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RECONSTRUCTION THEOLOGY AND HOME EDUCATION [Rushdoony, HSLDA, Gary North]
Houston Unschooling Group ^ | 1999 | Mary McCarthy

Posted on 11/17/2003 8:24:55 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine

Quote from Christian Reconstructionist, Gary North:

"The stranger in ancient Israel did not serve as a judge, although he received all the benefits of living in the land. The political question is this: By what biblical standard is the pagan to be granted the right to bring political sanctions against God's people? We recognize that unbelievers are not to vote in Church elections. Why should they be allowed to vote in civil elections in a covenanted Christian nation? Which judicial standards will they impose? By what other standard than the Bible?"
- Gary North of Institute For Christian Economics

BACKGROUND ON CHRISTIAN RECONSTRUCTIONISM

To more clearly understand the increasing divisiveness in homeschooling and the various leaders involvement in a political religion, it is necessary to become familiar with some of the facets of Christian theology and theocracy.

"Theocracy, the direct rule of a nation by God through divinely selected spokesmen, has many exemplars in the modern world. Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Iraq are nations with obvious theocratic tendencies. Israel's political parties exhibit growing theocratic patterns. In the United States, the Christian Reconstruction movement proposes the purest form of theocracy. Reconstructionism…believes that the law given for the political and legal ordering of ancient Israel is intended for all people at all times; therefore American is duty bound to install a political system based entirely on biblical law."

Reconstructionist theologian David Barton offered this definition: "The Christian goal for the world is the universal development of Biblical theocratic republics, in which every area of life is redeemed and placed under the Lordship of Jesus Christ and the rule of God's law."

The term 'dominion theology' comes from Genesis 1:26-28 of the Bible where God's purpose for man is stated: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth." So God created man in his own image…And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth." (RSV)

Sometimes termed 'dominion' or 'kingdom' theology, "dominionism revolves around the idea that Christians and Christians alone, are Biblically mandated to occupy all secular institutions until Christ returns. An earlier source of dominion theology was an evangelical philosopher named Francis Schaeffer…Schaeffer's 1981 book, A Christian Manifesto…remained one of the Christian Right's most important texts into the 1990's."

"Individuals from a wide variety of backgrounds and ecclesiastical communions are influenced by and committed to these ideals, from conservative Roman Catholics to Episcopalians to Presbyterians to Pentecostals, Arminian and Calvinist, charismatic and non-charismatic, high Church and low Church traditions are all represented in the broader umbrella of Reconstructionism, (often in the form of the 'Christian America' movement)."

Many of the leaders of the so-called hard or Christian Right are followers of the teachings of Rousas John Rushdoony. R.J. Rushdoony is the spiritual leader of Chalcedon Foundation, a California organization dedicated to Christian Reconstruction. According to the Foundation, a Christian Reconstructionist is a Calvinist, holding to the principles that God, not man, is the center of the universe and beyond; a Theonomist, believing that God's law is found in the Bible; a Presuppositionalist, believing that he holds to the Faith because the Bible says so and has no need to prove it; a Postmillennialist believing that Christ will return to earth only after the Holy Spirit has empowered the church to advance Christ's kingdom in time and history and a Dominionist taking seriously the Bible's commandment to the godly to take dominion in the earth. "The Christian Reconstructionist believes the earth and all it's fullness is the Lord's; that every area dominated by sin must be 'reconstructed' in terms of the Bible. This includes, first, the individual; second, the family; third, the church; and fourth, the wider society including the state."

The Dominion theology movement places Judeo-Christian biblical law above any and all constitutional law, including the U.S. Constitution. "Postmillienialists believe that righteous human beings, essentially servants of Christ, must achieve positions of influence in societies in order to prepare the world for the Messiah's return."

