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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
"Actually, "after Peter's death" is not in the cards here, as the usage of burial cave in question is dated prior to AD70 -- not thereafter"

Two little facts that you "overlook".

(1). As I have shown, there were clearly a great many other 'Simons' who lived and died in Jerusalem during St. Peter's generation. Mary was the most common female name of all, Lazarus was such a common name that Jesus used it in His parable of the rich man, (Luke 16), and Martha was also a very common Hebrew/Aramaic name that meant "Lady". Cemetaries at the time of the Apostles were literally chock full of these names. It would be like modern cemetaries containing tombstones with the epitaph "Here Lies Bill", or "Here Lies Jane". Your pale little case could not even withstand the legal standard of "reasonable doubt", let alone the infinitely clearer proof required to controvert the writings of so many early historians, bishops and saints.

(2). At least five Early Church Fathers, historians and Bishops wrote of Peter's death in Rome. Testimony of his martyrdom in Rome is extensive, including writings by Origen, Eusebius of Caesarea, St. Clement I of Rome, St. Ignatius, and St. Irenaeus.

Now, whom do we believe, the writings of the early Christian historians and Saints, or a man whose "orthodoxy" is from a 'church' that blesses homosexual unions in formal ceremonies and call the abomination of sodomite activity "Holy Unions"? I'm curious to know how much Mr OrthodoxPresbytarian's loafers weigh. :o)

45 posted on 11/23/2003 2:17:07 PM PST by TheCrusader
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To: TheCrusader
At least five Early Church Fathers, historians and Bishops wrote of Peter's death in Rome. Testimony of his martyrdom in Rome is extensive, including writings by Origen, Eusebius of Caesarea, St. Clement I of Rome, St. Ignatius, and St. Irenaeus.

Let’s take a look at the Fathers whom you mention:

First Century

Second CenturyThird & Fourth Centuries

So we can see that a century-and-a-half or two after the fact a tradition began to develop to support the claim that Peter was martyred in Rome, but the development of a tradition a couple hundred years after the events is not really very sound evidence for the accuracy of the claim.

On the other hand, we have testimony in stone, from the first century AD, that Simon bar Jonah was buried near Jerusalem, along with Mary, Martha, and Lazarus, in a cemetery for Jewish Christians. Now, it may be claimed that this is not the “Simon bar Jonah” and not the “Mary, Martha, and Lazarus”, but the fact remains that as evidence for the claim it is much earlier and much more concrete (bad pun, sorry) than the traditions claimed as evidence by Roman Catholicism.

Now, whom do we believe, the writings of the early Christian historians and Saints, or a man whose "orthodoxy" is from a 'church' that blesses homosexual unions in formal ceremonies and call the abomination of sodomite activity "Holy Unions"? I'm curious to know how much Mr OrthodoxPresbytarian's loafers weigh. :o)

Would you care to back up your claim that the Orthodox Presbyterian Church blesses sodomitic partnerships in formal ceremonies as “holy unions”? As a member in good and regular standing, I’m sure that if our General Assembly had passed any such church laws, I’d know about it. Obviously, if you are unable to present any evidence for your claim, I’ll have to insist on demanding a retraction and an apology for the slander.

That said, I’ll be a bigger man than stoop to the level of responding to your (false) accusations by discussing at length the (true) widespread sodomitic perversions of the Romish priesthood.

best, OP

62 posted on 11/24/2003 3:20:26 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty)
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