to maintain that the Holy Spirit accomplishes salvation in non-Christians also through those elements of truth and goodness present in the various religions; however, to hold that these religions, considered as such, are ways of salvation, has no foundation in Catholic theology, also because they contain omissions, insufficiencies and errors regarding fundamental truths about God, man and the world.

Furthermore, the fact that the elements of truth and goodness present in the various world religions may prepare peoples and cultures to receive the salvific event of Jesus Christ does not imply that the sacred texts of these religions can be considered as complementary to the Old Testament, which is the immediate preparation for the Christ event.

The Sovereign Pontiff John Paul II, at the Audience of January 19, 2001, in the light of the further developments, confirmed the present Notification, which had been adopted in Ordinary Session of the Congregation, and ordered its publication.

Rome, from the Offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, January 24, 2001, the Memorial of Saint Francis de Sales.

Joseph Card. RATZINGER Prefect Tarcisio BERTONE, S.D.B. Archbishop Emeritus of Vercelli Secretary

National Catholic Reporter, Posted March 5, 2001

17 posted on 11/16/2003 9:12:01 AM PST by St.Chuck
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To: Land of the Irish
=== Father Dupuis also said that the purpose of dialogue is not to convert the non-Catholic but rather to help "the Christian to become a better Christian, and the Hindu a better Hindu".


How is it he's still a priest?

I pray our next Pope is a disciplinarian. All well and good for JPII to be a rock star and all but the namby-pamby happy-face nature of his papacy and his own curious actions -- his kissing the Koran speaking volumes -- are unsettling to say the least.
18 posted on 11/16/2003 11:21:00 AM PST by Askel5
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He basically states that the present day Catholic Church is a new religion

Of course it's new. It has a New Mass, a New Catechism, a New Bible, New Mysteries of the Rosary, etc.

19 posted on 11/16/2003 12:34:55 PM PST by Land of the Irish
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To: Land of the Irish
The new mass in the Latin rite is still the same Holy Sacrifice and Eucharist of the old one, going back to Holy Thursday itself. The Catechism reflects the unchanging truths of Scripture and Tradition, including authentic development of doctrine (not reversal of the deposit of faith!) found in the magisterial documents of Vatican II. There is no new Bible, just new translations. New mysteries of the Rosary are optional -- I personally don't like them because I don't think they mesh well with the weekly cycle, Joyful on Monday, Sorrowful on Tuesday, Glorious on Wednesday, etc.
20 posted on 11/16/2003 1:39:08 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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