In his excellent 1996 book, With God on Our Side, William Martin used a sampling of the views of several noted Reconstructionists to give a sense of how a Reconstructed America would be: "The federal government would play no role in regulating business, public education, or welfare…[S]ome government would be visible at the level of counties…but citizens would be answerable to church authorities on most matters subject to regulation…income taxes would not exceed ten percent - the biblical tithe - and social security would disappear…[P]ublic schools would be abolished in favor of home-schooling arrangements, and families would operate on a strict patriarchal pattern. The only people permitted to vote would be members of 'biblically correct' churches. Most notably, a theonomic order would make homosexuality, adultery, blasphemy, propagation of false doctrine, and incorrigible behavior by disobedient children subject to the death penalty, preferably administered by stoning…a reconstructed America would have little room for Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, or even non-Reconstructionist Christians. 'The Christian', one Reconstructionist author has asserted, 'must realize that pluralism is a myth…R.J. Rushdoony, also regards pluralism as a heresy, since, in the name of toleration, the believer is asked to associate on a common level of total acceptance with the atheist, the pervert, the criminal, and the adherents of other religions."

Other noted Reconstructionists include Greg Bahnson, David Barton of WallBuilders, Inc., David Chilton, Gary DeMar of American Vision and Worldview Magazine; Ted DeMoss of Christian Business Men's Committee; Kenneth Gentry, Jay Grimstead of Coalition on Revival; James Kennedy of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church; Tim LaHaye of American Coalition for Traditional Values; Mrs. Connie Marshner of Free Congress Foundation; Rev. Joseph Morecraft; Gary North of Institute for Christian Economics; Mark Siljander of Global Strategies, Inc.; Randall Terry of Operation Rescue and Rev. Donald Wildmon of American Family Association. Dr. Kennedy, Rev. LaHaye, Mrs. Marshner, Mr. North, R.J. Rushdoony, and Rev. Wildmon are all members of the Council For National Policy.

"Whether it is acknowledged or not, Reconstructionism has profoundly influenced the Christian Right. Perhaps its most important role within the Christian Right can be traced to the formation in 1982 of the Coalition on Revival (COR)…Founded and headed by Dr. Jay Grimstead, COR has sought in this way to create a transdenominational theology…The COR leadership has significantly overlapped with the Christian Right, and has included: John Whitehead, Don Wildmon…Tim LaHaye and D. James Kennedy, Randall Terry…Steven Hotze, Rev. Glen Cole…Michael Farris…Robert Dugan…Bill Dannemeyer…Mark Siljander…R.J. Rushdoony, Gary North, Joseph Moorecraft, David Chilton, Gary DeMar… and Rus Walton."

CHRISTIAN RECONSTRUCTIONISM AND HOMESCHOOLING

It is difficult for secular homeschoolers to understand the apparent double standard when Christian homeschoolers are discriminatory against them at the local support group level, while at the same time, courting their efforts when it comes to state or national political causes. Understanding Reconstructionist Theology and Theocracy is important because it reflects understanding on the division in the homeschooling community between secular and religious members, and the theocratic motivations of politically manipulating the community.

Gary North declared, "All long-term social change comes from the successful efforts of one or another struggling organizations to capture the minds of a hard core of future leaders."

Reconstructionists believe that Christian schools and the homeschooling movement are the key to capturing those minds. Joseph Moorecraft said in 1987, that the Reconstruction movement was made up of a small number but expected a massive acceleration in 25 to 30 years 'when those kids that are now in Christian schools have graduated and taken their places in American society, and moved into places of influence and power.'

It's interesting to note that Reconstructionist Jay Rogers wrote, " A little known fact: R. J Rushdoony, aside from being the founder of Christian Reconstruction, is also the founder of the modern home schooling movement. Most people who deride the Reconstructionist movement for being 'too political' don't realize that." This declaration completely ignores the work of secular writers, such as John Holt, who promoted homeschooling as an alternative in the 1970's and '80's.

When it comes to politics, the principles are simple: "The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant--baptism and Holy Communion--must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel."

"Gary North claims that 'the ideas of the Reconstructionists have penetrated into Protestant circles that for the most part are unaware of the original source of the theological ideas that are beginning to transform them.' North describes the 'three major legs of the Reconstructionist movement' as 'the Presbyterian oriented educators, the Baptist school headmasters and pastors, and the charismatic telecommunications system.' What this means is that hundreds of thousands of Pentecostals and charismatic Christians, as well as many fundamentalist Baptists, have moved out of the apolitical camp. Many have thrown themselves into political work - not merely as voters, but as ideologically driven activists, bringing a reconstructed 'Biblical world view' to bear on their area of activism."

