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To: Gamecock
Your logic is flawed. You say, "As a Calvinist, I cannot drive anyone away." (As if I could, just because I'm not.) If Calvinism is false, then the fact that you're a Calvinist matters naught. So the proper way to say it is, "If Calvinism is true, I cannot drive anyone away."

And that brings me to the point: are you really that sure that Calvinism is 100% correct? Any doctrine constructed by humans is likely to be flawed somehow. I know, I know, you say it wasn't constructed by humans, it was constructed by God. But we humans had to discover the doctrine from Scripture. And we see through the glass darkly, my friend.

It seems therefore worthwhile to live out the Great Commission under the assumption that we do not fully understand the nature of free will, predestination, and election.

13 posted on 12/01/2003 8:24:54 AM PST by mcg1969
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To: mcg1969
Paul teaches Calvinism, so does Christ, John, as a matter of fact, the totality of scripture teaches Calvinism.

I believe scripture.

Do you have a problem with the inerrancy of scripture? If you have an issue with scripture, you have a bigger problem than you lack of understanding of Calvinism.

If you don't have a problem with inerrancy, why not reread the Bible from front to back and we'll meet back here and discuss it. I'll give you a year.
14 posted on 12/01/2003 8:32:20 AM PST by Gamecock (Paul was a Calvinist)
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To: mcg1969
But we humans had to discover the doctrine from Scripture. And we see through the glass darkly, my friend.

Oh, BTW: Titus 1:9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

You are opposing sound doctrine my friend.

15 posted on 12/01/2003 8:36:00 AM PST by Gamecock (Paul was a Calvinist)
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To: mcg1969
Your reply to Gamecock: And that brings me to the point: are you really that sure that Calvinism is 100% correct? Any doctrine constructed by humans is likely to be flawed somehow. I know, I know, you say it wasn't constructed by humans, it was constructed by God. But we humans had to discover the doctrine from Scripture. And we see through the glass darkly, my friend.

You might find it interesting that the FR Calvinist swarm claims that Calvinism encompasses a range of differing beliefs and is not a monolithic set of doctrinal precepts.

You will also note that the swarm equates Calvinism, at least as they individually perceive it, with the Gospel message of the Bible; even to the point of claiming that Calvinism is the Gospel.

Some of the swarm are so arrogant as to claim that even the Calvinist Charles Spurgeon was wrong about predestination.

17 posted on 12/01/2003 9:41:39 AM PST by connectthedots
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