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To: AnAmericanMother; Gamecock; CARepubGal; xzins; A.J.Armitage
If this is happening in your new parish, you need to find yourself another church immediately.

But not before you tell everyone involved with this blasphemy the reasons for your departure.

Those who would encourage this garbage in a church are damned.

The writer of the article says he endured this homosexual assault on his family's spiritual well-being for six years!!!

It shouldn't take a sincere Christian more than a few Sunday mornings to discern that the pulpit has been usurped by vipers.

The more we tolerate this abomination, the bolder it becomes.

If you can't beat 'em, flee 'em.

28 posted on 11/18/2003 11:49:04 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I disagree. It isn't always as easy as you think to discern what's going on until you have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

These people are deliberately setting out to infiltrate a congregation. They conceal their agenda, hold secret meetings, and cloak their actions in innocuous-sounding language. And Episcopalians are polite to a fault - they don't want to offend people.

Of course, with the "new look" in political action (and you see it with the Democrat party on the national scale too) politeness and 75 cents will get you a cup of coffee. Maybe. So it's time for Episcopalians to shed their traditional politesse and take a stand.

31 posted on 11/19/2003 4:42:15 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . sed, ut scis, quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?. . .)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
You wrote "The writer of the article says he endured this homosexual assault on his family's spiritual well-being for six years!!!
It shouldn't take a sincere Christian more than a few Sunday mornings to discern that the pulpit has been usurped by vipers.
The more we tolerate this abomination, the bolder it becomes.
If you can't beat 'em, flee 'em."

You make some interesting observations - certainly we are to immediately flee the temptation to sexual sin, but that doesn't appear to be the case here. I would submit that it is perhaps an over simplification of the issue to tell people to simply run away, *if* they haven't first done everything they could to see if there are enough motivated conservative members of the parish to reverse what has occurred. This would be especially true in the case of someone who was deeply involved in the life of the parish.

Should he have continued to try for six years? that's a rough one to call without knowing more information concerning the over all composition of the parish in question. As has been noted here and on other similar threads, a problem not readily observable to non-Anglicans has been the ongoing issue of the Anglican tradition of attempting to be nice to folks, even in disagreement. What has been very difficult (indeed sometimes impossible) to communicate to some conservatives is that we are required to be confrontational, even directly confrontational, if a person's *actions are* heretical, regardless of whether they still say the right words.

If nothing else comes of all this, at the very least it is my hope (and the hope of many of us) that the Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians and so on who are also beginning to face these issues directly will go into them being more aware of the need to confront the heretics early and often...it certainly would have saved a lot of grief now, had our folks done so 20 - 30 years ago.
37 posted on 11/19/2003 9:21:01 AM PST by ahadams2 (Anglican Freeper Resource Page: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican/)
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