The Home School Legal Defense Association/Foundation has many links to Reconstructionism. In his well-researched 1995 book, Home Schooling: The Right Choice, HSLDA attorney Christopher Klicka frequently quotes Reconstructionst writers, notably Rushdoony and Barton. In addition to including Rushdoony's "The Difference Between Christian Education and Humanistic Education", the book's forward was written by D. James Kennedy and many of the ideals expressed seem Reconstructionist, however, he does not state specifically that he is a Reconstructionist.

The relationship between President Michael Farris of HSLDA and Tim and Beverly LaHaye goes back to the early 1980's when Michael Farris was head of the legal department of Concerned Women for America. Tim LaHaye was attempting to start a television ministry that failed. In 1983 he started the American Coalition for Traditional Values which was similar to the now defunct Moral Majority, its goal being to mobilize Christians to register and vote. Some accounts indicate Michael Farris was deeply involved with ACTV while others do not mention his involvement. ACTV closed down shortly after the 1986 elections. Tim LaHaye withdrew from his television ministry when it was publicized that his church was funding an anti-Catholic group. In 1985 he further withdrew after it became known that CWA had accepted 'generous help' from the Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church which teaches the divinity of the Rev. Moon in direct conflict with Christian teachings. In 1987 Rev. LaHaye was forced to resign as co-chair from Jack Kemp's presidential campaign because newspapers printed divisive passages from his writings, which were anti-catholic and anti-Semetic.

The New York Times profiled Michael Farris' campaign for Lt. Governor of Virginia as part of a series of articles about Christians in politics. It is noted that Michael Farris' name appeared as a co-author of a policy paper by Jay Grimstead's "Coalition on Revival, which has called for the United States to reclaim itself as a 'Christian nation.' (Farris says that he only worked on an early draft of the document and that the organization included his name without his permission.)"

Farris's name appears among ninety-seven Christian intellectuals who signed the Coalition for Revival's 1986 'manifesto' which declares, "We believe America can be turned around and once again function as a

Christian nation as it did in it's earlier years. The document lists Farris and…Virginia C. Armstrong as co-authors of the section entitled 'The Christian World View of the Law,' which states, 'We affirm that a society must inevitably choose between conflicting legal foundations and views of law and should choose Christian views and a Christian foundation because the Christian system is vastly superior to all alternatives." Farris denies ever signing the document or co-writing the section on a Christian view of the law although Armstrong recalls that she and Farris wrote different parts of the section and "he certainly seemed to be in general agreement" of the finished version.

Michael Farris, in his 1992 book, Where Do I Draw The Line?, addressed Reconstructionism. He quotes Francis Shaeffer's Christian Manifesto to explain our nation's slide into its current cultural condition but he also takes an opportunity to note that, "there are those who advocate the idea that America should enact the Old Testament law right down to the rules for conducting trials. I am not one of those people but I do believe the moral principles of God apply to every age."

However, when discussing classical education in The Future of Home Schooling, he recommends as "one of the best programs I have seen that offers a clearly Christian classical education is David Quine's World Views of the Western World…World Views is a three-year program that is built largely around the works of Francis Schaeffer. Students still read Homer, Socrates and Machiavelli. But these are balanced not only by Schaeffer's works, but also by St. Augustine, Luther and Calvin."

As homeschoolers we should be very careful not to assign guilt by association. It is probable that some of the individuals involved in homeschooling and/or HSLDA are Reconstructionists, while others who associate with them are not. Prominent Reconstructionists are often given a forum to advance their cause at HSLDA conferences but it is unknown whether HSLDA itself is a Reconstructionist organization. HSLDA has ties to the Reconstructionist movement through former employees such as attorney Doug Phillips, the son of prominent Reconstructionist Howard Phillips, founder of the U.S. Taxpayers Party and HSLDA founder James Carden who was instrumental in introducing the concept of home schooling to Bill Gothard of Advanced Training Institute of America, himself a prominent Reconstructionist. Carden was among the 100 families who piloted the ATIA program in 1984/85. Board member Jeff Ethell may have been influenced by Reconstruction ideas while a student at Westminster Seminary in Philadelphia, where noted Reconstructionist Cornelius Van Til taught for nearly 50 years. In his 1959 book, R.J. Rushdoony lavishly praised Van Til's philosophy and the influence it had on him.

Christopher Klicka attended Regent University where 'longtime Dean of the Law School, Herb Titus…used Rushoony's book in his introductory law course… "Christopher Klicka, who has been deeply influenced by R.J. Rushdoony, writes: 'Sending our children to the public school violates nearly every Biblical principle…It is tantamount to sending our children to be trained by the enemy'…Klicka also advocates religious selfsegregation and advises Christians not to affiliate with non-Christian homeschoolers in any way. 'The differences I am talking about…have resulted in wars and martyrdom in the not too distant past.' According to Klicka, who is an attorney with the Home School Legal Defense Association, 'as an organization, and as individuals, we are committed to promote the cause of Christ and his Kingdom."

Former HSLDA employee Inge Cannon was previously employed by Bill Gothard's Institute of Basic Life Principles where she was involved with the development of ATIA's homeschool curriculum. Several of HSLDA's interns come from or plan to attend Oak Brook College of Law and Government Policy which is part of Bill Gothard's ATIA. Also, Tim LaHaye, considered to be a prominent Reconstructionist, is associated with Michael Farris' political action committee, Madison Project Fund Inc., as well as having ties to him through Concerned Women for America. Many of the ideals, particularly exclusivism and selfsegregation as promoted by prominent Christian homeschooling leaders like Christopher Klicka and Gregg Harris, are Reconstructionist in nature. As homeschoolers we must be careful when examining the religious motivations of our fellow homeschoolers not to attach labels which may not be appropriate. However, it would be more honest of HSLDA and others to define their belief status when placing themselves in positions of moral authority over homeschoolers, who are perhaps of other, contrary, beliefs.

NOTES:

1 Gary North, "Westminster's Confession: The Abandonment of Van Til's Legacy", Tyler, TX: Institute for Christian Economics, 1991, p. 227.

2 Derek H. Davis, "Religious Pluralism and the Quest for Unity in American Life", Journal of Church & State, Spring 1994, Vol. 36, Issue 2, page 245.

3 Frederick Clarkson, "Theocratic Dominionism Gains Influence", The Public Eye, March and June 1994.

4 Sara Diamond, Roads to Dominion, Guilford Press, 1995, page 246.

5 J. Ligon Duncan III, Moses' Law for Modern Government: The Intellectual and Sociological Origins of the Christian Reconstructionist Movement, Atlanta Georgia, October 15, 1994.

6 Rev. Andrew Sandlin, "The Creed of Christian Reconstruction", Chalcedon Foundation, (http://www.chalcedon.edu/creed.html.)

7 Alec Foege, The Empire God Built - Inside Pat Robertson's Media Machine, (New York: John Wiley & Sons, 1996), page 176.

8 William Martin, With God On Our Side, (New York: Broadway Books, 1996), page 353-354.

9 PRO-S.O.C.S. (Separation of Church and State), "The Righteous Revolution: Could there be a theocracy in America's future?", 1996.

10 Sara Diamond, "Dominion Theology: The Truth About the Christian Right's Bid for Power".

11 "Council For National Policy Membership List", Institute for First Amendment Studies.

12 Frederick Clarkson, "Theocratic Dominionism Gains Influence", The Public Eye, March and June 1994.

13 Ibid.

14 Jay Rogers, What is Theonomy?, ww.forerunner.com/theofaq.html, no date. Theonomy means "God's law".

15 Gary North, Political Polytheism: The Myth of Pluralism (Tyler, TX: Institute for Christian Economics, 1989), p. 87.

16 Frederick Clarkson, "Theocratic Dominionism Gains Influence," The Public Eye, March and June 1994.

17 Stephen Bates, Battleground, New York: Henry Holt, 1993, page 105.

18 William Martin, With God On Our Side, New York: Broadway Books, 1996, page 270.

19 Stephen Bates, op. cit.

20 Leslie Kaufman, "Life Beyond God," New York Times Magazine, October 16, 1994.

21 Michael Farris, Where Do I Draw The Line?, Minnesota: Bethany House, 1992, page 15.

22 Rozell and Wilcox Second Coming The New Christian Right in Virginia Politics, Baltimore MD: Johns Hopkins University Press, 1996, page 100-101.

23 Where do I Draw The Line? Op cit, page 25.

24 Michael Farris, The Future of Home Schooling, Washington D.C.: Regnery Publishing, 1997, page 16.

25 "In Memoriam", Home School Court Report, Vol. 13, No. 3, May/June 97, page 10.

26 Bruce Barron, Heaven On Earth? The Social and Political Agenda of Dominion Theology, Grand Rapids MI: Zondervan, 1992, pages 37, 39.

27 Frederick Clarkson:, Theocratic Dominionism Gains Influence, Part 3: No Longer Without Sheep.

© 1999 Mary H. McCarthy
Home School Legal Research Alliance


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To: Catspaw; ckca; Boxsford
This article is puke.

It's only after patiently enduring so many puke attacks that someone steps in and calls it like it is.

101 posted on 11/17/2003 2:55:31 PM PST by Law
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To: Law
You're mistaken. This thread was designed to be a hit piece on conservative Christians. That's why from the very beginning the main posters don't discuss the article's contents but rather attack Christians.

It's only after attacks like this that Christians such as ckca return fire.

Thank you. Too bad reason is wasted on these anti-Christian goons.

102 posted on 11/17/2003 2:55:57 PM PST by ckca
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To: Catspaw
Everyone's gonna look at me, go "There's a JOOOOOO...." and rush me. :o)

See??? Told ya. ;^)

103 posted on 11/17/2003 2:59:35 PM PST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY SCARING FELLOW FREEPERS SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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To: Catspaw; ckca
Another reason we know this thread was designed primarily to attack and bait conservative Christians is that the thread was posted not in the religion forum, where the most indepth and vigorous discusions of religious articles take place, but in News/Activism, even though it's not news (the article is from 1999) and there's no action for current Freepers.

If this were an isolated incident, one should judge it as a mistake, but as it's part of pattern of such old articles being posted in the News/Activism thread, we must give credit to the poster for deliberate rather than accidental placement.

104 posted on 11/17/2003 3:07:05 PM PST by Law
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To: Law
If you had followed my link rather than just spewing, you'd see that Moore's attorneys, if you compare the article and Moore's lawyers filings prior to his removal as chief justice, appear to be word for word from the Chalcedon article,, at least when it comes to comparing William Pryor and Nazi judges, and Pryor's position on Roe v. Wade.  If I'd like to be able to compare the article from Chalcedon with the complete pleadings of Moore's lawyers, but according to the al.com article, Moore's lawyers are quoted as saying this in the Mobile Register:
 

"He probably does not realize it, but Attorney General Pryor shares the jurisprudence of the German judges put on trial at Nuremberg," the chief justice's attorneys wrote in their brief. "... The judges in Germany swore an oath similar to the one taken by the German military" and "... argued that they were simply following the law of obeying orders of higher officials. This is the position (Pryor) has taken with respect to Roe v. Wade."

The Chalcedon article says this:

He probably does not realize it, but Attorney General Pryor shares the jurisprudence of the German judges put on trial at Nuremberg in the case of U. S. v. Alstoetter, a trial made famous in the Hollywood production Judgment at Nuremberg. The judges in Germany swore an oath similar to the one taken by the German military: “I swear by God this sacred oath, that I will render unconditional obedience to Adolf Hitler, the Fuehrer of the German Reich and people, Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces …” The German judges defended their actions in enforcing unjust “laws” and of convicting and even sentencing men and women to death who were innocent of wrongdoing or guilty of only minor wrongs. The German judges argued that they were simply following the law of obeying orders of higher officials. Their actions, they argued, were therefore justified. This is the position that Attorney General Pryor has taken with respect to Roe v. Wade. He has promised to withhold the protection of law from thousands of innocent unborn children until the “law” changes. He doesn’t seem to see that Roe v. Wade is an act of lawlessness. It is not law. Compare that to the situation that the Alstoetter court noted existed in Germany: “[T]he dagger of the assassin was concealed beneath the robe of the jurist.”

If you have a link to the brief Moore's lawyers filed, I'd appreciate it, but it does appear they used the exact wording and phraseology from the Chalcedon article in their brief.  I'm just curious if they quoted the entire article, took parts of the article verbatim, reworded it as a legal pleading or some other variation or combination.  The quotes I've highlighted in red appear that Moore's lawyers did quote the Chalcedon article.

105 posted on 11/17/2003 3:09:04 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: malakhi
All that warmth and Christian charity wafts off this thread. If I weren't a Christian but was looking into it, I'd definitely look with favor on being a reconstructionist after seeing this example.

We're at T+7 on posting the article, and I've not yet seen anyone put up a fact which shows that reconstructionists don't actually believe what their pastors and theologians say they believe.

106 posted on 11/17/2003 3:10:16 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; ckca; Jim Robinson
Dear OPH,

I thought you were an attorney. Don't they still teach logic in law school?

Do you really want to tie yourself to this piece of crap?

"Individuals from a wide variety of backgrounds and ecclesiastical communions are influenced by and committed to these ideals, from conservative Roman Catholics to Episcopalians to Presbyterians to Pentecostals, Arminian and Calvinist, charismatic and non-charismatic, high Church and low Church traditions are all represented in the broader umbrella of Reconstructionism, (often in the form of the 'Christian America' movement)."

Reconstructionism doesn't work for Catholics. You will not find faithful, devout, orthodox Catholics who are "influenced by AND committed to these ideals..."

Of course, the irony is, the article points out that some of the folks allegedly involved in Reconstructionism are anti-Catholic. Yet the article alleges that conservative Catholics believe in this drek. LOL.

"It is difficult for secular homeschoolers to understand the apparent double standard when Christian homeschoolers are discriminatory against them at the local support group level, while at the same time, courting their efforts when it comes to state or national political causes. Understanding Reconstructionist Theology and Theocracy is important because it reflects understanding on the division in the homeschooling community between secular and religious members, and the theocratic motivations of politically manipulating the community."

This is an even bigger load of crap. An intelligent individual would be embarrassed to have posted this.

As a religious homeschooler, who belongs to a number of homeschooling organizations, including HSLDA, and various religious and secular homeschooling groups, I can tell you that this is just pure bs. I know many secular homeschoolers. They don't seem to exhibit any feeling that we evil awful religious homeschoolers are discriminatory against them.

And of course, understanding Reconstructionism has nothing to do with understanding the overwhelming majority of religious homeschoolers, since the overwhelming majority of us aren't actually Reconstructionists.

"The Home School Legal Defense Association/Foundation has many links to Reconstructionism."

Oh puh-leeze. HSLDA is one of the most important homeschool organizations in the country. Your logical turd comes out like this:

- there are Reconstructionists who have worked for or who currently work for HSLDA;

- thus, HSLDA is a Reconstructionist group;

- and therefore, anyone associated with HSLDA is a Reconstructionist.

Barbra Streisand Barbra Streisand Barbra Streisand.

First, not all the folks named as Reconstructionists are actually Reconstructionists.

Second, many of these folks are also registered Republicans as well. By the (pseudo)logic of this author, then the Republican Party is Reconstructionist.

Third, the purpose of the HSLDA doesn't have anything to do with Reconstructionism. The purpose of the HSLDA is to give legal protection to homeschoolers from rapacious state and local governments.

I'm a proud member of HSLDA and I'm not a Reconstructionist. HSLDA is valuable to us because it keeps us up to date on the changing legal environment in our state, because it goes to bat for us when the state tries to harm us through new and regressive laws, rules, and interpretations thereof, because it gives us a central clearing house and rallying point by which we can take grassroots action when the state tries to harm us, and because HSLDA will represent me personally should the state try to persecute me and my homeschooling family.


Bottom line - this is a poorly done, hysterical hatchet job trying to smear Christian homeschoolers by trying to tie us to a small minority of folks, some of whom actually homeschooling. It is anti-Christian and anti-homeschool.

It shocks me that the owner of the site would allow such a vile, ill-willed, vicious, false piece of anti-Christian, anti-homeschooling piece of propaganda to stand. Or permit the original poster to continue to post here at FR.


sitetest
107 posted on 11/17/2003 3:11:46 PM PST by sitetest (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle.)
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To: Law
So the question remains: why is it OK for CP to mock, insult, and abuse conservative Christians here on Free Republic? Why are posts pointing out his own sordid background pulled while his abuse of a large percentage of all FReepers is permitted?

Any DU troll newbie would be banned for his kind of continuous abusive behavior.

108 posted on 11/17/2003 3:11:49 PM PST by ckca
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To: Law
The posting was to news/activism because these folks have been flexing muscles in politics.

Unless you don't think that is important.

109 posted on 11/17/2003 3:12:06 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: ckca
So refute the article, if you can.
110 posted on 11/17/2003 3:12:49 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
After casually skimming this article, it appears to be saying that all of these people are trying to bring back Christian ethics and morals in our goverment and in our country. What's wrong with that?
111 posted on 11/17/2003 3:14:59 PM PST by irishtenor (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati ............(When all else fails, play dead))
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To: sitetest; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; tpaine
Bottom line - this is a poorly done, hysterical hatchet job trying to smear Christian homeschoolers by trying to tie us to a small minority of folks, some of whom actually homeschooling. It is anti-Christian and anti-homeschool.

It shocks me that the owner of the site would allow such a vile, ill-willed, vicious, false piece of anti-Christian, anti-homeschooling piece of propaganda to stand. Or permit the original poster to continue to post here at FR.

Why no comment, Mr. Robinson?

Why is this one individual FReeper permitted to continue his frequent abuse and insult towards a majority of Free Republic users and donors?

112 posted on 11/17/2003 3:15:22 PM PST by ckca
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To: ckca
Hey, leave me out of this. I'm not interested in the least.
113 posted on 11/17/2003 3:16:11 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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To: RnMomof7
Some may say, "well, this list only shows what churches these men were members of, it doesn't show what they believed." Which is a veiled way of suggesting that these men were liars when they swore to God to adopt the confessions of their churches

Exactly. Most men of quality at the time professed Christianity because they felt it was a good way to control the behavior of the masses that they never dreamed would get the vote. They certainly were too well educated in the Enlightenment to believe it.

They were largely of a mind with Voltaire, a man none would seriously claim was a christian, yet he kept a priest on the payroll at his estates, had him at table, attended mass regularly and was buried in hallowed ground.

It was Noblesse Oblige applied to the Noble of Mind rather than the Noble by Birth.

So9

114 posted on 11/17/2003 3:17:40 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (A Goldwater Republican)
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To: Precisian
Here's an easy refutation. Tim LaHaye is emphatically not a "Reconstructionist".

To amplify, Tim LaHaye can't be a reconstructionist because his Left Behind book series, which he designed in part as a tool for evangelism, depicts a world at the end of time in which Christians are a marginalized minority. Reconstructionists, by contrast, believe the church will be strong worldwide before the end.

115 posted on 11/17/2003 3:18:02 PM PST by Law
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To: sitetest
Reconstructionism doesn't work for Catholics. You will not find faithful, devout, orthodox Catholics who are "influenced by AND committed to these ideals..."

I've seen some Catholics on FR advocate many of the same things. They wouldn't get along with the Reconstructionists because each considers the other to be heretical, but the mindset is the same.

116 posted on 11/17/2003 3:22:09 PM PST by malakhi (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
There's nothing to refute. Yes there are some marginal, irrelevant folks on the periphery of any religion, who in no way represent the mainstream or even minority views. So yes, your article is true in that just like all religions there are some marginal, irrelevant folks on the periphery of Christianity that are a bit kooky.

You however are attempting to paint all of Christianity with this marginal, irrelevant nonsense, and I'm not going to tolerate it or allow it to go unanswered.

Knock it off.

Better yet, leave the Forum, for you obviously have absolutely NOTHING in common with the conservatives on this Forum, and your sole intent is to bait, insult, and abuse real Christians.

117 posted on 11/17/2003 3:22:32 PM PST by ckca
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To: Jim Robinson
I don't really care whether you are interested! I didn't ask whether you are interested.

I asked, Why are you permitting this TRASH on your website? Why are you permitting CP to insult and abuse the majority of your donors and users, when you would not tolerate this from anyone else?

118 posted on 11/17/2003 3:25:45 PM PST by ckca
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To: Precisian; Chancellor Palpatine
Nowhere in any "Reconstructionist" literature does anyone advocate anything but complete legal, open-ballot, judicially sustained voting.

This is the key reason all the fear mongering is misplaced and the charges against these people and groups are so dishonorable.

119 posted on 11/17/2003 3:28:01 PM PST by Law
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To: ckca
Haven't read it and don't intend to. Ever thought of just ignoring stuff you're not interested in?
120 posted on 11/17/2003 3:31:32 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)
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